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3 wide and wingin
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« on: May 08, 2010, 12:51:38 PM »

So the squattors living on the backstretch lost all of their appeals. Their final request for a temporary restraining order was denied by the Judge. The judge handling the case is very fair and precise. He knows all the facts and he told them they had to be off the premises by 4pm yesterday. Some left abut there are some who are hunkered down and refuse to leave. Well both tracks have been blocked off anyway and there is now a lock on the track kitchen. There will have to be an order given to physically remove them. That will be coming early next week. I just hope these people have a place to go and a place for their pets and horses to go. Most of them are good people but there are a few back there who tell alot of lies and have really given the rest a bad name. They have now officially banned me from their facebook discussion site. Because all I did was tell the truth and tell them be ready to leave. Its really a shame that a few bad apples can make the whole bunch seem rotten.
Just to clarify the authorities will be coming next week to throw them out. they need to be prepared for that. Sorry this is happening but its a fact of life. You have had 8 months to prepare. Sorry that some keep telling you they can make it not happen. they LIED to you. they continue to lie to you. That's why they wont let me be on their FB discussion site. God bless all involved.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 12:58:57 PM »

Personally I think that when the police come to remove them that they should be charged and arrested. I would also consider some of the real trouble makers for permanent exclusion if there is ever racing again. I have really had it with the lies and harassment from the very few trouble makers. I have had it and would love to see management play real hardball with them. Management has always been too lenient with them and they continue to take advantage of that. I am glad management is doing everything by the book though. Let me ask the trouble makers this? Is it worth burning all your bridges and alienating all these people to just extend your stay by 1 more week? I also cant imagine squatting somewhere that I wasn't wanted. Kudos to the few who moved out and obeyed the law.
People are trying to save Rosecroft now is all. All the trouble makers want to do is close Rosecroft permanently. I don't really like that or want that. you got the 2 or 3 idiots leading the way (they are the ones id arrest and exclude forever) and a few who aren't smart enough to know they are telling them 100% lies. Its a sad situation.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 02:16:06 PM »

I hate to say this, but who are they putting at risk by staying?  Their equine charges.  I understand they didn't want to leave but they could have been making plans during all this time so when their last appeal was turned down, they would have plans.  What happens to the horses when they are evicted?
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 02:21:34 PM »

I hate to say this, but who are they putting at risk by staying?  Their equine charges.  I understand they didn't want to leave but they could have been making plans during all this time so when their last appeal was turned down, they would have plans.  What happens to the horses when they are evicted?

That's what I am worried about. I don't see the horses just being set free to run the streets of fort washington. They don't like me because I tell them the truth. I said all along this was going to happen and they listened to a few liars about saving it. Not happening. I hope they have a plan for when the authorities come.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 02:53:08 PM »

DIG A HOLE AND BURRY THEM ALL
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2010, 02:58:23 PM »

DIG A HOLE AND BURRY THEM ALL

Actually most of the people back there are good people. Its a very small group. that is giving them all a bad name. Seeing how they have handled this situation shows me exactly why no one wants a backstretch anymore. Basically any harness track now to be viable financially a backstretch is not part of the equation.
We ha vent raced in 2 years. But they want to continue their welfare state and suck off the teet. Well I am sorry but the teet is dry. There is no triple crown simulcast  racing at Rosecroft. There are a few hard core simulcast bettors that still come around but that's about it. And they aren't betting enough to support the BS ( pun intended)
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2010, 03:10:40 PM »

MAYBE MR RUSSEL N WAGNER WILL CHIP IN AND SAVE THEM. AFTER ALL THEIR THE REASON ROSECROFT DIED. USE TO HAVE 15K PEOPLE ON A SATURDAY NIGHT. BUT THEY GOT ROBBED AND ROBBED AND STOPPED COMING.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2010, 04:00:33 PM »

By the end of our last live meet the racing was very good and there are alot of people I will vouch for. Frank Milby the Offutt boys just to name a few. The clicks weren't so much anymore. If we ever race again I am sure the product will be first rate. Or I wouldn't be able to support it.  First rate as in integrity. I like crappy horses and bad drivers so that I hope will be part of it all  laughing guy
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2010, 05:58:01 PM »

I just recieved this email. I will not post who it is  from but it will say alot about what we are dealing with. Its a very tough situation.



IN MY OPINION, NOT THAT IT WOULD MATTER TO THE LIKES OF YOU .BUT YOU ARE DELUDED IF YOU THINK YOU WILL EVER SEE LIVE RACING HERE AGAIN... IT WONT HAPPEN BECAUSE IN MY OPINION THE PRESENT MANAGEMENT HAS OTHER PLANS FOR THIS PLACE... PERSONALLY YOU ALL HAVE MADE ME HATE ROSECROFT AND ITS ENTIRETY AND I CANT WAIT TO GET AWAY FROM HERE AND THE MARYLAND RACING INDUSTRY. I DO HOWEVER FEEL SORRY FOR MY FELLOW HORSEMAN & FRIENDS BACK HERE THAT HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO STAY IN MD AS SOON AS I FIND A WAY TO GET AWAY FROM HERE I WILL BE GONE AND IT WILL BE A COLD DAY IN #@^* BEFORE I EVER STEP BACK IN MD. AFTER THE WAY I SEE THEM MIS-USE & ABUSE HORSEMEN AND YOU CAN STOP HARASSING NANCY AND ART AS THEY AREN'T HERE ANY LONGER, AND GIVE WHO -EVER SAVE ROSECROFT IS, A MESSAGE FOR ME NONE AND I DO REPEAT NONE OF THE HORSEMAN BACK HERE HAS GIVEN THE TRACK WORKERS A HARD TIME THAT IS A BLATANT LIE!!!! BUT WHAT SHOULD I EXPECT FROM YOU PEOPLE!!!!! THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT I HAVE SEEN TAUNTS AND JEERS FROM ARE YOU PEOPLE!!!

