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Author Topic: Lou Pena has officially ruined The Meds for me.  (Read 10914 times)
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« on: June 05, 2010, 06:50:27 PM »

This is beyond disgusting. 3 races, three wins. I look forward to Saturday night racing at the Meds all week, and now find myself saying " not worth betting this race, Lou Pena has a horse in here ". This has become a total joke to the sport.
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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2010, 06:51:17 PM »

This is beyond disgusting. 3 races, three wins. I look forward to Saturday night racing at the Meds all week, and now find myself saying " not worth betting this race, Lou Pena has a horse in here ". This has become a total joke to the sport.
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« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2010, 06:55:12 PM »

This is beyond disgusting. 3 races, three wins. I look forward to Saturday night racing at the Meds all week, and now find myself saying " not worth betting this race, Lou Pena has a horse in here ". This has become a total joke to the sport.
I love it!! EASY MONEY!!!
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« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2010, 06:56:08 PM »

I love it!! EASY MONEY!!!
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2010, 06:59:41 PM »

It might be easy money but stuff like this is the cancer that kills harness racing. ITs bad enough when horsemen whisper behind closed doors about someone blatantly cheating, but its gotten way worse. Now harness racing publications are talking about it, fans across the county and worse owners of horses are speaking up saying they have had enough. I am a fan not an owner but if I did own one and had to race race after race against this sham I would throw upo my hands and get out . They are racing for second place in most races now.  Owners keep this sport alive, not just by paying the bills but also standing in line at the windows.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2010, 07:21:48 PM »

I have not bought a Chester or Meadowlands program all year and I have not bet a race at either track all year.

But mention Pena's name on this board and look at the views.

Come and join me at Northfield. My own personal winning percentage is far better than Pena's, and my selections pay better.
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2010, 07:23:21 PM »

I have not bought a Chester or Meadowlands program all year and I have not bet a race at either track all year.

But mention Pena's name on this board and look at the views.

Come and join me at Northfield. My own personal winning percentage is far better than Pena's, and my selections pay better.
thumbs up GOOD JOB BELLO ,I AGREE.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2010, 08:11:01 PM »

It might be easy money but stuff like this is the cancer that kills harness racing. ITs bad enough when horsemen whisper behind closed doors about someone blatantly cheating, but its gotten way worse. Now harness racing publications are talking about it, fans across the county and worse owners of horses are speaking up saying they have had enough. I am a fan not an owner but if I did own one and had to race race after race against this sham I would throw upo my hands and get out . They are racing for second place in most races now.  Owners keep this sport alive, not just by paying the bills but also standing in line at the windows.

Don't bet it. What other recourse do you have as a bettor?
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2010, 08:42:42 PM »

Don't bet it. What other recourse do you have as a bettor?
Agree totally, Wings.  Unfortunately, increasing numbers of people are taking this advice literally.  Bad for folks who like to bet on harness racing.   head shake head shake
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2010, 09:58:10 PM »

Agree totally, Wings.  Unfortunately, increasing numbers of people are taking this advice literally.  Bad for folks who like to bet on harness racing.   head shake head shake

Ive never seen so many people complain about MAKING money.  Kinda reminds me of my MMRF thread I created when the the stock was at .09 and it went to .36 a month later.  All I heard the entire time was *** *** ***.  Same with Pena.  Here is a concept.  Instead of complaining, how about betting him and ya know...make some money?  This guy is hotter than any trainer in history, is giving out favorites and longshots that are winning, and you guys are complaining?Huh?


Never seen anything like it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2010, 10:15:34 PM »

Ive never seen so many people complain about MAKING money.  Kinda reminds me of my MMRF thread I created when the the stock was at .09 and it went to .36 a month later.  All I heard the entire time was *** *** ***.  Same with Pena.  Here is a concept.  Instead of complaining, how about betting him and ya know...make some money?  This guy is hotter than any trainer in history, is giving out favorites and longshots that are winning, and you guys are complaining?Huh?


Never seen anything like it.

