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« on: June 16, 2010, 01:58:30 PM »

Things I've noticed while betting the races.

1 - Anytime I bet a horse and he breaks, the announcer is sure to mention the fact that he is "WAY WAY BACK," "Hopelessly out of the race," or "Not going to be a factor today," about a dozen times. It never fails.

2 - The more I drink the bolder my handicapping skills become. Whodathunkit?

3 - I miss the smell of Cigarette smoke, greasy french fries, and the mountains of non-winning tickets around like when I was a kid.

Anyone else?
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 02:02:50 PM »

Miss those annoying guys that used to sell "tip sheets" at the track entrance.

 Miss the long wagering lines and 'checking out" all the weirdos Wink
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 02:10:11 PM »

How about the guy who starts yelling for the '3' at the half, the '6' at the 3/4 pole and as the '2' starts closing down the stretch, he starts rooting for the deuce.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 02:15:38 PM »

I miss the large overflowing grandstand of screaming fans, the smell of DMSO as the horses jogged past along the outside rail.......... and the cold beer.

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 02:17:37 PM »

How about the guy who starts yelling for the '3' at the half, the '6' at the 3/4 pole and as the '2' starts closing down the stretch, he starts rooting for the deuce.
WTF you must have been at the track with me.  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 02:18:12 PM »

Miss talking to the regulars at the same tv spot in the grandstands.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 02:28:23 PM »

I miss getting ripped off for another $5 to park 10 feet closer at Maywood.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2010, 02:29:44 PM »

I miss getting ripped off for another $5 to park 10 feet closer at Maywood.
Generally worth it IMO...unless you are packin.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2010, 02:40:15 PM »

I miss the smell of spilled beer, hot dogs, and horse sh$%! The program and tip sheet sellers. Watching kids run around and pick up losing tickets. Announcers like Phil Georgeff, Tony Salvaro, and Gil Levine. The summer night open air of Sportsman Park Grandstand. The usher's chasing people away from box seats who were setting in boxes without box seat tickets. Drivers like Burright, Farrington, Busse, Banks, Rapone,Curran, Paisley, Marsh Jr., etc. etc. etc.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 02:45:44 PM »

Miss talking to the regulars at the same tv spot in the grandstands.
That is what I miss the most too!
I miss all of the goodtimes with my betting homeys and each of us buying the others a drink when one of us cashes a ticket and calling it cocktail money.
Or racing against one of my friends for a cocktail.
Sure dont miss the happy horse shit with trainers.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 03:46:33 PM »

 Went busted one time at Maywood in seriously cold weather,came out to my car to find 4 flat tires.Luckily I had change for a phone call and got home 2 days later to Indiana!!!!!pre cell phone days!!!an ice pick through the sidewalls!!!!Oh the good old days!!!!It was a Chrysler NEW YORKER!!!!!!!!!I promised not to lie on this forum it was a Dodge Dart!!!!lol
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 04:10:49 PM »

Also. . .those very early days, when you rushed for the double or another race and failed to take notice of where you parked your car.

 Nothing like standing in the lot and waiting for everybody to leave Wink
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2010, 04:27:27 PM »

I miss the days of horses coming out of the chute and onto the main track at Vernon!
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2010, 04:30:46 PM »

They had a chute at Vernon Wink
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2010, 04:32:26 PM »

Seems to me that another track used a chute as well?
 
 Wheeling or Cahokia?
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2010, 04:35:32 PM »

Seems to me that another track used a chute as well?
 
 Wheeling or Cahokia?

They race out of a chute at Colonial Downs in Virginia  too.

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2010, 04:36:23 PM »

from a 1958 Harness Horse.

