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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2010, 06:17:21 PM »

let me try to explain a little better.i have done the dirty work for 8 yrs.and now im ready for more,but the guy that i knew died and now im on my own.im ine the middle of nowhere maine.believe me id love to be able to work for someone else and learn more but there is no one around us.and i have to work 5 or 6 hrs a day in my own home business.i do not really care about prerace,just doing the best for the horses.ogms response was something i would have expected at ***.she offered some input,refered to something ive never heard of and then she blasts me.i just think that was uncalled for.i am trying to do the right thing here with what ive been left.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2010, 06:41:35 PM »

let me try to explain a little better.i have done the dirty work for 8 yrs.and now im ready for more,but the guy that i knew died and now im on my own.im ine the middle of nowhere maine.believe me id love to be able to work for someone else and learn more but there is no one around us.and i have to work 5 or 6 hrs a day in my own home business.i do not really care about prerace,just doing the best for the horses.ogms response was something i would have expected at ***.she offered some input,refered to something ive never heard of and then she blasts me.i just think that was uncalled for.i am trying to do the right thing here with what ive been left.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2010, 07:25:53 PM »

  OK, you ask about hind-end lameness.  Are you currently jogging on a track or do you have some other means of exercise?
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2010, 07:28:00 PM »

on track.and i meant the difference between hocks stifles and maybe up in their back.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »

  How are you keeping the track maintained?  Are your horses wearing borium?
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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2010, 08:10:45 PM »

theres no maintenance this time of year.all have borium nails.
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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2010, 09:28:58 PM »

theres no maintenance this time of year.all have borium nails.
You got to be kidding "No maintenance this time of year". If nothing else you need to drag the track every day to spread out any fresh manure so it doesn't freeze in balls or apples.

Borium nails are only good when the shoe is flat on the ground. There needs to be spots on the toe or when the back of the shoe leaves the ground the toe will slip away.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2010, 10:30:35 AM »

no track maintenance this time of year.... in Maine, no less. head shake  Impossible.
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2010, 11:15:50 AM »

This thread reminds me of a true Herve story from long ago.  Having serious trouble with a trotter he was training at Yonkers, Herve walked the horse over to John Patterson Sr.'s barn one Saturday morning, handed John the lead, and said only two words... "fix him".

John had the horse for about four weeks, raced him twice, and when he considered the horse "fixed", he gave him back to Herve.  His first start was an easy win by 10 lengths....

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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2010, 11:17:19 AM »

ive been in maine my whole life.there is no track maintenance in maine on these farms.the track is froze solid.what do you experts have to remedy that?and ive also been using borium nails for yrs,never had 1 problem.learning just do the best you can man.
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2010, 11:22:49 AM »

Boy did you hit the nail on the head.
As with most professions, there is an art and a science to racing horses.  If you master one without the other, you will just do alright.

When I introduce a new horse to the "herd", As I release the horse I start yelling and waving my arms and chasing.  The new horse runs off with the others and they have a  common predator to be wary of, me.  By the time they settle down the horse is part of the herd. Told some others about this method and they seem to like it.
THAT is an interesting approach. I'm not being sarcastic at all.

I can see that the method could have application.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2010, 12:26:27 PM »

ive been in maine my whole life.there is no track maintenance in maine on these farms.the track is froze solid.what do you experts have to remedy that?and ive also been using borium nails for yrs,never had 1 problem.learning just do the best you can man.

I am in Western Pa and we are in the same boat.  I plow my farm track and the fairgrounds track but that is it for maintenance.  I have borium dots on my horses with steel shoes and borium nails on my horses with aluminum shoes.  Has worked well so far,
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2010, 02:18:16 PM »

I am in Western Pa and we are in the same boat.  I plow my farm track and the fairgrounds track but that is it for maintenance.  I have borium dots on my horses with steel shoes and borium nails on my horses with aluminum shoes.  Has worked well so far,
OK you no maintenance boys.
Your horse is walking on or off the track, and he takes a big dump. Do you let it freeze and then stumble over it the next day?
Every fairgrounds has a "horseman" that lets his horse stop and stand still to take a dump. You let that freeze, and you will break a wheel or leg the next day.
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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2010, 02:56:50 PM »

OK you no maintenance boys.
Your horse is walking on or off the track, and he takes a big dump. Do you let it freeze and then stumble over it the next day?
Every fairgrounds has a "horseman" that lets his horse stop and stand still to take a dump. You let that freeze, and you will break a wheel or leg the next day.
sorry bub,but around these parts when a horse stops and shits in the winter,it wont last the day.birds live on the stuff in the winter.
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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2010, 03:32:24 PM »

sorry bub,but around these parts when a horse stops and shits in the winter,it wont last the day.birds live on the stuff in the winter.

Here too.

I swear some of the birds follow us around WAITING for the pile of poop to show up.

