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« on: March 08, 2006, 07:56:50 PM »

Did anyone see the girl hand  Sears a ticket in the winners circle after the 2nd race.

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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 08:01:50 PM »

nobody especially B.S. would be that foolish...
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 08:35:15 PM »

I'm with you Heede, bet it wasn't a phone no.
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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2006, 09:20:29 PM »

Don't get excited. The gal hands a stick of chewing gum to each winning driver, when she can.
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2006, 09:35:33 PM »

Don't get excited. The gal hands a stick of chewing gum to each winning driver, when she can.
No driver, especially a 16 million in purse driver is going to grab a ticket that obviously in front of people on live tv. I am sure they are brighter than that...hopefully!  light bulb
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2006, 09:46:23 PM »

I don't care if they give him crack and kiddie porn.  The guy can drive and it never ceases to amaze me that they will bet Pierce and Miller and the other goofs when he has the same type of horse.  Race 8 is a classic example of that.
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2006, 12:54:06 AM »

Even if she did give him a ticket or money, theres nothing illegal about that. What, your not allowed to tip someone for a job well done?
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 01:13:34 AM »

its a known fact that the lady that holds the horses iin the winners circle brings candy for all the drivers!!! she has been doing it for years, i believe there was even an article about her awhile back on the usta's site!!
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 01:18:11 AM »

              That was'nt any stick of gum or candy . the woman in the picture gave him cash folded up or a ticket .            RTP
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 03:30:13 AM »

I would imagine that it would be stupid by anymeans to accept something immediately after anything in sports, say that guy in football who is a showoff, catches a touchdown and then jumps into the stands and somebody shoves an envelope into his hand...Of course it will be made a spectacle of...These are not rookies we are talking about and even rookies would not fall for that one... Though the pithcher giving the ball to the firstbaseman during a meeting on the mound with a man on first is a good one!
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 03:37:45 AM »

Ray Howard, Longtime Chicago owner and good guy!!!!, Always buys the driver a $100 win and $100 place ticket and hands it over to him right in the winners circle!!!!
He's been going it for years!!!


P.S. Rays angle is that if the horse gets beat and finishes 2nd theres no trip to the winners circle to hand that place bet to the driver so Ray just cashes that ticket himself and gets his money back for the win ticket!!!

"Thats Pirate Rip, In front!!!"
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 03:56:38 AM »

I cant imagine that the race track condones that type of "goings on"...
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 09:20:22 AM »

Hey SN
I remember when I gave Holiday a Tip in the winners circle and Buscrat and TD were standing there and said"all he did was sit behind him for 2 minutes and we rubbed him all week" "what about us?"

Ah the good old days.................................
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2006, 09:50:45 AM »

its nice to see sn post again, hear so much about you, both the good and the not so, but your knowledge from the inside and the past helps forum members realize what the game is all about .. i remember when a local bookmaker privately bought a horse from a terrible trainer and told the driver...jeff james.. that the horse would improve by 5 seconds in his first start for his new connxtions.. all mr james said was bet 200 on me before the windows open so he could see it on the 'tote' board and to kind of inform the 'public' what was going on.. needless to say mr lop went on to win by 15-20 lengths his first of 10 in a row... and the bookie went on to cash 30-40 grand on the race .. at least the driver deserved a ticket ot two
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 10:29:52 AM »

Maybe it was her phone number?

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2006, 02:28:21 PM »

Owners can go broke buying tickets because horses lose more then they win. What all owners should do if they are not " cheap skates " is give the driver/trainer/groom all a tip. The tips should reflect the size of the purse that is won by the owner. For example, if the winning owner gets 7K he should tip each $300. If he gets 10 to 15K he should tip them $400 each. Above 15K $500 each. If the owner gets $1,500 or $2,000 or $3,000 racing in Chicago these days he should tip $50. That's it!
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2006, 02:57:56 PM »

Dan,

I have seen Ray Howard give the tickets to his drivers right when he shakes their hand.  There is nothing wrong with giving tips to drivers and trainers and grooms but I feel its inappropriate to give a winning ticket to them in the winners circle while thousands of people are watching across the world; its just looks fishy to the common horseplayer!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2006, 03:06:08 PM »

  A guy I work with has a horse, it won last Saturday and paid $33.00, but he wasn't even there to bet on him. What a shame.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2006, 03:13:14 PM »

oosting has been slipping  cash to his girlfriend , come to think of it, a lot of people have been slipping her a buck or two
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2006, 12:26:59 AM »

I have seen the winning drivers get handed a envelope on occassion
from both winners circle attendants at the meadowlands and freehold.
Like to know whats in the envelope. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2006, 08:35:10 AM »

Don't get excited. The gal hands a stick of chewing gum to each winning driver, when she can.

