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Author Topic: Are Arlington's Days Numbered?  (Read 3423 times)
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« on: June 17, 2010, 09:28:33 PM »

From The Home Page:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20106170362

Extremely strong words from a Public Company CEO (that's not BP)

Could a Brady win in November mean the end?
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 09:33:17 PM »

Really really bad news.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 09:38:44 PM »

So how far is it to Indiana Downs?  Got to have a place to go next year.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 09:57:21 PM »

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Doesnt sound good from CDI...I hope the trend turns around but without alternative gaming at the tracks in Illinois it isnt likely to happen..
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 10:39:17 PM »

Seriously, things look bleak.The morale at the track rivals a funeral home. One feels and sees impending doom. Went today to meet friends at the  Paddock Pub;closed. Silks lounge and Deli--might as well be closed.  Was on the Rail for the last race--you know there are 20 lights on  the roof to light up the finish line. Eight do not work. Good luck finding a teller--if you do they tell you immediately that the track won't make it to the Million. Saw Arnold;he absolutely will not talk to the customers.

Anyone ever notice that things got better in Iraq once Arnold was "retired" from the Military?

Did hear a rumor that Pat Quinn would be at the track Saturday. He has never been a supporter of racing. Sounds like a Synagogue inviting Hitler for Passover.
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 11:17:59 PM »

Did hear a rumor that Pat Quinn would be at the track Saturday. He has never been a supporter of racing. Sounds like a Synagogue inviting Hitler for Passover.

Pat Quinn did get the ADW deal passed, and he has seemed to be quite open to slots at the tracks. So far so good on him as Governor, IMHO.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 03:59:25 AM »

Can you explain how the ADW has helped anyone except the quarter horse folks.  Purses have not increased that I can see.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 05:50:11 AM »

Congrats to the Arlington haters. Maybe no more racing in Chicago soon, but at least you can sleep better knowing your nemesis will be gone with all the others.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 06:05:29 AM »

Congrats to the Arlington haters.

Yeah, it's all our fault.  Roll Eyes

What a pile of shit.

What, no "kudos" for RLD, who sold out to the devil so they could turn around and shut down their strongest competitor?

Extremely misguided, Don. You are sharper than that.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 07:52:45 AM »

Yeah, it's all our fault.  Roll Eyes

What a pile of shit.

What, no "kudos" for RLD, who sold out to the devil so they could turn around and shut down their strongest competitor?

Extremely misguided, Don. You are sharper than that.
I wasnt assesing blame for the downfall of Chicago racing. Of course, it's a number of things from management, marketing, casinos, politics, etc. It just seems that too many people out here would like to throw dirt on the grave of Arlington, versus just see a healthy circuit for everyone. If it doesn't apply to you or whomever, it shouldn't bother you. But for those people, ddday is on the horizon.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2010, 08:34:43 AM »

I wasnt assesing blame for the downfall of Chicago racing. Of course, it's a number of things from management, marketing, casinos, politics, etc.

Then, say THAT...but don't blame us critics. That's the "misguided" part I was talking about.

And I won't be cheering for AP's demise. I've *always* made it clear that my beef is with RLD. It's sad to think of what AP could have been (other than an expensive RLD self-tribute / palace) if somehow RLD would have gotten the hell out of the way about 10 years ago.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2010, 11:09:11 AM »

My guess is:  anyone with business in the Gulf is re-assessing their reason de etre.  Especially when viewed against a $20,000,000,000 payout.  It's a style game.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 11:56:37 AM »

I wish they would look into another form of gaming. Sports Betting..
1. The tote machines are allready able to accept wagers
2. The casinos will not have a viable argument to object
3. Increase employment in the mutual dept. for that matter at the track as a whole
4.Other states are now starting to line up to fight the existing law, I hope Illinois takes there place in line
5. To lose a place like Arlington, well we all know what a disaster this would be....
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2010, 12:07:52 PM »

I would love to see sports betting ,but its a federal law which would be very hard to overturn
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2010, 12:24:14 PM »

Can you explain how the ADW has helped anyone except the quarter horse folks.  Purses have not increased that I can see.

They helped horse players, for one thing ... any who were hesitant, anyhow.  laughing guy

And, as far as purses and track revenue, look at last year's IRB report. I leave that for you as an exercise.

The question might well be if "legalized" ADW has cannibalized OTB and live handle any more than "illegal" ADW was already hurting it.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2010, 12:34:34 PM »

I wasnt assesing blame for the downfall of Chicago racing. Of course, it's a number of things from management, marketing, casinos, politics, etc. It just seems that too many people out here would like to throw dirt on the grave of Arlington, versus just see a healthy circuit for everyone. If it doesn't apply to you or whomever, it shouldn't bother you. But for those people, ddday is on the horizon.