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AND AS SOON AS I MANAGE TO GET AWAY FROM THIS PATHETIC PLACE ,,,, GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

REMEMBER ... WE DIDN'T DO THIS YOU & YOUR FRIENDS DID...
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2010, 07:22:49 PM »

Its interestign that when you are low man on the totem pole how they treat you....

Apparently the same person who wrote that email on a daily basis tells diffrerent people F**** Sparklenfade (obviously they use my real name)...  Like i have some real power and I'm single handedly doing this to them...

But here are the facts...

The backstretch horsemen agreed to an agreement with management to keep 100 horses at $150 a horse in 6 month increments. 1st 6 month not a problem 107 horses commitment, 2nd 6 month commitment period comes we can't even get 75... BUT they struck this deal with management because they said the backstretch could pay for itself, and 6 months into it, they couldn't live up to it...  1st letter is sent out in June with an eviction date of September, then a letter sent in July extending it to December...

Now horsemen are saying that horsemen were turned away... why would anyone want to rent stalls at Rosecroft to race at Chester, Pocconos or any other east coast track, unless you are in Maryland? its out of the way...  but what do i know...

In comes mark vogel who wants to buy this place and revive it.  The horsemen get him to meet with them and they talk him into an extention from December to May  and they state in this meeting with Vogel they will not fight the eviction in May they will leave...  So october letter is sent out with the May date along with one in Feb with may date...

So we are talking about 11 months now and we are still doing this...

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2010, 07:32:03 PM »

So we are talking about 11 months now and we are still doing this...

And they still think they are fighting the good fight. When the authorities come to evict  next week I hope they will go peacefully be a shame if a few of them got tazered.

The bottom line truth of the matter is some of them are not really horsemen. They couldn't train Lassie to piss on paper.  They have had a nice time living in a welfare state for years but unfortunately the sport is dying off. Me betting races can no longer pay for their no stall rent and not paying their rent. Some of them need to get a job at wal-mart or target. Someone needs to tell them that they aren't a horseperson.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2010, 09:38:15 PM »

I remember reading the Oxon Hill PD did a study and said 35% of all crimes committed in the area were due to the track being there. Violents crimes saw the biggest jump when the meet was live-something like 54%. Another old track is going to be gone. Well the drive to Dover isn't bad at least.
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2010, 11:07:03 PM »

The bottom line truth of the matter is some of them are not really horsemen. They couldn't train Lassie to piss on paper.  They have had a nice time living in a welfare state for years but unfortunately the sport is dying off. Me betting races can no longer pay for their no stall rent and not paying their rent. Some of them need to get a job at wal-mart or target. Someone needs to tell them that they aren't a horseperson.

It's not difficult to understand why they think of you as a prick.
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2010, 11:13:08 PM »

It's not difficult to understand why they think of you as a prick.

Yea telling the people the truth is so terrible. I am sorry the 20 year episode of fantasy island has to end.
Most like me. Its a very small group with a deep sense of entitlement that are the problem.
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2010, 11:21:30 PM »

I remember reading the Oxon Hill PD did a study and said 35% of all crimes committed in the area were due to the track being there. Violents crimes saw the biggest jump when the meet was live-something like 54%. Another old track is going to be gone. Well the drive to Dover isn't bad at least.

i definately don't buy that, specially living in the area.  wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that oxon hill is next to dc... they arrested 3 people in oxon hill responsible for a shooting in dc (had nothing to do with Rosecroft) about a month ago, and there was a shooting about half a mile from the track at a grocery store last week...  i guess they just needed to blame something...
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2010, 08:13:59 PM »

Hopefully the evictions start tomorrow.
Walmart is hiring and target.
I am told animal control will be called to care for the animals back there.
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2010, 07:24:43 AM »

I remember reading the Oxon Hill PD did a study and said 35% of all crimes committed in the area were due to the track being there. Violents crimes saw the biggest jump when the meet was live-something like 54%. Another old track is going to be gone. Well the drive to Dover isn't bad at least.
The Oxon Hill PD just needed someone to blame.You can all but guarantee those are fictitious numbers. I would think most crimes in the area are drug and/or gang related. No crack dealer gives a rats ass about a track.
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2010, 08:01:01 AM »

The problem with the situation as I see it is there are way to many "could be's" and "what if's" and "possibilities" tied to Maryland harness racing right now.

