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Author Topic: IRB MEETING AT MAYWOOD 4/13/06  (Read 2152 times)
emp
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« on: March 14, 2006, 09:35:17 AM »

1 month away..... start making plans everyone. Maybe everyone should take a day off by boycotting 'the box' and bringing anyone and everyone to the meeting.

As they say there's 'power in numbers'!!!!

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http://www.state.il.us/agency/irb/

Upcoming Meetings:

The March board meeting has been cancelled.

The next Board Meeting is scheduled for Thursday,
      April 13, 2006 at Maywood Park Racetrack
      8600 North Avenue, Melrose Park, IL.
      Time and room to be announced.
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2006, 07:31:35 PM »

Thursday, April 13, 2006 at Maywood Park
8600 North Avenue, Melrose Park, IL
Windy City Room at 5:30 PM
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2006, 01:44:18 PM »

There will be a meeting of the Illinois Racing Board on THURSDAY, APRIL 13, 2006 at MAYWOOD PARK RACETRACK, Windy City Room, 8600 W. North Avenue, Maywood, Illinois, starting at 5:30 p.m. The meeting is open to the public.

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1. Request submitted by HAWTHORNE RACE COURSE, INC. and SUBURBAN DOWNS, INC. for approval of racing officials.

2. Request submitted by NATIONAL JOCKEY CLUB for approval of a racing official.

3. Request submitted by ARLINGTON PARK RACECOURSE, LLC for approval of racing officials.

4. Request submitted by FAIRMOUNT PARK, INC. for approval of racing officials.

5. Request submitted by FAIRMOUNT PARK, INC. for approval of their 2006 stakes schedule.

6. Request submitted by staff to amend rule 603.60(a)(3)(4)(5), Permitted Use of Foreign Substances and Threshold Levels, to establish a penalty structure for two non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, flunixin and ketoprofen.

7. Request submitted by ARLINGTON PARK RACECOURSE, LLC to amend rule 315, Match Rival.

8. Request submitted by ARLINGTON PARK RACECOURSE, LLC to initiate rulemaking authorizing the “Exacta Double” wager and the “Win, Place Show Pick (n)” wager.

9. Race Meet Status Report.

10. Commissioner Comments.

11. Approval of Board Meeting Minutes.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2006, 02:46:04 PM »

With that agenda, the meeting should last all of 15 minutes. Then the commissioners will be repairing to their favorite watering hole for a few libations.

 
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2006, 02:57:11 PM »

Acording to Roberts rules of order; There is supposed to be a spot on the agenda for citizens comments. I have a copy of Roberts Rules and I will look this up prior to the meeting.
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2006, 03:36:13 PM »

Hell at those IRB  meetings they wont let ANYBODY talk!!
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emp
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2006, 10:31:16 PM »

Acording to Roberts rules of order; There is supposed to be a spot on the agenda for citizens comments. I have a copy of Roberts Rules and I will look this up prior to the meeting.

This may answer your question Honest1.... remember this is Illinois.
http://www.ag.state.il.us/government/openmeet.pdf
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2006, 10:42:47 PM »

There will be a meeting of the Illinois Racing Board on THURSDAY, APRIL 13, 2006 at MAYWOOD PARK RACETRACK, Windy City Room, 8600 W. North Avenue, Maywood, Illinois, starting at 5:30 p.m. The meeting is open to the public.

AGENDA
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1. Request submitted by HAWTHORNE RACE COURSE, INC. and SUBURBAN DOWNS, INC. for approval of racing officials.

2. Request submitted by NATIONAL JOCKEY CLUB for approval of a racing official.

3. Request submitted by ARLINGTON PARK RACECOURSE, LLC for approval of racing officials.

4. Request submitted by FAIRMOUNT PARK, INC. for approval of racing officials.

5. Request submitted by FAIRMOUNT PARK, INC. for approval of their 2006 stakes schedule.

6. Request submitted by staff to amend rule 603.60(a)(3)(4)(5), Permitted Use of Foreign Substances and Threshold Levels, to establish a penalty structure for two non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, flunixin and ketoprofen.

7. Request submitted by ARLINGTON PARK RACECOURSE, LLC to amend rule 315, Match Rival.

8. Request submitted by ARLINGTON PARK RACECOURSE, LLC to initiate rulemaking authorizing the “Exacta Double” wager and the “Win, Place Show Pick (n)” wager.

9. Race Meet Status Report.

10. Commissioner Comments.

11. Approval of Board Meeting Minutes.

Maybe they should add #12, Request submitted to IBI and IRB to look into the use of Aranesp by Chicago trainers and vets.