Here is a shot of Cahokia Downs three-quarter mile track at East St. Louis, and gives a splendid view of what the fans will see when the horses come out of the chute for the opening race of the 30 night meet, starting October 14. Here the horses race towards the fans, who can get to see the start and the racing for positions in that first eighth, which they cannot see where the chute comes straight down. Shown here is the close proximity of the 1,025 stalls to the track.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2010, 04:38:44 PM »

They have Standardbreds in Virginia Wink

 There was a couple of mutli-generation families and farms that used to race across the country.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2010, 04:47:09 PM »

one turn mile racing out of the chute at Colonial. Los of fun.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2010, 04:58:26 PM »

Arlington Park raced 7/8th's races out of the mile thoroughbred chute.
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2010, 05:52:57 PM »

I miss harness racing at Sportsmans and Hawthorne Park. Esp in the summer.
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2010, 06:07:28 PM »

The indoor paddock with big glass windows at Monti
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2010, 08:24:52 PM »

At Buffalo raceway in the 70's at the end of the night as you walked out their was a fat breadman with donuts and fresh bread.He would yell to all "YO HO YO HO I GOT THE BREAD I WANT YOUR DOUGH."
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2010, 08:34:44 PM »

I remember the boxed in $100.00 windows at YR and RR, standing nearby, and seeing who went in there. Couldn't really see who they were betting, but as an 18 year old, in 1962, it was hard to fathom someone walking away from the $100.00 window, stuffing a handful of tickets into their pocket.

The cast of characters at the track in those days was something special. One of my favorites was an elderly Chinese (I assume) guy, who you would buy him a dinner, based on the threadbare clothes he was wearing...yet he always marched to the $100 booth, and invariably pulled out a wad of benjamins every time.
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2010, 09:12:58 PM »

I never experienced it, but I would like the promotion of limited simulcasting to increase live handle.
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2010, 09:20:41 PM »

you would buy him a dinner, based on the threadbare clothes he was wearing...

you just gave me an idea.  thumbs up

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2010, 09:24:04 PM »

you just gave me an idea.  thumbs up


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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2010, 09:28:17 PM »

I never experienced it, but I would like the promotion of limited simulcasting to increase live handle.

 Some states had such laws (Michigan and Ohio come to mind, however there may have been others, prior to full-card simulcasting.

 In 1988, Raceway Park offering wagering on the Hambletonian and a few of the sub races, however not the full card in a special afternoon program. They offered video for all the races though.
 It was like a picnic on the apron and they were grilling food outside, believe they even served beer outside.
 Then held their regular night card after the Hambo.

 Michigan at one time had a limit of two simulcast races per card. Not sure what their handle or profit was, however it was the first chance that many folks within Michigan tracks had seen racing outside Mich.
 I'm not sure if the wagering was co-mingled, although I doubt it. Inclined to believe the Mich pools were seperate.
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2010, 10:21:15 PM »

I miss harness racing at Sportsmans and Hawthorne Park. Esp in the summer.
Me too used to hustle pool in that area!!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2010, 10:38:38 PM »

Me too used to hustle pool in that area!!!!!
surprised you never ran into RTP if you played pool in the old days.
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« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2010, 10:46:18 PM »

Drivers like Burright, Farrington, Busse, Banks, Rapone,Curran, Paisley, Marsh Jr., etc. etc. etc.

 Here yar' Humpy.

 Barbara must be some kind of cousin to you?

 from Oct 1953 Hoof Beats:
STORK DEPARTMENTóBarbara Games Burright born August 3 to Reinsman and Mrs. Harry W. Burright . . . Patricia Mary Cunningham, blue eyes, lot of black hair, checked in at St. Ann Maternity Hospital in Cleveland. She's the third daughter of race announcer Andy and Mrs. Cunningham. The Cunningham's only son, Jimmy, 10, was visiting with his father at the Aurora Downs at Maywood, Ill., meeting when his new sister arrived.
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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2010, 01:36:51 AM »

I miss harness racing at Sportsmans and Hawthorne Park. Esp in the summer.

Yeah, me too.

Sportsman's in the summer.

Hawthorne in the winter.

As you can see the Casino's (other states) were willing to share.