I think you have misread things. The "Arlington haters" as you call them are the ones who do want to see a healthy "circuit". That means a healthy AP, and Hawthorne, and FP. The "hate" is directed at a track management that seems dead set on putting all other tracks (and ADW's) out of business. One track standing with the power of monopoly over every Illinois horseman, breeder, and horseplayer is not "a circuit".

Besides, let me ask you ... How can AP go from being reasonably healthy (especially compared to Haw and the harness tracks) to crawling to death's door in one short year? How much of all this gloom and doom you read and see on TV - from AP and CDI and Johnston, etc - do you think might be just a little play-acting related to that possible slots vote in November?
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2010, 01:17:17 PM »

Churchill Downs Inc's EBITDA (essentially earnings before depreciation and income taxes) for 2009 (by all accounts a down year) was 65 million dollars, of which 35 million came from racing operations. This is a profitable corporation people. Any 'gloom and doom' talk about AP or CD closing anytime soon is political posturing for slots.

AP has not had a great start to their meet but I believe things can turn around for 2 reasons:

1) The weather has been shaky at best on the weekends and other 'big' days (Memorial Day as HV gleefully noted, triple crown days etc)...the 'stroller buggy' crowd doesn't show up when there's a possibility of rain. Counterpoint, the Friday before Memorial Day was a beautiful day and there was a real good crowd. The stroller buggy crowd will be out there this weekend (at 8 bucks a pop plus 6 dollar beers)

2) The 'real customers' don't have anything to bet on...6 horse fields on poly doesn't cut it. But today and tomorrow's cards look like fun, plenty of deep fields. The punters will put some money into the pools this weekend. The handle is directly correlated to how many horses are in the fields. Send out 12 horse 5k claimers, 2yo MSW, IL 10k maidens, whatever...just fill the races.

My conclusion: AP has gotten off to a tough start this meet, but things can turn around.



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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 01:37:47 PM »

Not to mention, two pots of gold still sitting out there at the end of the rainbow, the boat money, and the 10th casino money.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 01:38:53 PM »

"My conclusion: AP has gotten off to a tough start this meet, but things can turn around."

I agree with this assessment.  Arlington was shut off from NYC OTB during the first month and this had a big effect.  The weather has been gloomy about every time I have been out there.  That does not draw the casual customers.  As strange as it may sound, the success of the Blackhawks has hurt other sports venues in town.  Running opposite to Churchill certainly hurts Arlington's horse population.  Maybe artificial dirt is hurting our cause, but it does not seem to bother Keeneland or Woodbine.

I do hope all the talk is just political posturing, but I am not sure if any political pressure can get us by the casinos.  They have to be attacked and exposed for the power that they control to get us out of this mess.


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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 01:43:39 PM »

Not to mention, two pots of gold still sitting out there at the end of the rainbow, the boat money, and the 10th casino money.

I doubt if we will see any gold doubloons coming from these pots.  The casinos can keep all this in court forever or, at least, long enough to outlast the life of the racing industry.  Is the 10th casino deal for a percent to racing still even valid?
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 04:56:31 PM »

I doubt if we will see any gold doubloons coming from these pots.  The casinos can keep all this in court forever or, at least, long enough to outlast the life of the racing industry.  Is the 10th casino deal for a percent to racing still even valid?

So far our caring legislators have not seen fit to legislate racing's share of the 10th casino money out of existence. Some have made noise about it, because it technically comes out of "The State's Share".
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 06:49:05 PM »

 Arlington was shut off from NYC OTB during the first month and this had a big effect.  



yeah well so was monmouth and it sure didn't hurt them. :-)

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 10:49:55 PM »

yeah well so was monmouth and it sure didn't hurt them. :-)

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2010, 08:50:45 AM »

I have a question that no one may have thought of. If AP closes, what happens to the OTBs they own? Can CD still operate them in Illinois if they don't have a track here?
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2010, 08:53:25 AM »

Have plenty of fun this one year while it lasts.

LOL.

1. LIVE On track handle UP 55% from 5.6 Million to 8.7 Million
2. Simo handle is UP 141%
3. Attendance is UP 21%
4. Number of horse racing is UP 46%

Anyone from CD or Arlington would slit their wrist for those numbers.

The Monmouth Model is clearly working.

state will subsidize purses at monmouth for next year.

wanna bet? since you alread you already lost your Arlington vs Monmouth bet (yeah its gonna be close LOL) maybe we could go double or nothing.

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