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« on: March 04, 2010, 06:41:13 PM »

RRace-Fixing Claims Probed At 3 Michigan Tracks
Swartz Creek's 'Sports Creek Raceway' Being Investigated By MSP, Gaming Control Board

http://www.wnem.com/news/22744612/detail.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 06:44:10 PM »

when the purse are lower than shit,,,the next best income is fix a race,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 06:53:50 PM »

Wowie Zowie.

This is not good.  Not good at all.
It was an Associated Press Release, I found it everywhere.  Thanks Blue Chip (I think).
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 07:06:18 PM »

sorry look now
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 07:09:31 PM »

same report in Det paper

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100304/SPORTS07/3040588/1361/Race-fixing-claims-investigated-at-three-Michigan-tracks

good find BLUE CHIP   thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 07:28:20 PM »

30 People are being investigated.  ORC is involved too.
The community in Michigan isn't that big!  Lordy Lordy   head shake head shake

Is the newly installed Gaming and Control Board flexing their muscles?
Is this motivated and nurtured by the casinos to black-eye and eliminate live horse racing?
Did the old and now abolished Racing Commission know about this?
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 07:57:58 PM »

any chance some of these people race at bal,or  maywood
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2010, 08:37:57 PM »

any chance this was in an amatuer driver event??
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2010, 09:04:12 PM »

First off?
 Doesn't this PR seem to be a coincidence on the heels of the arrest of two bookies?

 In the early 80's there was some real "boat races" going on at Mich tracks. Three drivers were suspended for a year, Charlie Smith (RIP), Ron W---n and I believe the other was Clay F----t Sr.
 It wasn't really fair to those three to be singled out as many others were utilizing the same skills.

 A few years later in the late 80's was Pat Edwards. I'm not sure what the final outcome was for Mr. Edwards, however the newspapers sure plastered the pages.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2010, 09:14:54 PM »

Now this is a good example as a follow up to my comments yesterday about slamming people other than just that other website for being a negative on harness racing.

here is my take...like it or not  Wink

When these names are released and if they are found guilty, these people should be absolutely hammered on here for being a detriment and embarrassment to the sport. Each and every one of them...owners, trainers, drivers...grooms...I don't care who they are or what their positions are...there should be non-stop postings about this group and they should be pressured and hammered for the disgrace that they are. And again I say IF they are found guilty of something. There should be no letting up on them, because this is just as much of a black eye to the sport than any website could EVER be.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2010, 09:17:43 PM »

Did the old and now abolished Racing Commission know about this?

 The few folks left employed were moved from Livonia to Lansing some years back and have simply become overwhelmed with "Lansing way" of policy and procedures.
 I recall a retired employee explaining to me how he had to go outside to use the telephone because everybody in the very large office (divided by cubicle's) could hear the phone calls. It seems the echoes were an office joke.

 The ORC really lost their effectiveness when this location removed staff from the racing.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2010, 09:31:22 PM »

here is my take...like it or not  Wink

 NOT Wink

 Free,
         Horsemen are a community, most of which see each other multiple times in a day.

 In Mich, there isn't enough money in the wagering pools to generate ROI for race-fixing.
 As a result, what's the benefit in fixing a race?
 Where are the innocents that are being deceived? (New wagering public are not filling the tracks)

 There are what may be perceived as "boat races" to many people of the general public because they don't don't fully comprehend the abilities or limitations of horses during a race.
 Very rarely (at any track) these days, do we see holes tightened up by a gaping horse when a horse comes up first-over. In the old days, the tightening of holes and getting hung-out was a fact-of-life. The nature of racing has simply changed.

 Reinsmen are placed in more political atmosphere than the old days, when they remained committed to specific stables, horses and owners.

 These two PR's are simply scandal on the heels of the pending announcements for the upcoming ballot proposals.
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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2010, 10:01:34 PM »

The Mi-HHA on their website, offers their monthly meeting minutes.

 The following excerpt from Feb 2010 meeting.

 Sports Creek:  The meet ended on 2/7/10.  For 34 programs, average daily live handle was $38,753 for 15-16 races per card (only 12 races on 1/3) compared to $34,985 for the November 2008 through February 2009 30‑day meet, with 10-16 races per card.
 end of quote

 That's approximately $2,500 per race, which includes WPS and exotics.
 Now somebody please tell me where's the profit in a BIG conspiracy?

 Northville does a larger handle, as does Hazel Park, however neither still offer a POT large enough to benefit the previously suggested quantity of conspirators
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2010, 10:55:57 PM »

hey Wilderness!!  thumbs up

Thanks for the comments. I am not at all saying that it is a smart thing to do, or worthwhile or that the reward would be greater than the risk. I am not even saying that these people are guilty.