   And #13, Request submitted by racing public for an explanation to why Ken Ruckers 6 gout positives seem to have disappeared. 
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2006, 10:05:32 AM »

Friday Thursday the 13th!
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2006, 09:46:07 PM »

Everyone who owns, Trains, Drives, Rubs, shoes, Medicates, Sells Hay Straw, or tack should be there!   
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2006, 11:07:22 PM »

Everyone who owns, Trains, Drives, Rubs, shoes, Medicates, Sells Hay Straw, or tack should be there! 

To do what? Dispute racing officials at Hawthorne and NJC, and the Fairmount stakes schedule?
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2006, 11:21:05 PM »

To send a MESSAGE that we are not going to take their crap any longer!
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2006, 11:32:06 PM »

To send a MESSAGE that we are not going to take their crap any longer!

Show up and behave like a mindless mob, then? Disrupt the proceedings with a bunch of crap to demonstrate you're not going to take any more unspecified crap? Just walk in and sit there quietly making angry faces like a bunch of lumps? Why don't you try getting something specific on the agenda instead, Mr. Rules of Order?
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 12:01:18 AM »

How about # 9  Race meet status report ,what is that?                       Do they want a report on handle? Do yhey get a report from The Johnsons on how they need a bigger cut from the purses,  from the horsepeople on howwe can't hardly afford to stay in Illinois and race for these purses? ,How management has managed to run so many good people out of horseracing? How the IRB has not done enough to test for very well known drugs and race enhancers?  imo. It seems to me that if someone who had a question or comment, suggestion, maybe that is an opportunity to get in a few cracks at them!  just an idea!
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 01:13:55 AM »

It seems to me that if someone who had a question or comment, suggestion, maybe that is an opportunity to get in a few cracks at them!  just an idea!

I don't think IRB meetings take questions and comments from the peanut gallery. They aren't town hall meetings. Unless you are on the agenda you are allowed to observe that's all.
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2006, 07:04:02 AM »

 Hey tm fan , thanx for the reply, I guess for the most part I was just venting.    But I guess the question still stands for me anyway, What is the race track status report about?    Is it only to certify the "Recapture"?,  does that mean that they support it? Here's my status report...... thumbs down.     Maybe Heede Knows!
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2006, 08:25:17 AM »

Tonyfan, Your views are very simular to our past IHHA president so with that in mind he was able to accomplish what ? Yes under his tenure we fell behind over 16 million in the purse recapture. My Question is what would it hurt to intimadate these people. I am sure others have gone and tried to speak! And I am sure they were called out of order. Being afraid to try somthing new is whats wrong with this industry. Your Hero ruined Illinois racing for his own benefit then he ran to a venue that has slots. Mark my words he will follow in Ledfords foot prints! If the IRB has passed the policy to follow Roberts rules of order they must have a citizen comments on the ajenda. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2006, 08:41:02 AM »

Tonyfan, Your views are very simular to our past IHHA president so with that in mind he was able to accomplish what ? Yes under his tenure we fell behind over 16 million in the purse recapture. My Question is what would it hurt to intimadate these people. I am sure others have gone and tried to speak! And I am sure they were called out of order. Being afraid to try somthing new is whats wrong with this industry. Your Hero ruined Illinois racing for his own benefit then he ran to a venue that has slots. Mark my words he will follow in Ledfords foot prints! If the IRB has passed the policy to follow Roberts rules of order they must have a citizen comments on the ajenda.

honest1 I thought you were one of the smarter ones here, but I see as soon as there's any debate you start right in with the same off-topic "attack" type arguments as any other goof. Tony Morgan has nothing to do with whether or not you can speak at an IRB meeting, or what you hope to accomplish by having a bunch of people show up at an IRB meeting without a specific item on the agenda.

Go right ahead. Show up en masse and try to "intimidate" the IRB with no clear agenda or topic or plan. See if I care. What are you trying to intimidate them into doing? Do you even know? Dumb "plans" like that are what's got the horsemen where they are.
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2006, 08:49:23 AM »

Hey tm fan , thanx for the reply, I guess for the most part I was just venting.    But I guess the question still stands for me anyway, What is the race track status report about?    Is it only to certify the "Recapture"?,  does that mean that they support it? Here's my status report...... thumbs down

I think all they do with the race meet status report is the track operators say how the meet is going. Things like handle numbers and whether there's purse overpayment or underpayment. Like that. You can see if you go to the meeting.

Recapture certification is its own item on some IRB meeting agenda. If they personally support it has nothing to do with anything. Recapture is the law made in Springfield. IRB's job is to administer the racing law. All they do is say "Yes this the right amount", or "No, that's the wrong amount", according to the handle numbers. They can't change recapture.