Unfortunately......Illinois politicians are a breed unlike others.
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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2010, 03:03:03 AM »


       I miss Sportsman Park sitting in section G watching the warmups with my binoculars and a pocketful of cash and a beautiful woman by my side . I miss laughing at that crazy guy Howard yelling and screaming about getting shutout . I miss the guys following me to the window and seeing their dejected face when I bet a pig !

     I miss when there was only one trifecta race with a big pool !

     Well ,   The pocketful of cash is gone 

               The beautiful woman is gone

               The track is gone

               The followers are gone

               The only thing left is crazy Howard , but now he's yelling he got beat with
                pocket aces .

                Oh well it was good when it lasted !


                                                      RTP

              I still have hair at least , so it could be worse !! 

              No offense bald guys !!   But I love my hair .    maroon
 
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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2010, 03:19:51 AM »

       I miss Sportsman Park sitting in section G watching the warmups with my binoculars and a pocketful of cash and a beautiful woman by my side . I miss laughing at that crazy guy Howard yelling and screaming about getting shutout . I miss the guys following me to the window and seeing their dejected face when I bet a pig !

     I miss when there was only one trifecta race with a big pool !

     Well ,   The pocketful of cash is gone 

               The beautiful woman is gone

               The track is gone

               The followers are gone

               The only thing left is crazy Howard , but now he's yelling he got beat with
                pocket aces .

                Oh well it was good when it lasted !


                                                      RTP

              I still have hair at least , so it could be worse !! 

              No offense bald guys !!   But I love my hair .    maroon
 
Was Howard the priest you had a bad dealing with?
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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2010, 08:25:46 AM »

surprised you never ran into RTP if you played pool in the old days.
Known Phil for 30 some years.We constantly hung out in the same taverns after the races.Ive always had and still do have a lot of repect for RTP.Always a gentlemen and has went out of his way to try and help me.Used to follow him to the window too.Those scores he talks about are all true.FACT!!!!!!!
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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2010, 09:10:11 AM »


          No , Howard was a character at the track who resembled Groucho Marx and possibly wore the same clothes ! He had a wardrobe that could only have been handed down and down . He use to run around with a fat friend yelling and usually beating the friend in the head with his program screaming about something !! One time Howard was beating him with his program and the friend who's name was either Sheldon or Sherman was trying to get away , but he must have just relieve himself from the washroom because he had about 6 foot of toilet paper coming out of his pants ( NO EXAGGERATION )  I couldn't stop laughing the whole night . I once loaned Howard 30 dollars and he bet mostly t breds at this time and he hid from me for a year !!  I finally spotted him one day at Hawthorne and snuck up behind him and put my arm around his throat from behind and started squeezing and as i'm squeezing him tighter and tighter i'm telling him give me my 40 ( naturally 10 buck interest )  i'm squeezing so hard he is about to passout , so I let go and he cannot get his breath and he is gagging to regain his breath , he finally has cleared his throat and says will you settle for 20 !!  I immediately lunged at him and he OK OK here's your 40 !!  Now think about it what kind of raving lunatic under that kind of pressure would try and get a settlement from someone that just got done choking him Huh?    maroon


      There are many racetrack stories about Howard and they are all classics .

      The priest and him have probably played cards together by the way .


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       Those were the days .          geezer
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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2010, 09:51:45 AM »

The scenery up and down Laramie or Cicero after a night at the races was a sight to behold.
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« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2010, 09:56:40 AM »

i miss the foreign guy from Liberty Bell in the early 80s who always bet the "four hore" four hore" and when Eddie Davis would win he go up and down the granstand chanting "Eddie, Eddie, Eddie"

what a character he was
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« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2010, 10:18:24 AM »

