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« on: April 11, 2010, 04:26:22 PM »

Anybody recognize the driver and track?
http://173.12.230.42/jw04-07511.jpg
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2010, 07:04:25 PM »

1/2 mile track. Is it Maywood?
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 08:32:26 PM »

 I've no clue of identity of either.

 This photo is one of four listed on eBay. This one is at least twenty years later than the other three.

 It has been suggested that the "bike" shown in an all-metal Nassau from the 70's.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 09:03:09 PM »

I clicked on the photo and zoomed in but still can't read the name on the helmet. Must be old though, the overcheck has a leather piece that attaches to the waterhook instead of a snap. Been a long time since i saw one of those.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2010, 09:05:38 PM »

MIGHT BE FREEHOLD !!
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2010, 09:10:12 PM »

1/2 mile track. Is it Maywood?

you sure it is a half?  it looks like vernon downs. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2010, 09:15:11 PM »

8 HORSE FIELDS AT THAT TRACK
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2010, 09:17:04 PM »

I've no clue of identity of either.

 This photo is one of four listed on eBay. This one is at least twenty years later than the other three.

 It has been suggested that the "bike" shown in an all-metal Nassau from the 70's.
I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT ALL 4, BUT CAN'T FIND THEM ON E BAY.
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2010, 09:17:29 PM »

no clue
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2010, 09:20:10 PM »

It wasn't Freehold because the track was lit up.  Could it be Roosevelt Raceway?
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2010, 09:20:43 PM »

It could be Yonkers.
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2010, 09:24:54 PM »

I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT ALL 4, BUT CAN'T FIND THEM ON E BAY.
FOUND IT, AND ASKED THE SELLER IF THEY KNOW THE LOCATION !
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2010, 09:25:26 PM »

It wasn't Freehold because the track was lit up.  Could it be Roosevelt Raceway?
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2010, 09:35:12 PM »

It wasn't Freehold because the track was lit up.  Could it be Roosevelt Raceway?

Not YR or RR - they didn't have horse #/race # on saddle pad - only horse #.
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 09:47:24 PM »

I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT ALL 4, BUT CAN'T FIND THEM ON E BAY.

 eBay link scroll down the page to see the others
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2010, 09:49:24 PM »

That is definately Maywood Park
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2010, 09:53:03 PM »

That is definately Maywood Park
Yes it is.....We were discussing it at ITS some of  the guesses Don Bussee, Jim Dolbee, Carmen Alessi, Banks(too thin) , George Conley, reins in the left hand.  Your guess is as good as ours.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2010, 09:57:55 PM »

Yes it is.....We were discussing it at ITS some of  the guesses Don Bussee, Jim Dolbee, Carmen Alessi, Banks(too thin) , George Conley, reins in the left hand.  Your guess is as good as ours.
That's a Nance 8 claimer winning the FFA at Maywood, learn the game laddies....

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2010, 10:00:14 PM »

That's a Nance 8 claimer winning the FFA at Maywood, learn the game laddies....

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    laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy Based on the sulky etc...Pre-Nance...Damn, I forgot there was no racing before the Nances. screwy screwy screwy
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2010, 10:04:17 PM »

8 HORSE FIELDS AT THAT TRACK

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2010, 10:10:42 PM »

    laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy Based on the sulky etc...Pre-Nance...Damn, I forgot there was no racing before the Nances. screwy screwy screwy
No records back then, won them all. Learn the game. Stop thinking and buy the numbers laddie.
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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2010, 10:11:24 PM »

I know the colors don't match but it looks an awful lot like Walter Paisley.
Couldn't be qualifiers though because all the lights are on.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 10:23:11 PM »

George Conley,James H Walker; no photo's of either to compare.

Connel Willis, I've a 1970 USTA publicity Photo and he helmet was a solid-mid-dark color with an italics "C.W." above the brim in large letters.

Dolbee (I've a 77 USTA publicity photo and his helmet was different,)

Don Busse (via a 1970 USTA Publicity photo, Don's helmet was painted in eigh spheres dark-light-dark

CARMEN ALESSI, I've an 82 winner cricle and he looks quite different.

Stan Banks, Ive a 77 USTA Publicity Photo and a 1983 of his 3,000 win and he was quite heavier his helmet was nearly all white with a large letter above the brim)
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2010, 10:27:14 PM »

I know the colors don't match but it looks an awful lot like Walter Paisley.
Couldn't be qualifiers though because all the lights are on.

 I've a few photo's of Walter at various times and wearing three different helmets, none of which were that color.

 He did wear an early helmet similar with inverted colors. Walters early helmet was white and with those black line seperators.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2010, 10:41:43 PM »

Who's this guy  ??   laughing guy

http://images.marketplaceadvisor.channeladvisor.com/fullView.asp?id=251166074&fc=0&img=http://www.mapsphotos.net/ggbain/landscape/main/ggbain02315u.jpg
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2010, 02:52:49 AM »

Must be old though, the overcheck has a leather piece that attaches to the waterhook instead of a snap. Been a long time since i saw one of those.

When was the last time anyone saw thimbles?
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2010, 06:17:50 AM »

The track looks bigger than a half but the final time is very slow...I'm guessing that's Liberty Bell.
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2010, 06:38:22 AM »

It's absolutely Maywood.
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2010, 06:47:04 AM »

I know you are saying it is Maywood but it looks a lot like Liberty Bell and Joe Scorsone.
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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2010, 10:15:54 AM »

Received a private reply that it was Northville Downs and Carl Putnam (didn't say if it was Sr., (died 1976) or Jr.,
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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 10:31:56 AM »

It's Maywood Park and it IS Carmen Alessi.
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2010, 10:47:54 AM »

This old thread provides a bio on Carmen Alessi from 1974 USTA Handbook.

This reply on same thread provides two photo's of Carmen from 1982

A driect link to one of the photo's
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2010, 12:57:02 PM »

It's Maywood Park and it IS Carmen Alessi.
I believe your are correct  its Maywood for sure
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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2010, 01:13:29 PM »

eBay link scroll down the page to see the others

BTW, the other three images:

1) Greyhound and Vernor "Dooley" Putnam.
2-3) Good Time and Frank Ervin at Good Time Park in 1952. The text description states "workout" and perhaps it was a qualifier, as horses don't generally wear head-numbers in workouts.
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2010, 01:22:17 PM »

Yes, my first guess was right. Sweet!
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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2010, 01:35:41 PM »

Received a private reply that it was Northville Downs and Carl Putnam (didn't say if it was Sr., (died 1976) or Jr.

 Hate to burst the Alessi/Mayood bubble, however I've received replies from multiple Mich folks that this is Carl Putnam Jr., and the track is Northville (note the opening in the fence, which is where the old ramp used to be located and where the horses crossed Seven Mile and Sheldon Roads from the old holding barns.

 I don't have any photo's of Carl, however as many times as I've seen him close up and the name brought the vivid recollection of his face, the photo is definitely he.

 Many thanks for all the replies and everybody's efforts to help ID this photo.
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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2010, 03:43:31 PM »

It's Maywood Park and it IS Carmen Alessi.
YOU ARE 1000000% CORRECT.
HORSES NAME IS "RIN TIM TIM" AND PHOTO WAS TAKEN ON APRIL 5TH 1978
END OF STORY !!
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