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« on: February 05, 2010, 10:22:01 PM »

ok.how do you determine hind end lameness.hocks,stifles ass.is jogging enuff?my old trainer said jugs were useless,is this true?where would i start with prerace?
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2010, 11:59:57 PM »

If your old trainer told you jugs are useless, you did the right thing by firing him/her!
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 09:20:45 AM »

didnt fire him,he died.yhank you very much.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 09:43:16 AM »

ok.how do you determine hind end lameness.hocks,stifles ass.is jogging enuff?my old trainer said jugs were useless,is this true?where would i start with prerace?

I was told by a well-respected vet that jugs were a waste of money.  He said blood shots were better.  Just remember "all things in moderation".  Too much of anything is not good and will lead to more problems.  
Training horses is mostly common sense.  Feed good quality feed and hay.  Take blood counts on a regular basis (not just when a horse races bad).  Use a good vit/min supplement (I switched from Red Cell to Propel on the advice of a btw poster and like it better, but everyone has their own preference.)  I like to supplement with Propel, electrolytes, a good joint supplement, and calcium.  I'll add other supplements depending on each horse's individual needs.
Check out www.basicnutritionusa.com  

As far as hind-end lameness, most STB are sore behind.  You're taking an animal engineered to spend the majority of their time with their heads down grazing.  You check them up, use racebikes that throw all the weight on the hind end, and ask them to pull at extreme speed.  For daily maintenance, massage their hocks with a warming linament like sweat-it.  Stifle weakness will lead to stifle (and hock) soreness.  A horse who is weak or already sore in the stifles will knuckle over when jogging. Will also drag the hind leg, look for the shoes wearing at the toe.  For that matter monitor all 4 shoe wear all the time.  Common sense:  the muscles stabilize the joints, so look to build those muscles.  
Get yourself a good blacksmith and a good vet.  They can help you more than an internet forum.
For pre-race advice, you'll have to ask someone else.  Not my area.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 09:50:02 AM »

If you scroll down on this forum, you'll find the answers to just about any question you have.  You'll even learn things you didn't know you didn't know.  I grew up in the business, been around horses 52 years and I still read everything I can get my hands on (and that includes magazines on every equine discipline out there), watch videos (RFD-TV chock full of info), and attend Horse Expos (one coming up Feb 25-28 at Harrisburg) clinics and seminars.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 07:23:02 PM »

I was told by a well-respected vet that jugs were a waste of money.  He said blood shots were better.  Just remember "all things in moderation".  Too much of anything is not good and will lead to more problems. 
Training horses is mostly common sense.  Feed good quality feed and hay.  Take blood counts on a regular basis (not just when a horse races bad).  Use a good vit/min supplement (I switched from Red Cell to Propel on the advice of a btw poster and like it better, but everyone has their own preference.)  I like to supplement with Propel, electrolytes, a good joint supplement, and calcium.  I'll add other supplements depending on each horse's individual needs.
Check out www.basicnutritionusa.com 

As far as hind-end lameness, most STB are sore behind.  You're taking an animal engineered to spend the majority of their time with their heads down grazing.  You check them up, use racebikes that throw all the weight on the hind end, and ask them to pull at extreme speed.  For daily maintenance, massage their hocks with a warming linament like sweat-it.  Stifle weakness will lead to stifle (and hock) soreness.  A horse who is weak or already sore in the stifles will knuckle over when jogging. Will also drag the hind leg, look for the shoes wearing at the toe.  For that matter monitor all 4 shoe wear all the time.  Common sense:  the muscles stabilize the joints, so look to build those muscles.   
Get yourself a good blacksmith and a good vet.  They can help you more than an internet forum.
For pre-race advice, you'll have to ask someone else.  Not my area.
what the heck is a bloodshot?
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 07:44:51 PM »

  If you don't know that, then you better quit right now, 'cause it sounds like you don't know anything.  Find someone else to take care of those horses before you completely ruin them.  If you're serious about learning, get a job as a groom with a respected trainer and learn from the bottom up like the rest of us did. 
Horse Racing:  lazy, stupid people need not apply.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 07:49:23 PM »

now im lazy and stupid cause i dont know what a bloodshot is?
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 07:51:21 PM »

maybe i call it something different.but im not sure i even know what a bloodshot is.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 08:12:34 PM »

now im lazy and stupid cause i dont know what a bloodshot is?
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 08:19:13 PM »

maybe i call it something different.but im not sure i even know what a bloodshot is.
b 12 complex, cacco copper, vitamans that help build red blood cells, and there are no stupid questions just stupid mistakes. but ogm advice is sound. go work for a respected trainer and keep your eyes and ears open
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2010, 08:20:50 PM »

now im lazy and stupid cause i dont know what a bloodshot is?