Some more informed posters like Thomas Graham might have more to add or corrections to make.
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2006, 08:53:56 AM »

Tonymfan,
What do you suggest we do? Grin
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2006, 08:56:22 AM »

Honest 1,
Educate me, where did 16mil come from? Do we still owe that or is that what we gave up last year?
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2006, 08:59:25 AM »

Sitting back and doing nothing accomplishes just that, nothing! If you have ideas and comments that might help our industry, ANY and all ideas should be voiced, not slammed as if the dog crapped on the bed.   I admit that some ideas are not the best , but all ideas should at least be heard,  What's yours tmf?   How do we help the industry and still praise Tony Morgan at Dover at the same time? Maybe you should listen to some other viewpoints w/o slamming just as we do when you go on with your weekly Tony update ? JMO < BOBCAT
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2006, 09:08:13 AM »

Tonymfan,
What do you suggest we do? Grin

It's hard for individuals to get on the agenda. Don't know if I ever saw that at any meeting I ever watched. Horsemen officials can get on the agenda. What might work is put together some specific ideas or proposals that are something the IRB has the power to address, and get your duly elected IHHA representatives to get them on the agenda for IRB discusssion. For instance if there's a concern about how long it takes to get appeals on the docket, have them address that. General purpose *** session isn't going to fly.

Showing up and yelling at the IRB or embarrassing them or disrupting their meeting or whatever it is that honest1 proposes might make you feel a little better for a couple days, but it's not going to do anything but make the IRB commissioners have bad feelings about horsemen.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2006, 09:14:30 AM »

Honest 1,
Educate me, where did 16mil come from? Do we still owe that or is that what we gave up last year?

It must be a deferred total over the years. The yearly figure is nowhere near that.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2006, 09:16:49 AM »

Maybe you should listen to some other viewpoints w/o slamming

That's fine, what's the viewpoint? That you're going to show up at the IRB meeting with no real purpose in mind? Have fun.
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2006, 12:13:01 AM »

I never said go in there with no idea or just general ***. I sit on the city council and there is a intimadation factor of a large crowd. I said if they as a commission have passed a policy they have to follow that policy! I am not going to sit back and watch this industry fail, I have met with Rod Blogo the Gov. of this state I have had many sit downs with state legislators and if I have to I will run for office my self. I am not the problem I am part of the solution! This is the time for all horseman to have a backbone stand up and let everyone know we wont be ignored anymore! I am glad you have an Idol and have tried to be respectfull, I have been in this business all my 45 years I was good freinds of Greg Morgan and Uncle Tom Morgan Very good people! Tony may be one of the best drivers ever but he has never drove for me and I would scratch before he did.     
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2006, 09:50:58 AM »

I never said go in there with no idea or just general ***. I sit on the city council and there is a intimadation factor of a large crowd. I said if they as a commission have passed a policy they have to follow that policy! I am not going to sit back and watch this industry fail, I have met with Rod Blogo the Gov. of this state I have had many sit downs with state legislators and if I have to I will run for office my self. I am not the problem I am part of the solution! This is the time for all horseman to have a backbone stand up and let everyone know we wont be ignored anymore! I am glad you have an Idol and have tried to be respectfull, I have been in this business all my 45 years I was good freinds of Greg Morgan and Uncle Tom Morgan Very good people! Tony may be one of the best drivers ever but he has never drove for me and I would scratch before he did.     

I repeat, Tony Morgan has nothing to do with this argument. If my screen name was jesuscfan Jesus Christ would have nothing to do with it either.

I agree with you a large crowd has an intimidation effect. I have seen it at my own city council. It normally happens when an important issue is on the agenda. What issue on the current agenda are you rallying the troops to support or oppose? The new wagers at Arlington? All I've seen here is "we're not going to take the crap anymore" and "we won't be ignored anymore".

Why didn't you rally the troops to attend a meeting that really meant something on some specific issue and intimidate the comissioners there, like the dates hearing? What makes this meeting "the most important ever", other than it's at Maywood and horsemen don't have to expend too much effort to attend?

Good luck on hoping the IRB has a comment session without bothering to find out ahead of time what the meeting policy is. I never saw one at any IRB meetings I watched. Good luck on your rally.
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2006, 03:36:57 PM »

I realize there is nothing specific on the agenda, and maybe thats good because maybe the thaught would be we will be at all the meetings when there are topics that apply to us. Thank you with wishing us luck. Frustration sets in and we really need to do things differently.I think we need to have contact with the members of the racing board, because we are portrayed as dumb hillbillies.
I would like to collect letters from all horseman stating how much money they put into the state economy each year. I will forward them to all state reps and hand deliver them to the gov.with a signed petition for eliminating recapture. Joe 
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2006, 10:01:50 PM »

What happened to the intimidating horsemen presence at the meeting? The pictures posted by EMP showed mostly empty seats with a few suits.
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