         No , Howard was a character at the track who resembled Groucho Marx and possibly wore the same clothes ! He had a wardrobe that could only have been handed down and down . He use to run around with a fat friend yelling and usually beating the friend in the head with his program screaming about something !! One time Howard was beating him with his program and the friend who's name was either Sheldon or Sherman was trying to get away , but he must have just relieve himself from the washroom because he had about 6 foot of toilet paper coming out of his pants ( NO EXAGGERATION )  I couldn't stop laughing the whole night . I once loaned Howard 30 dollars and he bet mostly t breds at this time and he hid from me for a year !!  I finally spotted him one day at Hawthorne and snuck up behind him and put my arm around his throat from behind and started squeezing and as i'm squeezing him tighter and tighter i'm telling him give me my 40 ( naturally 10 buck interest )  i'm squeezing so hard he is about to passout , so I let go and he cannot get his breath and he is gagging to regain his breath , he finally has cleared his throat and says will you settle for 20 !!  I immediately lunged at him and he OK OK here's your 40 !!  Now think about it what kind of raving lunatic under that kind of pressure would try and get a settlement from someone that just got done choking him Huh?    maroon


      There are many racetrack stories about Howard and they are all classics .

      The priest and him have probably played cards together by the way .


                                                RTP

       Those were the days .          geezer
RTP,

My cohorts and I sat in section H at Sportsmans.
I'm a few years younger than you.
I remember you always had a very pretty lady with you.
Those days were great.
Feeling the buzz in the crowd before a big race is something that some people attending races today have never experienced.

I also remember Groucho well.
I thought his real name was Steve?
My friends and I always referred to him as Groucho.
His freind's name was Myron.
I know that for a fact.
When I read your description of the toilet paper episode I almost peed my pants.
I actually remember seeing that.
I've called tow old pals this morning and they remebered that as well and just about died laughing about it.
We used to sit on the third floor at Maywood by the finish line.
Groucho, Myron and Scott Erlich sat right above us night after night.
Our groups would nod to eachother but never much more than that.
Scott Erlich kept a huge notebook on workouts.
One night he left early and then came back in tears because he lost it.
He looked under every seat in the place.
I don't think he ever found it.

I am also proud to say, I never follwed you to the windows.
Great days indeed.
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        Burton ,     No ,   Howard is his name for sure and I just remembered for sure the other guys name it was Marshall his father owned a shoe store and he would even sell shoes at the track . Just maybe your thinking of someone else , but that could hardly be if you remember the toilet paper incident that was so funny . Howard rents a room now at my old partners house and I still see him when i visit . He once played pool with my friend a great player and the game was nine ball and if Howard could hit the rotation ball your suppose to shoot into the nine ball and have the nine ball hit the rail he won and naturally the other guy had to make the balls in order to win . No one in the world could lose with that spot !! 

     Howard went busted !!    maroon

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« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2010, 10:44:45 AM »

Tioga is the best place we have to watch a race.  It's worth the trip.  It just sucks that no one bets.
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« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2010, 11:03:43 AM »

RTP,

My cohorts and I sat in section H at Sportsmans.
I'm a few years younger than you.
I remember you always had a very pretty lady with you.
Those days were great.
Feeling the buzz in the crowd before a big race is something that some people attending races today have never experienced.

I also remember Groucho well.
I thought his real name was Steve?
My friends and I always referred to him as Groucho.
His freind's name was Myron.
I know that for a fact.
When I read your description of the toilet paper episode I almost peed my pants.
I actually remember seeing that.
I've called tow old pals this morning and they remebered that as well and just about died laughing about it.
We used to sit on the third floor at Maywood by the finish line.
Groucho, Myron and Scott Erlich sat right above us night after night.
Our groups would nod to eachother but never much more than that.
Scott Erlich kept a huge notebook on workouts.
One night he left early and then came back in tears because he lost it.
He looked under every seat in the place.
I don't think he ever found it.