Questions are the answer!  Ask a question, shut up and listen, ask another question.  Soon
you will be the one answering the questions.

I remember asking a trainer follow up question and he told me that he had forgotten more than I know.  (Under my breath I said, "that is obvious".}
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2010, 08:22:32 PM »

b 12 complex, cacco copper, vitamans that help build red blood cells, and there are no stupid questions just stupid mistakes. but ogm advice is sound. go work for a respected trainer and keep your eyes and ears open

Hemo 15 or new cells are all inclusive blood shots.  hipp iron also can be part of a blood shot.
 
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2010, 08:28:40 PM »

now im lazy and stupid cause i dont know what a bloodshot is?

Keep the questions coming.  You will sharpen all of our skills by making us think.  That is the whole purpose of this forum. Don't let anyone put you down.  We all started knowing nothing.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2010, 08:55:03 PM »

yeak ok i know what that stuff is,i put it all in my jugs.i just have never heard of it refered to as blood shots.seemed like ogm was willing to help this morning and a little rude this evening.oh well she probably had a long day,no biggy.
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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2010, 09:32:58 PM »

There are articles on the USTA web site about conducting a soundess examination.  Don't forget to check all joints for temperture dfferentials.  Also any swelling or filling and any changes from day to day. As your vet to go through a soundness examinaton with you explaining each step.  The vet will love to show you how good he is and will enjoy teaching you.  Remember that you make a friend by getting somebody to do a favor for you , not doing a favor for someone else. 
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 11:21:50 PM »

If you don't already have them, go to EBAY and buy a copy of the old and a copy of the new Care and Training of The Pacer and Trotter. You can follow that up with a copy of NJhorseman's book on Owning Winning Standardbreds.
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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2010, 08:34:55 AM »

Actually I had a good day at the barn yesterday.  I've been down this road before with trolls asking increasingly stupid questions and wasting my time.  One of TC's favorite games.  Come to think of it, I've been down this road face to face with real people, too, usually when I'm smack-dab in the middle of working with a recalcitrant horse.  You all know the type of person I'm referring to.  I now tell them if they want a personal clinic, they can pay for it.  Otherwise, shut up and observe...   
I've seen too many horses ruined by ignorant people.  Riding horses and racehorses.  For the welfare of the horses, I strongly suggest this person find someone knowledgable to supervise him.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 10:15:56 AM »

Just learning i think the concern is that while you admitted to being unsure of how to even  diagnose lameness and if jogging is "enough" along with asking about preracing the only part of the long answer you were given that seemed an interest to you, the only part of the post to which you responded, was wanting more info about what came out of a needle.  That's what made it seem as though you were more interested in shortcuts than learning basic horsemanship.

However I have observed it is human nature to respond primarily to the first sentence of a post.  Just like it is human nature during a real time discussion to hear only the last thing a person says and respond to it.  So I will wait and see what the tenor of your possible subsequent questions might reveal.

I don't mind being asked my advice until the person asking starts then arguing with what I tell them.  But then that would be when I was specifically sought out.  Then I will tell them if they only asked me so they had someone to argue with about it they can move on.    Don't know if I would feel differently if the person paid me for the information/advice.


 Also don't know how to feel about answering open appeals on a message board and then debating them so I guess that's why I don't.



 
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2010, 10:35:43 AM »

Just learning i think the concern is that while you admitted to being unsure of how to even  diagnose lameness and if jogging is "enough" along with asking about preracing the only part of the long answer you were given that seemed an interest to you, the only part of the post to which you responded, was wanting more info about what came out of a needle.   That's what made it seem as though you were more interested in shortcuts than learning basic horsemanship.