Absolutely right. Also, the drivers are often used as delivery men to take things back to people in the paddock, such as the paddock judge.
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2006, 08:37:01 AM »

Owners can go broke buying tickets because horses lose more then they win. What all owners should do if they are not " cheap skates " is give the driver/trainer/groom all a tip. The tips should reflect the size of the purse that is won by the owner. For example, if the winning owner gets 7K he should tip each $300. If he gets 10 to 15K he should tip them $400 each. Above 15K $500 each. If the owner gets $1,500 or $2,000 or $3,000 racing in Chicago these days he should tip $50. That's it!

Dan:
I may be a "bust out owner" in your words  Grin, but I agree. I always tipped for wins...never bought tickets.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2006, 10:30:58 AM »

Dan:
I may be a "bust out owner" in your words  Grin, but I agree. I always tipped for wins...never bought tickets.

NJP, thats why the shortage of $2.00 bills in New Jersey big tipper.  dollar  lololololololol
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2006, 03:42:42 PM »

To the "REAL" harnessfan, Who's this guy tryin to take your name???

Frank Carl Calebrese used to always hand the driver a "WAD" full of cash right in the winners circle then he would send Sid to the windows to cash the tickets!!!! Does he still do that in the other buisness?Huh
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2006, 05:49:01 PM »

Dan:
I may be a "bust out owner" in your words  Grin, but I agree. I always tipped for wins...never bought tickets.

Paul, don't feel bad sooner or later all owners bust out of the business. Speaking of tips. I would tip Morgan 3 or 4 hundred and then the next week he would tank me with the same horse at 3-5. It happened a few times. I learned my lesson and stiffed Morgan out of a tip on Super Night when he won with Broadway Baby.
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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2006, 07:46:18 PM »

Paul, don't feel bad sooner or later all owners bust out of the business. Speaking of tips. I would tip Morgan 3 or 4 hundred and then the next week he would tank me with the same horse at 3-5. It happened a few times. I learned my lesson and stiffed Morgan out of a tip on Super Night when he won with Broadway Baby.

Dan:
Why is it that you describe an owner who retires from the business as a "bust out," but when you retired from the business you were, well, retiring, because "it's dead game laddies"?  A little inconsistent, don't you think?  Huh
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2006, 07:48:35 PM »

Paul, don't feel bad sooner or later all owners bust out of the business. Speaking of tips. I would tip Morgan 3 or 4 hundred and then the next week he would tank me with the same horse at 3-5. It happened a few times. I learned my lesson and stiffed Morgan out of a tip on Super Night when he won with Broadway Baby.


Dan:
By the way, I NEVER tipped drivers, who get 5% for 2 minutes of work. The trainers and grooms do all the work to prepare the horse for racing, and they got the tips.
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2006, 08:07:53 PM »


Dan:
By the way, I NEVER tipped drivers, who get 5% for 2 minutes of work. The trainers and grooms do all the work to prepare the horse for racing, and they got the tips.

Paul, most of my owners all tipped the drivers. The tips for the grooms were set up like this and agreed to by all my owners.

  Win....$100
  Second..$50
  Third... $25   

  The tips for the grooms were added on the training bills at the end of the month. I told my owners don't worry about tipping me. Some tipped me anyway some didn't.
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2006, 08:31:28 PM »

Paul, most of my owners all tipped the drivers. The tips for the grooms were set up like this and agreed to by all my owners.

  Win....$100
  Second..$50
  Third... $25   

  The tips for the grooms were added on the training bills at the end of the month. I told my owners don't worry about tipping me. Some tipped me anyway some didn't.


Dan:
I usually tipped the groom an additional amount beyond what was added to the bill, which was only for a win, by the way. If the groom had done an exceptionally good job all year, I'd also give an additional gift at Christmas.
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2006, 08:45:42 PM »

Dan:
I usually tipped the groom an additional amount beyond what was added to the bill, which was only for a win, by the way. If the groom had done an exceptionally good job all year, I'd also give an additional gift at Christmas.