I am also proud to say, I never follwed you to the windows.
Great days indeed.
I kind of explained in several posts that i am not a good handicapper, when in that situation to have a chance you had to follow the wise guys!!!!ieWhen betting sports i got the plays of the computer group and got cut off by almost every bookie in Chicago.Then had to get beards in to those same guys again and again.Put a lot of them out of action so i could be a big bettor at the track.Thats what i got out of it!!!!!
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        Burton ,     No ,   Howard is his name for sure and I just remembered for sure the other guys name it was Marshall his father owned a shoe store and he would even sell shoes at the track . Just maybe your thinking of someone else , but that could hardly be if you remember the toilet paper incident that was so funny . Howard rents a room now at my old partners house and I still see him when i visit . He once played pool with my friend a great player and the game was nine ball and if Howard could hit the rotation ball your suppose to shoot into the nine ball and have the nine ball hit the rail he won and naturally the other guy had to make the balls in order to win . No one in the world could lose with that spot !! 

     Howard went busted !!    maroon

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« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2010, 05:26:52 PM »

I remember sitting outside at Liberty Bell in the 70's, and Stanley Dancer had one of his typical heavy favorites-Albatross, I think-who outclassed the field. Jack Bailey had Bye Bye Sam, a decent type but not in the same class as Albatross. Albatross won that night, of course, with Stanley backing off the middle half before sprinting away. BUT, Bailey parked him early before settling in the pocket, and took a run at him at the end, to no avail. What sets this race apart is the ovation the fans gave Bailey for trying his best-an act of sportsmanship from the fans that disappeared long, long ago.
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« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2010, 05:39:08 PM »

The scenery up and down Laramie or Cicero after a night at the races was a sight to behold.
does anybody remember the bar outside the stable gate on laramie. i think it was THE CLUBHOUSE. i remember the bartender, his name was teddy. little like the soup nazi on seinfield. a real character. pretty good Italian food  there.
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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2010, 05:48:11 PM »

RTP,

My cohorts and I sat in section H at Sportsmans.
I'm a few years younger than you.
I remember you always had a very pretty lady with you.
Those days were great.
Feeling the buzz in the crowd before a big race is something that some people attending races today have never experienced.

I also remember Groucho well.
I thought his real name was Steve?
My friends and I always referred to him as Groucho.
His freind's name was Myron.
I know that for a fact.
When I read your description of the toilet paper episode I almost peed my pants.
I actually remember seeing that.
I've called tow old pals this morning and they remebered that as well and just about died laughing about it.
We used to sit on the third floor at Maywood by the finish line.
Groucho, Myron and Scott Erlich sat right above us night after night.
Our groups would nod to eachother but never much more than that.
Scott Erlich kept a huge notebook on workouts.
One night he left early and then came back in tears because he lost it.
He looked under every seat in the place.
I don't think he ever found it.

I am also proud to say, I never follwed you to the windows.
Great days indeed.

Your group sat only yards away from my good friend Glenn Zarr and his family up there on the third floor. No doubt you remember the Zarr family they owned horses I'm certain you know who their trainers were. Glen's brother Zack carried a clip board all the time like Erlick he also wore binoculars around his neck. I talk to Glen now and then but don't see him since I moved out of town. Glen tells me he still goes to Maywood and sees you and a few people who sat in your group up there on the third floor. That third fool was once jammed packed with race goers. My friend Glen knows just about everyone that went to Maywood he wore out ten pair of gyms walking all over hell during the races looking for as much information as he could get. I think Section H is where Farrington and his group sat. Did you ever follow his runners to the windows? Me and Glen did all the time. We loved to follow Jim Dolbee to the 50 dollar window on the grandstand level where he would bet. Hang loose burton if you see Glen around say hello.    
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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2010, 05:55:15 PM »

does anybody remember the bar outside the stable gate on laramie. i think it was THE CLUBHOUSE. i remember the bartender, his name was teddy. little like the soup nazi on seinfield. a real character. pretty good Italian food  there.