 

  Great minds think alike.  That was exactly what got my hackles up.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2010, 11:17:29 AM »

Just learning i think the concern is that while you admitted to being unsure of how to even  diagnose lameness and if jogging is "enough" along with asking about preracing the only part of the long answer you were given that seemed an interest to you, the only part of the post to which you responded, was wanting more info about what came out of a needle.  That's what made it seem as though you were more interested in shortcuts than learning basic horsemanship.

However I have observed it is human nature to respond primarily to the first sentence of a post.  Just like it is human nature during a real time discussion to hear only the last thing a person says and respond to it.  So I will wait and see what the tenor of your possible subsequent questions might reveal.


I don't mind being asked my advice until the person asking starts then arguing with what I tell them.  But then that would be when I was specifically sought out.  Then I will tell them if they only asked me so they had someone to argue with about it they can move on.    Don't know if I would feel differently if the person paid me for the information/advice.


 Also don't know how to feel about answering open appeals on a message board and then debating them so I guess that's why I don't.



 

I don't mind being questioned or asked to substantiate my advice.  Sometimes the substance isn't there and I learn to reevaluate my position.  I am so excited about the new things that I am learning every day and I have been in the business for 35 years. 
You guys remind me of the liberal college professors who give you a "D" because you don't accept that Carter was the best president ever.  I love a person that says "I don't know" .
The whole reason for forums like this is to pursue and share knowledge.  I consider myself close to being an expert on many of these topics but I still can be schooled on all of them. Hit me with your best punch.  The main thing is that when it is all over the person who was right prevails. 
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2010, 11:28:57 AM »

I don't mind being questioned or asked to substantiate my advice. 

I guess I was thinking more about the art part of handling horses than the science of it.  More specifically i was thinking of an instance where I was asked my advice on how to introduce new horses to each other in order to turn them out together. I told the person the procedure I would normally use and they proceed to tell me how this other person said to do it this way and this other person said to do it that way and how they thought they should do it yet another way. 

My response was so why did you ask me?  Are you just pestering people until you find someone who will tell you what you want to hear?  Go ahead, do it your way.

I wonder if people are less inclinded to do that if they pay for the lesson/advice?
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2010, 11:45:26 AM »

I guess I was thinking more about the art part of handling horses than the science of it.  More specifically i was thinking of an instance where I was asked my advice on how to introduce new horses to each other in order to turn them out together. I told the person the procedure I would normally use and they proceed to tell me how this other person said to do it this way and this other person said to do it that way and how they thought they should do it yet another way. 

My response was so why did you ask me?  Are you just pestering people until you find someone who will tell you what you want to hear?  Go ahead, do it your way.

I wonder if people are less inclinded to do that if they pay for the lesson/advice?

Boy did you hit the nail on the head.
As with most professions, there is an art and a science to racing horses.  If you master one without the other, you will just do alright.

When I introduce a new horse to the "herd", As I release the horse I start yelling and waving my arms and chasing.  The new horse runs off with the others and they have a  common predator to be wary of, me.  By the time they settle down the horse is part of the herd. Told some others about this method and they seem to like it.
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2010, 12:14:52 PM »

Hmmmm well I can think of some potential problems that could be created by that method but I will keep my comments to myself LOL.  Glad it works for you
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2010, 02:39:30 PM »

To me it is fun to watch them all go trotting off together including the newbie.  No problems so far.
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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2010, 06:17:21 PM »

let me try to explain a little better.i have done the dirty work for 8 yrs.and now im ready for more,but the guy that i knew died and now im on my own.im ine the middle of nowhere maine.believe me id love to be able to work for someone else and learn more but there is no one around us.and i have to work 5 or 6 hrs a day in my own home business.i do not really care about prerace,just doing the best for the horses.ogms response was something i would have expected at ***.she offered some input,refered to something ive never heard of and then she blasts me.i just think that was uncalled for.i am trying to do the right thing here with what ive been left.
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2010, 06:41:35 PM »

let me try to explain a little better.i have done the dirty work for 8 yrs.and now im ready for more,but the guy that i knew died and now im on my own.im ine the middle of nowhere maine.believe me id love to be able to work for someone else and learn more but there is no one around us.and i have to work 5 or 6 hrs a day in my own home business.i do not really care about prerace,just doing the best for the horses.ogms response was something i would have expected at ***.she offered some input,refered to something ive never heard of and then she blasts me.i just think that was uncalled for.i am trying to do the right thing here with what ive been left.
Just ask the questions and most of us will enjoy anwering them. Maybe you know more than we  do.
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« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2010, 07:25:53 PM »