Every other week we hear rumors about a possible race meeting at Rosecroft, a possible meeting at Ocean Downs, race dates being transferred, lawsuits being filed, possible sales and all this does is give false hope to those who live and race in Maryland.

Let's face who wants to leave their homes and relocate?  Not many, but on the other hand harness racing can be a nomadic life.  A final decision on who will race, what dates and how long racing will continue needs to be made to avoid situations like this.

In a way I can't blame some as they have heard about false promises of race meets and Rosecroft re-opening.  On the other hand those same people have trusted the word of proven untrustworthy people.

Do Dover and Harrington allow Maryland people in to race?
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 12:15:05 PM »

The problem with the situation as I see it is there are way to many "could be's" and "what if's" and "possibilities" tied to Maryland harness racing right now.



Those all come from the people on the BS. Arthur and Nancy and the others who aren't horse people and need to put in applications at Target and wal-mart.
They can only lie for so long. If they had ability they wouldn't be trying to save a backstretch at a track that hasn't raced in 3 years. Sorry the welfare state has ended but it has. So deal with it. What they are doing to their horses is shameful.

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 02:30:57 PM »

3 wideandwingin is not a horseman. He is a close friend of the acting manager. Although Rosecroft has not had live racing for 2 years, he is still employed by Cloverleaf E.I. in the clubhouse. The horsemen still own the track, Mark Vogel has not purchased it or obtained a racing license. All the horsemen want is for the track to remain open as a training center until it is sold. Save Rosecroft is managements answer to Save harness racing at Rosecroft, which was put on facebook first by horsemen. If you really want factual & unbiased info about what is happening & has happened at RcR, google Mark Vogel Rosecroft & Rosecroft Raceway Maryland. Read & judge for yourself. You have not been given all of the facts.
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 04:58:32 PM »

My mistake! I meant Preserve Harness Racing at Rosecroft. The facebook page 3wide does not want you to visit. Don't know how anyone can come to a logical conclusion without knowing all the facts.  Also not sure 3wide is still working for the acting GM.  Sorry for the inconvience, but I want to be accurate.   
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2010, 12:12:24 AM »

Real accurate. Clown.
At least the deadbeats had to pay $8,000.00 for their latest 10 days. That will end soon enough. Hope you chipped in on that one sparky.

I am not allowed to post on that fraud site. It is the same 3 people spreading lies over and over. Why do the deadbeat horseman want to stay where they aren't wanted? Most need to get jobs. Only 1 or 2 back there are even horseman or can train lassie to piss on paper. They let the backstretch fall into disrepair. They didn't even care enough to clean up shit or put a coat of paint on anything. But now after 20 years when their free ride is over they are crying like babies. Don't worry the deadbeats wont pay the $8,000.00 for 10 days but a few times. Most need to get real jobs and the few real horseman need to relocate.
Sorry for the inconvenience of some truth laughing guy
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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2010, 12:19:10 AM »

UA  I never claimed to be a horseman. I have always tried to deal in facts. Its you and your friends back there who spread lies. No one reads that PREVENT live racing site but you and your 2 buddies the only ones who post there.

The horseman don't own the track. CEI does. That's not the horseman. That's CEI  bang head bang head bang head bang head
At least you are being yourself this time on this forum and not trying to portray yourself as someone else. I hope you put up some of the $8,000.00.
Now here comes the best of the best part. My absolute favorite part for the lieing free loaders.

ex·clude (k-skld)
tr.v. ex·clud·ed, ex·clud·ing, ex·cludes
1. To prevent from entering; keep out; bar: a jar sealed to exclude outside air; an immigration policy that excludes undesirables.
2. To prevent from being included, considered, or accepted; reject: The court excluded the improperly obtained evidence.
3. To put out; expel.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2010, 12:31:28 AM »

Hey UA didn't your trainer state publicly that all they care about is making CEI spend more money on lawyers? How does that help RCR reopen? Why don't you guys want to ever see live racing again?

Why did you guys support the thoroughbreds in trying to block slots at arundel mall? You want to never get a dime?

Its really sad. Just so everyone knows this is a very small group of squatters who refuse to leave. The majority of good hard working people are not trying to suck the last life out of the track. These people only want to do that.
 But now that have to pay money. Which for 20 years they didn't have to. Hopefully they will leave and find someplace they are wanted. Or can find some other welfare system to use/abuse that wont prevent me from seeing live racing.
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2010, 09:15:40 AM »

The page Save Rosecroft, was made to help with the legislative session.  My best friend who has nothing to do with harness racing or the contraversy or anything related suggested it to me as i was ont he phone with her explaining what we were doing in Annapolis.   It had nothing to do with competing against Preserve Harness Racing at Rosecroft, which by the way has nothing to do with preserving harness racing and more to do with saving the backstretch. The same group at Preserve also raised their hands and admitted that if the backstretch was closing the entire facility should be closed.  Management at Rosecroft knew nothing of the Save Rosecroft page, and if you had paid attention it overall had very little to do with the drama over the backstretch until recently, when instead of censoring 3W i let them stay up.

The sad part is the hatred that is flowing from the backstretch. 

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