Because some people have ethics and integrity. I personally would not bet on a  race I knew was fixed in advance. the karma would haunt me forever. I am kind of out of this discussion I have never been a big better. I don't really like the big time racing and the stuff like this that comes with it. If I had to bet Id get with bello and follow some B track. Yes I know there are a ton of issues there too.
This is all bad people. Take it for what its worth but you are killing off the sport with race fixing and drug issues. I have no axe to grind I don't bet. I don't even follow alot outside my local track which doesn't even race the last 2 years. But this is bad guys. And winning 100 bucks on a bet on a doped up horse will cost you alot more long term for the people this crap turns off. your pools are lower today for the crap that happened in the past. So maybe you won a little on a drugged up horse 10 years ago But you are betting at smaller pools now because of that win. This sport and all 9 well most) involved are the most short sited I've ever seen. I mean from governing bodies to horsemen to bettors.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 10:39:32 PM »

Ive never seen so many people complain about MAKING money.  Kinda reminds me of my MMRF thread I created when the the stock was at .09 and it went to .36 a month later.  All I heard the entire time was *** *** ***.  Same with Pena.  Here is a concept.  Instead of complaining, how about betting him and ya know...make some money?  This guy is hotter than any trainer in history, is giving out favorites and longshots that are winning, and you guys are complaining?Huh?


Never seen anything like it.
Uh, yeah, whatever.  Do the math.  A bet on all Pena starters, as hot as he is, is a losing proposition.  Your line of shit doesn't hold water.   doh doh doh
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2010, 10:43:31 PM »

Uh, yeah, whatever.  Do the math.  A bet on all Pena starters, as hot as he is, is a losing proposition.  Your line of shit doesn't hold water.   doh doh doh

When people don't have anything pertinent to say, they always come out with the old "well then you can make a lot of money" line.
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2010, 10:52:10 PM »

When people don't have anything pertinent to say, they always come out with the old "well then you can make a lot of money" line.
bowing My thoughts exactly.  If it were that simple, there would be NO longshots, right?  bowing
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2010, 10:54:12 PM »

What no one has addressed is the longterm effects of the horses. If he is not doing anything wrong but just having owners that supports his training, all and good. The problem is what will happen in the future (if he is using something). The long-term effects can be devasting upon the horse and sport itself.

I would ask has anyone ever claimed a horse that was trained by Lou Pena in the last two months? If someone knows the connections personally, ask them the condition of that horse since the claim. Not worried if they made money with the horse; but, rather the physical health of the animal. We can know more by these (if there are any) and their problems. Hopefully the state of NJ and the track have all ready checked.

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« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 11:02:33 PM »

What no one has addressed is the longterm effects of the horses. If he is not doing anything wrong but just having owners that supports his training, all and good. The problem is what will happen in the future (if he is using something). The long-term effects can be devasting upon the horse and sport itself.

I would ask has anyone ever claimed a horse that was trained by Lou Pena in the last two months? If someone knows the connections personally, ask them the condition of that horse since the claim. Not worried if they made money with the horse; but, rather the physical health of the animal. We can know more by these (if there are any) and their problems. Hopefully the state of NJ and the track have all ready checked.

my two cents
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I'd say the list of people claiming off Pena is mighty short.
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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 11:09:46 PM »

IT IS VERY SIMPLE, STOP BETTING!! YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO MANAGMENT AND THEY WILL NOT DO A THING, IF YOU THINK THEY ARE YOU DOING SOMETHING, YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF. IF THE POOL HANLDES DECREASE DRAMATICALLY SOME OF THE TRACKS WILL HAVE TO CHANGE, THE RACINO'S WILL NOT UNTIL THE STATES DECIDE THEY WANT THE MONEY FROM THE SLOTS TO HELP THEIR DEFICITS PUT LESS MONEY TO THE HORSEMANS FUNDS AND BY BY HARNESS RACING. PEOPLE SAY THEY DONT KNOW WHAT TO TEST FOR THAT IS BS,  DRAW ENOUGH BLOOD AND TEST FOR ANYTHING MADE. SURE IT MIGHT COST SOME $$$ BUT IT IS BETTER. SOMEBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON AND THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE STATE OR TRACK MANAGEMENT CANNOT FIND OUT OR ALREADY KNOWS.
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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 11:14:41 PM »

IT IS VERY SIMPLE, STOP BETTING!! YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO MANAGMENT AND THEY WILL NOT DO A THING, IF YOU THINK THEY ARE YOU DOING SOMETHING, YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF. IF THE POOL HANLDES DECREASE DRAMATICALLY SOME OF THE TRACKS WILL HAVE TO CHANGE, THE RACINO'S WILL NOT UNTIL THE STATES DECIDE THEY WANT THE MONEY FROM THE SLOTS TO HELP THEIR DEFICITS PUT LESS MONEY TO THE HORSEMANS FUNDS AND BY BY HARNESS RACING. PEOPLE SAY THEY DONT KNOW WHAT TO TEST FOR THAT IS BS,  DRAW ENOUGH BLOOD AND TEST FOR ANYTHING MADE. SURE IT MIGHT COST SOME $$$ BUT IT IS BETTER. SOMEBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON AND THERE IS NO REASON WHY THE STATE OR TRACK MANAGEMENT CANNOT FIND OUT OR ALREADY KNOWS.
With casino gambling in limbo/on the agenda, your point could very well be valid.   thumbs up thumbs up
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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 11:51:48 PM »

"NATURAL GRAND SLAM"

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What else can you say.
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 01:01:30 AM »

First Name Last Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Earnings UTRS
Luis            Pena           620 188 98 81 2,266,094 0.435


188 wins in 620 starts against the best horses and horseman in the world.
This guy is a lock first baaallot hall of famer.
Goshen should have a Lou Pena wing. Start construction.