  OK, you ask about hind-end lameness.  Are you currently jogging on a track or do you have some other means of exercise?
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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2010, 07:28:00 PM »

on track.and i meant the difference between hocks stifles and maybe up in their back.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2010, 07:48:46 PM »

  How are you keeping the track maintained?  Are your horses wearing borium?
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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2010, 08:10:45 PM »

theres no maintenance this time of year.all have borium nails.
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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2010, 09:28:58 PM »

theres no maintenance this time of year.all have borium nails.
You got to be kidding "No maintenance this time of year". If nothing else you need to drag the track every day to spread out any fresh manure so it doesn't freeze in balls or apples.

Borium nails are only good when the shoe is flat on the ground. There needs to be spots on the toe or when the back of the shoe leaves the ground the toe will slip away.
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2010, 10:30:35 AM »

no track maintenance this time of year.... in Maine, no less. head shake  Impossible.
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2010, 11:15:50 AM »

This thread reminds me of a true Herve story from long ago.  Having serious trouble with a trotter he was training at Yonkers, Herve walked the horse over to John Patterson Sr.'s barn one Saturday morning, handed John the lead, and said only two words... "fix him".

John had the horse for about four weeks, raced him twice, and when he considered the horse "fixed", he gave him back to Herve.  His first start was an easy win by 10 lengths....

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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2010, 11:17:19 AM »

ive been in maine my whole life.there is no track maintenance in maine on these farms.the track is froze solid.what do you experts have to remedy that?and ive also been using borium nails for yrs,never had 1 problem.learning just do the best you can man.
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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2010, 11:22:49 AM »

Boy did you hit the nail on the head.
As with most professions, there is an art and a science to racing horses.  If you master one without the other, you will just do alright.

When I introduce a new horse to the "herd", As I release the horse I start yelling and waving my arms and chasing.  The new horse runs off with the others and they have a  common predator to be wary of, me.  By the time they settle down the horse is part of the herd. Told some others about this method and they seem to like it.
THAT is an interesting approach. I'm not being sarcastic at all.

I can see that the method could have application.

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2010, 12:26:27 PM »

ive been in maine my whole life.there is no track maintenance in maine on these farms.the track is froze solid.what do you experts have to remedy that?and ive also been using borium nails for yrs,never had 1 problem.learning just do the best you can man.

I am in Western Pa and we are in the same boat.  I plow my farm track and the fairgrounds track but that is it for maintenance.  I have borium dots on my horses with steel shoes and borium nails on my horses with aluminum shoes.  Has worked well so far,
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2010, 02:18:16 PM »

I am in Western Pa and we are in the same boat.  I plow my farm track and the fairgrounds track but that is it for maintenance.  I have borium dots on my horses with steel shoes and borium nails on my horses with aluminum shoes.  Has worked well so far,
OK you no maintenance boys.
Your horse is walking on or off the track, and he takes a big dump. Do you let it freeze and then stumble over it the next day?
Every fairgrounds has a "horseman" that lets his horse stop and stand still to take a dump. You let that freeze, and you will break a wheel or leg the next day.
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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2010, 02:56:50 PM »

OK you no maintenance boys.
Your horse is walking on or off the track, and he takes a big dump. Do you let it freeze and then stumble over it the next day?
Every fairgrounds has a "horseman" that lets his horse stop and stand still to take a dump. You let that freeze, and you will break a wheel or leg the next day.
sorry bub,but around these parts when a horse stops and shits in the winter,it wont last the day.birds live on the stuff in the winter.
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« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2010, 03:32:24 PM »

sorry bub,but around these parts when a horse stops and shits in the winter,it wont last the day.birds live on the stuff in the winter.

Here too.

I swear some of the birds follow us around WAITING for the pile of poop to show up.

