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Author Topic: Are Arlington's Days Numbered?  (Read 3424 times)
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2010, 10:06:50 AM »

LOL.

1. LIVE On track handle UP 55% from 5.6 Million to 8.7 Million
2. Simo handle is UP 141%
3. Attendance is UP 21%
4. Number of horse racing is UP 46%



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Are these RAW numbers or averages.
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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2010, 11:28:15 AM »

LOL.

1. LIVE On track handle UP 55% from 5.6 Million to 8.7 Million
2. Simo handle is UP 141%
3. Attendance is UP 21%
4. Number of horse racing is UP 46%

Anyone from CD or Arlington would slit their wrist for those numbers.

If they wanted to run 3 days a week, for a very short season. Once again, let's wait and look at the TOTAL at the end. How much TOTAL wagering on New Jersey thoroughbred racing for the year.

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The Monmouth Model is clearly working.

Not yet earning their purses, however. Subsidized out the ying yang.

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state will subsidize purses at monmouth for next year.

We'll see about that. Not to mention the likely loss of any casino money. I don't think purse levels will be the same next season.
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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2010, 11:47:09 AM »


1. LIVE On track handle UP 55% from 5.6 Million to 8.7 Million
2. Simo handle is UP 141%
3. Attendance is UP 21%
4. Number of horse racing is UP 46%

Anyone from CD or Arlington would slit their wrist for those numbers.

The Monmouth Model is clearly working.


Are these the accurate figures? If they are I am very impressed and I would have to say the Monmouth Model is working quite well. Are the numbers being sustained throughout the meet, or has there been a decline as the meet progresses? In any event, anyone would be impressed with these figures.
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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2010, 12:48:21 PM »

In any event, anyone would be impressed with these figures.

Only if "anyone" only took a cursory glance, and said, "Hey, more! And more is better!", would they be impressed. I'm not.

There are two problems, that I and others have mentioned:

1. While the handle is higher, it isn't high enough to replace the purse money that is being dished out.

To which you say, yeah, sure -- but they are getting $18 million in free money from the casinos, so it doesn't matter.

Which leads to problem #2: No more free casino money after this year.
 
So where is the money going to come from to keep the purses where they are now, with handle that doesn't generate enough purse money to sustain $1 million per day in purses, and the casino subsidy gone?

That's the rub, the reason some of us aren't so impressed about the long-term chances of this experiment; without a new, renewable source of money for purses, this dates / purse structure is short about $15 million next year. Looks like a "one-and-done", unless money starts falling out of the Jersey skies.
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2010, 01:42:56 PM »

Here's the link from today's Newark Star-Ledger (front page)

http://mobile.nj.com/advnj/db_96601/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=EBE1319E18272060A0594AEA5884B03F?contentguid=dxFDzoYl&detailindex=2&pn=0&ps=5&full=true#display

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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2010, 02:02:39 PM »


I'm having some trouble with these numbers, most notably the one about field size. According to the article, the comparative data is between "the first 11 racing dates this year when held into comparison to the 27 dates at the same juncture in 2009"

So, when the writer states "the number of horses running the field has also increased 46 percent from 811 horses in 09 to 1,186 this summer," that would translate to - according to the criteria laid out - 30.03 horses running per date in 2009 (811 horses /27 dates).

I'll be the first to admit that I didn't follow Monmouth in 2009, but I'm quite sure they had more than 30 horses running each day.

Sounds to me like the writer was buying what the track rep. was selling, and that calls the whole piece in question - at least in my eyes.
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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2010, 05:23:01 PM »

I'm having some trouble with these numbers, most notably the one about field size. According to the article, the comparative data is between "the first 11 racing dates this year when held into comparison to the 27 dates at the same juncture in 2009"

So, when the writer states "the number of horses running the field has also increased 46 percent from 811 horses in 09 to 1,186 this summer," that would translate to - according to the criteria laid out - 30.03 horses running per date in 2009 (811 horses /27 dates).