Paul
         You wouldn't believe what SN and I did for our grooms and how much we put out of our own pockets above and beyond what the owners did. And then only to have alot of them run around and backstab us and and talk about us behind our backs. One groom busted one of our horses on the head with something and put the horses eye out becuase we had to fire him for charging stuff at Siegal's and giving the stuff to his dad who was a trainer.

        Great people living great lives.   
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« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2006, 09:42:43 PM »

Paul
         You wouldn't believe what SN and I did for our grooms and how much we put out of our own pockets above and beyond what the owners did. And then only to have alot of them run around and backstab us and and talk about us behind our backs. One groom busted one of our horses on the head with something and put the horses eye out becuase we had to fire him for charging stuff at Siegal's and giving the stuff to his dad who was a trainer.

        Great people living great lives.   


Dan:
Nothing that bad ever happened to one of mine, but one night we were shipping a mare I owned down to Garden State Park, and when we got there the paddock judge told us to call the presiding judge immediately. It seems that a disgruntled groom, who mistakenly thought I had ratted him out to the trainer for something he did, had called in a scratch of the mare. However, to prevent false scratches, NJ required that you give the trainer's  social security number to the judge when you called in a scratch.  The groom didn't quite get the number right, and the judge didn't scratch the horse based on the phone call.
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« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2006, 09:47:01 PM »

Dan:
Nothing that bad ever happened to one of mine, but one night we were shipping a mare I owned down to Garden State Park, and when we got there the paddock judge told us to call the presiding judge immediately. It seems that a disgruntled groom, who mistakenly thought I had ratted him out to the trainer for something he did, had called in a scratch of the mare. However, to prevent false scratches, NJ required that you give the trainer's  social security number to the judge when you called in a scratch.  The groom didn't quite get the number right, and the judge didn't scratch the horse based on the phone call.

It's amazing all the nonsence that goes on in the business.
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« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2006, 09:59:37 PM »

Dan:
Nothing that bad ever happened to one of mine, but one night we were shipping a mare I owned down to Garden State Park, and when we got there the paddock judge told us to call the presiding judge immediately. It seems that a disgruntled groom, who mistakenly thought I had ratted him out to the trainer for something he did, had called in a scratch of the mare. However, to prevent false scratches, NJ required that you give the trainer's  social security number to the judge when you called in a scratch.  The groom didn't quite get the number right, and the judge didn't scratch the horse based on the phone call.


Next time pay the groom on time.
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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2006, 02:40:38 AM »

HEEDE,
SPEAK THE TRUTH, WAS ANDY PISSED THAT NOBODY EVER GIVES HIM A TICKET IN THE CIRCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ONE THING IS FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4 CLAIMER OF THE BARN TO WIRE STABLE, WOULD NEVER PASS A TICKET TO ANY DRIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS CHEAP *** IS LOOKING FOR THE DIME THAT FELL OUT OF HIS POCKET, WHEN HE WENT TO TIP THE WAITRESS A "WHOPPING $5.00 ON HIS 200.00 BILL AT HUGO'S IN NAPERVILLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOTHING PERSONAL , JUST GOOD  HUMOR  maroon maroon rat
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2006, 04:08:33 AM »

Are we talking about tipping after every win and the owner betting every start or are we talking about tipping after a win that the trainer gave us a heads up that the horse would race good?  I tipped Marvin right in the winners circle with a $50 win ticket and Flapper paid 30 to win once(most of his wins were around 7-9 dollars).  I was told by Earl before the race that Flapper should race good and was worth a bet.  Earl would give me money to bet for him to win and place and I bet for the grooms myself.  If I had bet the same way every start though I would be in a soup line right now.

 Eric never told me when one of my horses would win and neither did Ryan Dailey or Greg Powell.  Their lips were sealed.  Erv always gave me an honest opinion on how he thought my horse would race but he never said directly that they would be worth a bet.  If he thought that they should "Race well with this bunch"  then I took that as a sign to bet since he rarely was wrong with his assessments.  I didn't have many wins total with Erv and Eric but I did get a lot of purse checks.  I would of been much better off had I tipped after a rare win instead of buying grooms win bets.  Live and learn the hard way,  that's my motto.
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« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2006, 09:55:30 AM »


Next time pay the groom on time.

Superschmuck:
This groom didn't take care of any of my horses, and it's the trainer's job to pay him.
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2006, 04:43:31 PM »

I saw John Carver give Lavern 2k in the winners circle at spk on Governed Angel.  Carv make 35k through
the windows that night.

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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2006, 12:11:31 AM »

Congrats on the little post that could...over 1000 hits and rolling!
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