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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2010, 04:35:59 PM »

sorry bub,but around these parts when a horse stops and shits in the winter,it wont last the day.birds live on the stuff in the winter.
No need to be sorry. I know full well what you are saying. I just don't trust our feathered friends that much. I am on the track with a float or heavy drag before the last horse of the morning is off.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2010, 03:41:46 PM »

As far as the lameness goes...a stifle will have the appearance of a rounded gait while a hock will often times make the horse appear to get "vertical"...like he doesnt want to put it down and extend all the way....also realize if the horse is on one shaft or the other, usually showing what side. We sit behind them everyday and dont really think about explaining what we see all that often, just "know it"....there are many signs that can help....ask away and maybe between all of us you'll find the answer your looking for.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2010, 08:26:22 AM »

  Hmmm where did juslearnin go?  Joined Feb 7, posted only on this topic, last active Feb 9.  Guess he was more interested in baiting me than actually learning something.  It was admirable for you guys to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I smelled troll right from the get-go.
  On a related note: where did his buddy tankin go?  Maybe they are both outside working on track maintenance.  LOL
  Oh, no that's right... tankin ran back over to Slop to start a thread about what a psycho split personality *** I am.  LOL  (Nice try TC, better luck next time.)
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2010, 08:34:13 AM »

  Hmmm where did juslearnin go?  Joined Feb 7, posted only on this topic, last active Feb 9.  Guess he was more interested in baiting me than actually learning something.  It was admirable for you guys to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I smelled troll right from the get-go.
  On a related note: where did his buddy tankin go?  Maybe they are both outside working on track maintenance.  LOL
  Oh, no that's right... tankin ran back over to Slop to start a thread about what a psycho split personality *** I am.  LOL  (Nice try TC, better luck next time.)
sorry maam,im right here,always right here.reading with interest in hopes of learning all sorts of things i dont know.why would i continue to ask questions when someone like you bashed everything i said.i am very very sorry that i dont have your knowledgee of this sport but i didnt need to be looked down upon by the likes of you.we have a sand track and it is froze solid in the winter,what kind of maintenance would you like.you said go ahead and ask and then crushed me for not knowing what a bloodshot is.when told what it is,i do know what it is.i do need help,but not stomped on.thanks.
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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2010, 08:54:52 AM »

  Well, if you are legit, I'm sorry.  If you want credibility, develop a thick hide and keep posting sensible questions.  When you run and hide, it makes the troll status seem likely.
  I have no patience with people who look for the quick fix and don't want to listen to anything that takes time and work.  I won't waste my time on them.  Sounds like you did take my advice and sat back to read and learn. 
  I was at a clinic one time and was dying to ask a specific question about a problem I was having.  The clinician had said, "no questions until after the demo", so I waited.  Lo and behold, my question was answered during the demonstration.
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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2010, 09:34:21 AM »

sorry maam,im right here,always right here.reading with interest in hopes of learning all sorts of things i dont know.why would i continue to ask questions when someone like you bashed everything i said.i am very very sorry that i dont have your knowledgee of this sport but i didnt need to be looked down upon by the likes of you.we have a sand track and it is froze solid in the winter,what kind of maintenance would you like.you said go ahead and ask and then crushed me for not knowing what a bloodshot is.when told what it is,i do know what it is.i do need help,but not stomped on.thanks.
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2010, 01:11:20 PM »

im sorry maam,but it seems to me that you like to talk out of both sides of your mouth.when i started thiss i explained my situation and admitted that i dont know much.im learning on the fly,unfortunately.you started with a great post and then went nuts when i said i didnt know what a bloodshot was,and then you mocked me for track mainteanace comment.im just not sure that i need help from someone like you.you seem a bit to perfect for me.thanks anyway.
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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2010, 01:27:30 PM »

ogm are you out of your *** mind?this guy came on here and ASKED first if he would get criticized and everyone said no go ahead ask your questions.you went right after like a friggen lunatic.why would he dare come back?you say you dont have time for this kind of person.NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COMMENT.you piped in and then blasted him when he said he didnt know what you meant.then blasted him for no track maintenance.if you have a frozen dirt driveway,what are you gonna do to make it better knowitall?ive read your rantings at the *** and you dont wanna get along with nobody.your obviously a bitter old miserable woman.juslearning,keep asking and just dont read her posts,she doesnt know what the *** shes talking about anyway.
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2010, 04:22:07 PM »

  
.if you have a frozen dirt driveway,what are you gonna do to make it better knowitall?ive read your rantings at the *** and you dont wanna get along with nobody.your obviously a bitter old miserable woman.juslearning,keep asking and just dont read her posts,she doesnt know what the *** shes talking about anyway.

  One thing I do know better than is to jog horses on rock hard frozen tracks.... and then wonder why my horses are sore.  Why even bother with a track?  If I was living in Maine and trying to train horses first thing I would invest in is an equicisor or an indoor arena.  Can't afford one?  Get a sleigh and have the horses pull it around the pasture... same as a power cart.  Or power cart the horses at a walk around the track if there's no snow.  Plenty of options.  Hell, even handlunging or riding in the snow would be preferable.  If you absolutely have to use a track, then put some salt on and work the track.  Guess I better add, make sure you thoroughly wash the horse's legs, heels, and hooves when you're done.
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2010, 04:52:32 PM »

 
  One thing I do know better than is to jog horses on rock hard frozen tracks.... and then wonder why my horses are sore.  Why even bother with a track?  If I was living in Maine and trying to train horses first thing I would invest in is an equicisor or an indoor arena.  Can't afford one?  Get a sleigh and have the horses pull it around the pasture... same as a power cart.  Or power cart the horses at a walk around the track if there's no snow.  Plenty of options.  Hell, even handlunging or riding in the snow would be preferable.  If you absolutely have to use a track, then put some salt on and work the track.  Guess I better add, make sure you thoroughly wash the horse's legs, heels, and hooves when you're done.

I am afraid that you re pretty dumb. Anyone that would put salt on a frozen track is out in la la land.  I think just learning will learn just fine, but not much from someone as opinionated as you.
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