I'll be the first to admit that I didn't follow Monmouth in 2009, but I'm quite sure they had more than 30 horses running each day.

Sounds to me like the writer was buying what the track rep. was selling, and that calls the whole piece in question - at least in my eyes.

I am pretty sure they are comparing the first 11 days at Monmouth 2009 (73 horses per card) vs the first 11 days of the 2010 meet (108). But I agree its a pretty lame comparision. but as far as the rest of the piece I do believe Handle is way up.
They averaged 16 Million a week a year ago (5 day weeks) vs 21-22 million a week this year. (3 day weeks). Looks like the total handle is up around 40%.

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« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2010, 06:29:58 AM »

Arlington's solution? Saturday was the recipe. Great weather, large fields, big crowd. Bottle that up, and everybody will be fine.
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« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2010, 09:32:56 AM »

Anybody know how the handle was ? It was the perfect day.
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« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2010, 11:11:13 AM »

Anybody know how the handle was ? It was the perfect day.

I came up with $4,158,000, which is a little disappointing considering the beautiful weather and little competition from other "big day" cards at other tracks, and almost no special local entertainment to take the wind out of AP's sails.

Face it, people just aren't supporting the local racing product that much.
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2010, 11:44:01 AM »

They're saving all their money for today.
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« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2010, 12:58:22 PM »

 As strange as it may sound, the success of the Blackhawks has hurt other sports venues in town.  Running opposite to Churchill certainly hurts Arlington's horse population.  
I think Dan hit on something here, it's not the Blackhawks as much as it is the overall competition.  Balckhawks, Cubs, Sox, Bears, Fire, Rush, World Cup, Casinos, Lottery, Netflix, Internet it all is competiton either for sports or gambling to horse racing in general.   

For racing to survive it will have to evolve.  How it morphs and what it changes into is yet to be seen.  I applaud Monmouth for the courage to start a change which may or may not be a solution. 
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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2010, 02:00:56 PM »

AP continued for yrs charging for steak while delivering something off the dollar menu and are now reaping what they sowed.
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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2010, 03:24:37 PM »

I came up with $4,158,000, which is a little disappointing considering the beautiful weather and little competition from other "big day" cards at other tracks, and almost no special local entertainment to take the wind out of AP's sails.

Face it, people just aren't supporting the local racing product that much.

Monmouth handle was double that. :-)

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« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2010, 04:28:26 PM »

Spent a few hours at the palace today, and am guessing it was the 2nd largest crpwd of the meet. I'd say somewhere around 30 to 35k. Not sure how many were betting, but the place was packed on every level. The track was alive, which has definitely not been the norm for most of the meet. Of corse, perfect weather and Father's Day didnt hurt. I even think the late start for the golf on tv today helped. The more I think about it, I'm convinced a May 1 to Labor Day, Friday through Sunday racing, is the way to go. There are just too many things going on in peoples lives nowadays, for a 4 or 5 day race week to flourish. Though he doesn't have a ton of fans on this forum, it was good to see Duch circulating throughout the facility all day, shaking hands and thanking  people for coming out. All in all, a successful day. Now let's see what the handle was.
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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2010, 04:29:24 PM »

Monmouth handle was double that. :-)

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Yes, the "one-and-done", one season gimmick is working impressively at Monmouth, Al.
 
And honestly, doing it is far better than not doing it. I give them credit for the attempt, sure.
 
But let's not have any crowing from the peanut gallery, no chest-thumping, unless you can tell us where New Jersey is going to get the extra $18 million NEXT year (on any year after that) that they got from the casinos to pump up this year's purses.
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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2010, 04:44:34 PM »

Spent a few hours at the palace today, and am guessing it was the 2nd largest crpwd of the meet.

"crpwd?"