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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2010, 04:35:59 PM »

sorry bub,but around these parts when a horse stops and shits in the winter,it wont last the day.birds live on the stuff in the winter.
No need to be sorry. I know full well what you are saying. I just don't trust our feathered friends that much. I am on the track with a float or heavy drag before the last horse of the morning is off.
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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2010, 03:41:46 PM »

As far as the lameness goes...a stifle will have the appearance of a rounded gait while a hock will often times make the horse appear to get "vertical"...like he doesnt want to put it down and extend all the way....also realize if the horse is on one shaft or the other, usually showing what side. We sit behind them everyday and dont really think about explaining what we see all that often, just "know it"....there are many signs that can help....ask away and maybe between all of us you'll find the answer your looking for.
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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2010, 08:26:22 AM »

  Hmmm where did juslearnin go?  Joined Feb 7, posted only on this topic, last active Feb 9.  Guess he was more interested in baiting me than actually learning something.  It was admirable for you guys to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I smelled troll right from the get-go.
  On a related note: where did his buddy tankin go?  Maybe they are both outside working on track maintenance.  LOL
  Oh, no that's right... tankin ran back over to Slop to start a thread about what a psycho split personality *** I am.  LOL  (Nice try TC, better luck next time.)
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2010, 08:34:13 AM »

  Hmmm where did juslearnin go?  Joined Feb 7, posted only on this topic, last active Feb 9.  Guess he was more interested in baiting me than actually learning something.  It was admirable for you guys to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I smelled troll right from the get-go.
  On a related note: where did his buddy tankin go?  Maybe they are both outside working on track maintenance.  LOL
  Oh, no that's right... tankin ran back over to Slop to start a thread about what a psycho split personality *** I am.  LOL  (Nice try TC, better luck next time.)
sorry maam,im right here,always right here.reading with interest in hopes of learning all sorts of things i dont know.why would i continue to ask questions when someone like you bashed everything i said.i am very very sorry that i dont have your knowledgee of this sport but i didnt need to be looked down upon by the likes of you.we have a sand track and it is froze solid in the winter,what kind of maintenance would you like.you said go ahead and ask and then crushed me for not knowing what a bloodshot is.when told what it is,i do know what it is.i do need help,but not stomped on.thanks.
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« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2010, 08:54:52 AM »

  Well, if you are legit, I'm sorry.  If you want credibility, develop a thick hide and keep posting sensible questions.  When you run and hide, it makes the troll status seem likely.
  I have no patience with people who look for the quick fix and don't want to listen to anything that takes time and work.  I won't waste my time on them.  Sounds like you did take my advice and sat back to read and learn. 
  I was at a clinic one time and was dying to ask a specific question about a problem I was having.  The clinician had said, "no questions until after the demo", so I waited.  Lo and behold, my question was answered during the demonstration.
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« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2010, 09:34:21 AM »

sorry maam,im right here,always right here.reading with interest in hopes of learning all sorts of things i dont know.why would i continue to ask questions when someone like you bashed everything i said.i am very very sorry that i dont have your knowledgee of this sport but i didnt need to be looked down upon by the likes of you.we have a sand track and it is froze solid in the winter,what kind of maintenance would you like.you said go ahead and ask and then crushed me for not knowing what a bloodshot is.when told what it is,i do know what it is.i do need help,but not stomped on.thanks.
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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2010, 01:11:20 PM »

im sorry maam,but it seems to me that you like to talk out of both sides of your mouth.when i started thiss i explained my situation and admitted that i dont know much.im learning on the fly,unfortunately.you started with a great post and then went nuts when i said i didnt know what a bloodshot was,and then you mocked me for track mainteanace comment.im just not sure that i need help from someone like you.you seem a bit to perfect for me.thanks anyway.
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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2010, 01:27:30 PM »

ogm are you out of your *** mind?this guy came on here and ASKED first if he would get criticized and everyone said no go ahead ask your questions.you went right after like a friggen lunatic.why would he dare come back?you say you dont have time for this kind of person.NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COMMENT.you piped in and then blasted him when he said he didnt know what you meant.then blasted him for no track maintenance.if you have a frozen dirt driveway,what are you gonna do to make it better knowitall?ive read your rantings at the *** and you dont wanna get along with nobody.your obviously a bitter old miserable woman.juslearning,keep asking and just dont read her posts,she doesnt know what the *** shes talking about anyway.
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2010, 04:22:07 PM »

  
.if you have a frozen dirt driveway,what are you gonna do to make it better knowitall?ive read your rantings at the *** and you dont wanna get along with nobody.your obviously a bitter old miserable woman.juslearning,keep asking and just dont read her posts,she doesnt know what the *** shes talking about anyway.