Tons of coke was sold in that bar when Teddy worked the place. Glen would buy some weed in there from Jones a friend of Randy Jacobs. Food was good in there I remember. Glen always wanted to stop in after the races for chili.  
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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2010, 06:07:44 PM »

Tons of coke was sold in that bar when Teddy worked the place. Glen would buy some weed in there from Jones a friend of Randy Jacobs. Food was good in there I remember. Glen always wanted to stop in after the races for chili.   
i worked for joe obrien in his last trips to sportsmans. he had the first barn right inside
 the stable gate.id say 1979 1980 maybe. rubbing horses for joe is an experience i would not trade or wish on anybody as he was a perfectionist. take home about 135.00 dollars a week then. would go to the clubhouse bar payday, eat and have a few beers, go to the races and usually went broke. back to the bar to run a tab. ate and drank there for the week. the next friday would come and after you paid your tab, ate dinner and had a few beers. you were almost busted, go to the races to make a score. go bust and then started a tab for the next week on saturday. they had my 135 dollars every week. vicious cycle. lol wouldnt trade the experience for anything.
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2010, 06:32:35 PM »

Your group sat only yards away from my good friend Glenn Zarr and his family up there on the third floor. No doubt you remember the Zarr family they owned horses I'm certain you know who their trainers were. Glen's brother Zack carried a clip board all the time like Erlick he also wore binoculars around his neck. I talk to Glen now and then but don't see him since I moved out of town. Glen tells me he still goes to Maywood and sees you and a few people who sat in your group up there on the third floor. That third fool was once jammed packed with race goers. My friend Glen knows just about everyone that went to Maywood he wore out ten pair of gyms walking all over hell during the races looking for as much information as he could get. I think Section H is where Farrington and his group sat. Did you ever follow his runners to the windows? Me and Glen did all the time. We loved to follow Jim Dolbee to the 50 dollar window on the grandstand level where he would bet. Hang loose burton if you see Glen around say hello.    
I have no idea what you are talking about.
Don't respond to my posts.
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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2010, 06:37:15 PM »

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Don't respond to my posts.

You know my friend Glen Zarr do not tell me you don't. His family sat up there close to your group on the third floor at Maywood. Glen knows your group. I'll respond to your posts burton. 
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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2010, 06:43:35 PM »

You wanted him banned, now you're stalking his posts??? Smells like a  rat
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2010, 06:49:59 PM »

You wanted him banned, now you're stalking his posts??? Smells like a  rat

All I was doing was telling him after I read his post to race track phil Glen Zarr knows him and his group. That is not stalking that is commenting on his post. 
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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2010, 07:07:02 PM »

Posts you've made about Burton:

"Well it's time for me to leave for the time being since this burton poster showed up. To me it's obvious burton controls something here and a group of people. If I disagree with burton he will call me names and maybe cause trouble for me"

"Gee never would of figured I would get attacked from all ends. Is this burton person all powerful around here that he can insult someone he don't even know and refer to them as idiots?"

" A good start would be to remove the burton poster."

A post directed towards Burton:
Your answer is no. You must frequent that place not me. I have not caused one bit of trouble here. Is disagreeing with the actions of some people here mean I'm a trouble maker. Here is what you need to know about me. I learned about onestopharness went there then became a member. I saw no personal attacks there by anyone. There were no arguments and fighting there between members. The website closed down so I came here. Now because I don't agree with you and those like you I'm attacked and called a troublemaker. It is you that I see as the troublemaker. Do you own this place or something since you seem to feel you have the right to talk to people anyway you want? Don't call me an idiot again troublemaker.     

Another towards Burton:
I have a great idea. Why don't you go do an interview with Lou Pena then ask all the questions you would like answered.

Another towards Burton:
Are you a wealthy man? How did you earn your money to become wealthy? If Lou Pena could comment to you about the comments you make about him he might say to you he thinks you became wealthy cheating somebody out of money.

Again Burton:Here's is my point of view.This Sturman guy writes an article relative to what's talking place now an what do many of you do start attacking him on a personal basis. Why do so many people here attack people? You state trainers who cheated then were caught having positives served their suspension applicable yet you accused another trainer of copping a plea. I called the racing board they told me they offered a deal to the trainer who you claimed copped a plea. According to the board the trainer severed his time that was offered to him applicable to put it in your words. How much do you sell your selections for at trackmaster more then $5? I thought Sturman brought out some very interesting points about the recent attacks on Lou Pena. You would rather throw personal insults and attacks then respond to the article.   