You must mean crapwad, right?  Grin
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2010, 04:53:00 PM »

Monmouth is attracting horsemen and bettors that normally would not have been there. In the future, even if the subsidy disappears, I'm guessing that some of them will return. At least Monmouth is doing something to attract horses, horsemen and bettors. Unlike our local track which attracts picnickers and strollers. We'll see what happens if we ever get slots or the subsidy.
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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2010, 06:29:44 PM »

Yes, the "one-and-done", one season gimmick is working impressively at Monmouth, Al.
 
And honestly, doing it is far better than not doing it. I give them credit for the attempt, sure.
 
But let's not have any crowing from the peanut gallery, no chest-thumping, unless you can tell us where New Jersey is going to get the extra $18 million NEXT year (on any year after that) that they got from the casinos to pump up this year's purses.

Monmouth: Proof positive that if you can get a State to subsidize the shit out of horse racing with casino money as well as a big fat subsidy from the taxpayers themselves, people will pay a little more attention. It's the shining path to success!
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« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2010, 08:45:03 PM »

From my quick calculations, it looks like ~ $2,846,000 in total handle for AP today.

Not good.
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« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2010, 09:12:28 PM »

Monmouth is attracting horsemen and bettors that normally would not have been there. In the future, even if the subsidy disappears, I'm guessing that some of them will return. At least Monmouth is doing something to attract horses, horsemen and bettors. Unlike our local track which attracts picnickers and strollers. We'll see what happens if we ever get slots or the subsidy.

when the incentives are gone the revenue will dry up.  the only real incentive to gambling is lowered take-out.  The added appropriation should have been used to lower takeout.  The world is filled with greedy stupid arrogant soulless energy sucking vampires and racing is no exception.  Personally I regard such individuals with deep suspicion.

The Thuggees operated in India during the early years of the 19th century, before the railroads. At that time travelers or pilgrims moved in groups, and it might be weeks or months before they were missed.  The Deceivers would join a caravan of travelers separately and seemingly unknown to each other.  Each Deceiver had his cover:  some were merchants, some druggists or soldiers, and they were all competant in their cover trade.  The word for their victims was Beethos, "outsiders."  At a given signal, the Stranglers would dispose of the travelers and rob them.  Then the bodies would be perforated with pickaxes so the gases would not attract dogs, hyenas and jackals, and buried under campfires lit over graves.  It is estimated that the Deceivers killed a million Beethos in about twenty years.  It has been called one of the greates criminal conspiracies in history.  The Thuggees were all servants of Kali, goddess of destruction.
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« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2010, 09:19:12 PM »

 Huh
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« Reply #47 on: June 20, 2010, 09:25:18 PM »

Man, do I ever know about getting perforated by a pick axe, last time it happened to me it took weeks to heal.
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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2010, 10:50:07 PM »


The Thuggees operated in India during the early years of the 19th century, before the railroads. At that time travelers or pilgrims moved in groups, and it might be weeks or months before they were missed.  The Deceivers would join a caravan of travelers separately and seemingly unknown to each other.  Each Deceiver had his cover:  some were merchants, some druggists or soldiers, and they were all competant in their cover trade.  The word for their victims was Beethos, "outsiders."  At a given signal, the Stranglers would dispose of the travelers and rob them.  Then the bodies would be perforated with pickaxes so the gases would not attract dogs, hyenas and jackals, and buried under campfires lit over graves.  It is estimated that the Deceivers killed a million Beethos in about twenty years.  It has been called one of the greates criminal conspiracies in history.  The Thuggees were all servants of Kali, goddess of destruction.

I get it. The Thuggees/Deceivers/Stranglers are the Ill state legislature, and the Beethos are the citizens of  the state!

Great metaphor, dude.

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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2010, 12:28:58 AM »

I get it. The Thuggees/Deceivers/Stranglers are the Ill state legislature, and the Beethos are the citizens of  the state!

Great metaphor, dude.

Actually, the racetracks and horsemen are the Thugees, who instead of trying to make money or a living off their investment and hard work, should be putting on a charity event to provide an outlet for the healthy gambling urges of the good Beethos of this world.

We need the modern equivalent of a good benevolent British Empire to come along and put things right.
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