What I am saying is- if any of these people are found guilty, they should get blasted non-stop for a long duration of time for being a "negative" and a "black eye" on the sport. There has been much talk lately on here about things being "bad for the sport" and if these people, where search warrants were executed today, are found guilty of a crime...I am going to be deeply interested in seeing if posters on here remain consistent and bash these people endlessly.

By the way, search warrants are generally not executed without a pretty rock-solid reason, so my guess is that they have SOMETHING on these people. We shall see.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 12:04:22 AM »

Think that the article may be a bit premature...Why put it out there when "authorities say they believe "
Irregular betting patterns, tris, exs without favorites...type of pay-outs, etc.
Not making any comment or forming an opinion on this STORY .  Will wait for it to become a story..
However, if this is substantiated and some or all of the parties plead or are found guilty then I agree throw the book at them.   
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 12:27:34 AM »

Noc
using a word like "believe" is just a way for media and/or authorities to get around coming out and saying "this happened" or anything else that could jeopardize an investigation. Authorities "believe" it happened until they are in court and can "show" that it happened. Once again, they need to provide a lot of specific info to get a search warrant granted. Before a judge is going to issue a warrant, these cops/investigators need to be able to say...
here is exactly what we will be looking for
this is why we know it exists
here is why we believe it is at one of these locations
and when we find this, it will build a case that a crime was committed

If there wasn't a search warrant issues, I would agree with you...but I think in this case there were 3 warrants...they have something, IMO.

I hope you won tons of cash tonight, buddy.   thumbs up thumbs up
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 12:34:00 AM »

Noc
using a word like "believe" is just a way for media and/or authorities to get around coming out and saying "this happened" or anything else that could jeopardize an investigation. Authorities "believe" it happened until they are in court and can "show" that it happened. Once again, they need to provide a lot of specific info to get a search warrant granted. Before a judge is going to issue a warrant, these cops/investigators need to be able to say...
here is exactly what we will be looking for
this is why we know it exists
here is why we believe it is at one of these locations
and when we find this, it will build a case that a crime was committed

If there wasn't a search warrant issues, I would agree with you...but I think in this case there were 3 warrants...they have something, IMO.

I hope you won tons of cash tonight, buddy.   thumbs up thumbs up
did pretty  good...I did make some running pic 3s and had a few nice exs. Of course would have love to have hit the pick 6 or at least the 5/6...would have had the 5/6 if Brennan doesn't snap TT at wire or Orange Crush gets Refocus moving a little sooner...Oh well...At least I am seeing the right picks pretty well now..Hopefully, it continues for my sojurn to Vegas starting next Tuesday...
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 06:39:57 AM »

I read what FL and Noc wrote about the importance of this issue.  FL's tying it back to what he posted about on the "Holy Grail thread".  I hope outrage is posted once all the facts come out in this case.  I also hope this isn't just a witch hunt and a bunch of he said/she said scenarios.  I have zip, nada, no information about all this; probably because I'm sitting behind the computer!  LOL.

[ See next post ... found a a new press release]
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 07:08:51 AM »

NEW YORK TIMES -- TODAY
Inquiry Into Race Fixing in Michigan

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 5, 2010


As many as 30 horse owners, drivers, trainers and gamblers conspired to predetermine the outcome of certain harness races at three Michigan tracks, authorities said. The Michigan State Police and the Michigan Gaming Control Board executed search warrants Thursday at three southeastern Michigan homes as part of an investigation into fraudulent wagering at the tracks that could lead to felony charges.

The police say the case involves races at Hazel Park Harness Raceway in Detroit, Northville Downs in Northville, Mich., and Sports Creek Raceway in Swartz Creek, Mich. The tracks themselves are not under investigation.

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Slightly different story than March 4. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 07:18:35 AM »

[NOWAY] NICE TRY  MAKE SOME CALLS YOU WILL FIND OUT SOON.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 07:37:06 AM »

[NOWAY] NICE TRY  MAKE SOME CALLS YOU WILL FIND OUT SOON.

Blue Chip -- I'm afraid to know more!  When people are ready to talk, they will.
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 07:50:04 AM »

GOOD ONE
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 11:16:14 AM »

A buddy who still looks at *** just informed me that Michigan Dale posted on the other site and is complaining about the state investigating race fixing.
This guy sure is showing his true colors.
Mr. Integiry and class.NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like he is in bed with more scum.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 04:19:52 PM »

I wonder how well the great Michigan Dale knows these blights on our sport???
Friends, aquantainces.........
You know he's all about class and integrity.
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 05:15:54 PM »

The rats and scum always seem to find each other. I am sure he regrets making so many enemies by associating with the sewer now.
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