Burton one more time:Are you the professional handicapper for trackmaster? I will try and find out the answer to your question by calling the racing board then I will get back to you. I find all this Nance discussion rather interesting.

Burton again:Is Burton a pro handicapper? Is he the person who works for Trackmaster as a handicapper?

Yeah, clearly you're not stalking Burton.
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« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2010, 07:20:26 PM »

burton is not a fan favorite of Offstride and the Cabal.

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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2010, 07:29:00 PM »

Posts you've made about Burton:

"Well it's time for me to leave for the time being since this burton poster showed up. To me it's obvious burton controls something here and a group of people. If I disagree with burton he will call me names and maybe cause trouble for me"

"Gee never would of figured I would get attacked from all ends. Is this burton person all powerful around here that he can insult someone he don't even know and refer to them as idiots?"

" A good start would be to remove the burton poster."

A post directed towards Burton:
Your answer is no. You must frequent that place not me. I have not caused one bit of trouble here. Is disagreeing with the actions of some people here mean I'm a trouble maker. Here is what you need to know about me. I learned about onestopharness went there then became a member. I saw no personal attacks there by anyone. There were no arguments and fighting there between members. The website closed down so I came here. Now because I don't agree with you and those like you I'm attacked and called a troublemaker. It is you that I see as the troublemaker. Do you own this place or something since you seem to feel you have the right to talk to people anyway you want? Don't call me an idiot again troublemaker.     

Another towards Burton:
I have a great idea. Why don't you go do an interview with Lou Pena then ask all the questions you would like answered.

Another towards Burton:
Are you a wealthy man? How did you earn your money to become wealthy? If Lou Pena could comment to you about the comments you make about him he might say to you he thinks you became wealthy cheating somebody out of money.

Again Burton:Here's is my point of view.This Sturman guy writes an article relative to what's talking place now an what do many of you do start attacking him on a personal basis. Why do so many people here attack people? You state trainers who cheated then were caught having positives served their suspension applicable yet you accused another trainer of copping a plea. I called the racing board they told me they offered a deal to the trainer who you claimed copped a plea. According to the board the trainer severed his time that was offered to him applicable to put it in your words. How much do you sell your selections for at trackmaster more then $5? I thought Sturman brought out some very interesting points about the recent attacks on Lou Pena. You would rather throw personal insults and attacks then respond to the article.   

Burton one more time:Are you the professional handicapper for trackmaster? I will try and find out the answer to your question by calling the racing board then I will get back to you. I find all this Nance discussion rather interesting.

Burton again:Is Burton a pro handicapper? Is he the person who works for Trackmaster as a handicapper?

Yeah, clearly you're not stalking Burton.

 Glen Zarr knows Burton and his group from the old Maywood Park days. Burton knows Glen Zarr and his family. Burton once told Glen's dad to get the hell out of his seat or he will call the Andy Frame usher. Burton was rued to Glen's dad the same way he was rued to me when I cam here from a forum he didn't like. I have not been rued to burton. I asked him some questions commented on his post about the third floor at Maywood Park and told him to stop calling me names that is it. What is your problem man?   
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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2010, 07:33:27 PM »

Burton is the most well known and most popular of all who have ever been on harness racing message boards.

Not coincidentally, the amount of people who love Burton continues to grow in direct proportion to all the winners he hands out to the masses here at BTW.

 thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

He cranks out winners left and right and he is such a philanthropist that he insists on sharing his selections with all.

Burton = Champion  trophy
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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2010, 07:48:42 PM »

Burton is very well respected and foundational to BTW.
He will not be intimidated by this "rued" and crude fool currently calling himself "Sober".