Whens the last time a guy won 30% and had a .435 at this level? And can someone post Luis career stats? Cal expo probably already has a statue up for him?
What a horseman.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2010, 01:15:17 AM »

Im confused they pulled his bloods by surprise,  they must have come back ok.  Thought you people lived in a country where innocent until proven guilty applied i agree it looks questionable,  but for the millers to say he claimed a lame horse what does that say about them racing unfit animals.  Harness racing is becoming like the tour de france the competitors are always ahead of the authorities
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2010, 01:34:48 AM »

Thought you people lived in a country where innocent until proven guilty

here is the situation: many of the most outspoken people that are anti-Pena are owners or fan boys for other prominent trainers. You just need to bounce around these harness racing message boards....you'll see what I mean. These are the same trainers, I might add, who have had their fair share of problems in the past.

But these particular owners and fan boys cannot handle getting beat by Lou Pena. It was okay when their horses were drawing off and winning by several lengths.....because that was the result of "hard work and horsemanship". When in fact, these trainers have been crooks, thieves and cheats.

Do I think Pena is playing by the rules? I do not know. If he ever gets caught doing something against the rules, I hope he gets very stiff punishment. But I want to see these other trainers WHO HAVE ALREADY had positives get the boot, too.

I have had my reasons for wondering about FreddyBlu in the past, but I give the guy credit...he asked this Cohen guy why he isn't attacking Mark Kesmodel for getting positives recently...of course Cohen had no answer. These clowns (owners, fan boys, some writers) are focusing all their attention on Lou Pena- and fail to address the other cheaters. Just like you can't be "a little bit pregnant", you can't be a little bit of a cheater in harness racing. You have either cheated or you have not.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2010, 01:39:47 AM »

Robin Schadt claimed a few from Lou and did ok..
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2010, 05:36:46 AM »

here is the situation: many of the most outspoken people that are anti-Pena are owners or fan boys for other prominent trainers. You just need to bounce around these harness racing message boards....you'll see what I mean. These are the same trainers, I might add, who have had their fair share of problems in the past.

But these particular owners and fan boys cannot handle getting beat by Lou Pena. It was okay when their horses were drawing off and winning by several lengths.....because that was the result of "hard work and horsemanship". When in fact, these trainers have been crooks, thieves and cheats.

Do I think Pena is playing by the rules? I do not know. If he ever gets caught doing something against the rules, I hope he gets very stiff punishment. But I want to see these other trainers WHO HAVE ALREADY had positives get the boot, too.

I have had my reasons for wondering about FreddyBlu in the past, but I give the guy credit...he asked this Cohen guy why he isn't attacking Mark Kesmodel for getting positives recently...of course Cohen had no answer. These clowns (owners, fan boys, some writers) are focusing all their attention on Lou Pena- and fail to address the other cheaters. Just like you can't be "a little bit pregnant", you can't be a little bit of a cheater in harness racing. You have either cheated or you have not.

top notch post free legged...as you said, if he gets caught, i hope they nail him to the cross...but no one is being watched or tested more in this sport in its entire history at this point (that now includes eric, robinsons, etc. etc.) then lou and i have to say he's making them look silly. this sport is also full of sore losers. in fact, its been built by and on them for decades...
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2010, 05:40:38 AM »

This is beyond disgusting. 3 races, three wins. I look forward to Saturday night racing at the Meds all week, and now find myself saying " not worth betting this race, Lou Pena has a horse in here ". This has become a total joke to the sport.

do you own horses the beav? if you don't, then do you gamble? or are you just a "lover" of the sport too? cuz this sounds a lot like a sore loser to me...the first race was a four year old going against weak three year olds where his horse just won in 49 under wraps. the second race horse just won and beat the same filed in the same time the week before. and the third horse got a perfect trip (keep in mind he was a 125k yearling) and the fav fell asleep and lou's horse won by a nose hair over a horse that was 100-1. good thing you gave up after the third...
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