  One thing I do know better than is to jog horses on rock hard frozen tracks.... and then wonder why my horses are sore.  Why even bother with a track?  If I was living in Maine and trying to train horses first thing I would invest in is an equicisor or an indoor arena.  Can't afford one?  Get a sleigh and have the horses pull it around the pasture... same as a power cart.  Or power cart the horses at a walk around the track if there's no snow.  Plenty of options.  Hell, even handlunging or riding in the snow would be preferable.  If you absolutely have to use a track, then put some salt on and work the track.  Guess I better add, make sure you thoroughly wash the horse's legs, heels, and hooves when you're done.
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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2010, 04:52:32 PM »

 
  One thing I do know better than is to jog horses on rock hard frozen tracks.... and then wonder why my horses are sore.  Why even bother with a track?  If I was living in Maine and trying to train horses first thing I would invest in is an equicisor or an indoor arena.  Can't afford one?  Get a sleigh and have the horses pull it around the pasture... same as a power cart.  Or power cart the horses at a walk around the track if there's no snow.  Plenty of options.  Hell, even handlunging or riding in the snow would be preferable.  If you absolutely have to use a track, then put some salt on and work the track.  Guess I better add, make sure you thoroughly wash the horse's legs, heels, and hooves when you're done.

I am afraid that you re pretty dumb. Anyone that would put salt on a frozen track is out in la la land.  I think just learning will learn just fine, but not much from someone as opinionated as you.
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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2010, 05:05:43 PM »

ok ogm,you are proving what a *** you are.salt on a frozen track.ok.you are a bright one.where did you get your owners,cause they must be crazy rich.
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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2010, 05:28:35 PM »

  You don't prepare the track in the fall before it freezes? 
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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2010, 06:49:51 PM »

on a sand track?with salt?nooooooooo,are you nuts?
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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2010, 10:44:41 PM »

  You don't prepare the track in the fall before it freezes? 

OK OGM, you get a time out because you had a tough day and deserve a  chance to pop off just so you can feel a little better.  Come on back on your next post just a compassionate with your peers are you are with your horses and we wil all get along just great.
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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2010, 06:32:52 AM »

on a sand track?with salt?nooooooooo,are you nuts?

  We always had stondust tracks.  I have read where salt can be added to outdoor sand arenas and roundpens, though.
   After watching my father struggle trying to maintain farm tracks in the winter, I think the work required is just ridiculous and not worth it.  Better to stable at a major facility with the proper equipment and manpower to handle the job.  Or find an alternative method for keeping the horses in shape.  I've worked out of an indoor arena these last 2 winters.  Last year, while the horse was not ready to drop in the box off it, it didn't take long once returning to the track before he was.  The 2 I have this year just came out of the field and have had about a month in the arena.  The colt has been exercising all winter, goes 30 minutes, and barely gets hot where the others are sweating after 15 minutes.  He's definitely ready for speed work.  We'll see where we're at this week when we go back to the track tomorrow.
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« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2010, 07:04:49 AM »

OK OGM, you get a time out because you had a tough day and deserve a  chance to pop off just so you can feel a little better.  Come on back on your next post just a compassionate with your peers are you are with your horses and we wil all get along just great.


  So I should refrain from bashing anyone over the head with a shovel?
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« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2010, 08:07:04 AM »

  So I should refrain from bashing anyone over the head with a shovel?

Good idea- light bulb -It is real hard on the shovels.

With prices going up on everything shovels are expensive to replace.  laughing guy

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« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2010, 01:21:39 PM »

  So I should refrain from bashing anyone over the head with a shovel?

After the time out, you can go ahead and  bash them on the head if you still feel like it.
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After the time out, you can go ahead and  bash them on the head if you still feel like it.

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