-- This game is so familiar to everyone here.
Bust on the board and cause havoc.  Single out a few posters that are key.
Stalk, try to intimidate, insult ... then ying/yang about horses trying to get support.
Finally, he'll claim (like he's doing already) that he hasn't done anything wrong and will play by the rules and try to nestle right in. 
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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2010, 07:49:18 PM »

Burton is the most well known and most popular of all who have ever been on harness racing message boards.

Not coincidentally, the amount of people who love Burton continues to grow in direct proportion to all the winners he hands out to the masses here at BTW.

 thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

He cranks out winners left and right and he is such a philanthropist that he insists on sharing his selections with all.

Burton = Champion  trophy


I would like to see a list of the winners burton has cranked out or I won't believe a word you say. Crank out those winners so I can judge for myself. When I was at onestophanress I read the results section for those Nance numbers if you want to talk about cranking out winners there is a person who does just that.    
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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2010, 07:52:59 PM »

Burton is very well respected and foundational to BTW.
He will not be intimidated by this "rued" and crude fool currently calling himself "Sober".

-- This game is so familiar to everyone here.
Bust on the board and cause havoc.  Single out a few posters that are key.
Stalk, try to intimidate, insult ... then ying/yang about horses trying to get support.
Finally, he'll claim (like he's doing already) that he hasn't done anything wrong and will play by the rules and try to nestle right in. 

Bingo! Sober is here to troll. Things must be slow on the other website.  Cheesy
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« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2010, 07:55:25 PM »

Bingo! Sober is here to troll. Things must be slow on the other website.  Cheesy

Everyone is a troll to your group of people. You can tell burton to walk up to my friend Glen Zarr the next time he sees him at Maywood Park and ask Glen about me. Glen will tell him who I am. No troll Glen Zarr's friend. 
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« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2010, 11:24:11 PM »

Everyone is a troll to your group of people. You can tell burton to walk up to my friend Glen Zarr the next time he sees him at Maywood Park and ask Glen about me. Glen will tell him who I am. No troll Glen Zarr's friend. 
no.. not everyone is a troll.. just you and that greek douchebag...  I smell a cartoon revival
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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2010, 06:02:44 AM »

Thanks to Headpole Dave, Freelegged, Maxim and Jim for trying to help me out here and for the kind words.

I don't know Glen Zarr.
But based on the quality Sober's posts, I probably did have him and his friend thrown out of my reserved seats at Sprotsman's Park.
I'm sure they couldn't afford the $2 for the seat.
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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2010, 06:28:31 AM »

Thanks to Headpole Dave, Freelegged, Maxim and Jim for trying to help me out here and for the kind words.

I don't know Glen Zarr.
But based on the quality Sober's posts, I probably did have him and his friend thrown out of my reserved seats at Sprotsman's Park.
I'm sure they couldn't afford the $2 for the seat.

 thumbs up  No problem burton.
Kudos to Dave, FL, Maxim and many others too for speaking out about Offstride's latest sham. Wings and 3WW have been mighty vocal on several threads speaking out against Bruce and his latest attempt to disrupt our forum.
I applaud you all, and thanks to you guys for denouncing the Cabal and all they represent.

Jim
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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2010, 06:40:19 AM »

Thanks to Headpole Dave, Freelegged, Maxim and Jim for trying to help me out here and for the kind words.

I don't know Glen Zarr.
But based on the quality Sober's posts, I probably did have him and his friend thrown out of my reserved seats at Sprotsman's Park.
I'm sure they couldn't afford the $2 for the seat.

NP on my part either -- it was a pleasure.  Glenn Zarr doesn't appear to have been a real force in Chicago racing.  Sober isn't doing his "friend" any favors.  Proally a good thing Sober moved out of town (or so he said).

Horses Owned, Leased, or Bred by:  Glenn A Zarr, LA GRANGE , IL
WAYLAND FREDDIE (4990W1) 1978 (Owner  - N/A)       
K D'S PAL (9398W8) 1978  (Prior Owner 11/30/1982 -- 10/17/1984)

Burton and BTW rule.   thumbs up
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