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« on: January 30, 2010, 09:50:56 PM »

The time has come to replace the way Eclipse Awards are given and the people who do the voting.It is time for some system that make sense to eveyone.The most recent vote for HOY is only the latest vote to bring into questions about an East vs. West bias among other faults in the system.
Some of the people who voted this year were probably part of the same group who did the voting in 1996.They awarded an Eclipse Award to a horse that never even raced in the U.S. that year.Even the Canadians voters did not give this horse an award in 1996.Diplomatic Jet won multiple G1T races in the U.S. yet was beat out for the award.

SOME ECLIPSE AWARD VOTERS HAVE ZERO CREDIBLITY DRAWING THE WHOLE PROCESS INTO QUESTION.
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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 12:11:25 AM »

Let me ask you a question.....if Zenyatta would have been voted HOTY, would have posted this?
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 12:30:46 AM »


Some of the people who voted this year were probably part of the same group who did the voting in 1996.They awarded an Eclipse Award to a horse that never even raced in the U.S. that year.

If you mean Singspiel, he ran second in the BC turf to Swain, so he did race in the US, but i agree, he NEVER should have gotten an eclipse award off of one race, but then again, the euro shippers getting our eclipse awards off one race have always been an issue with me....
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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 01:28:25 AM »

SOME ECLIPSE AWARD VOTERS HAVE ZERO CREDIBLITY DRAWING THE WHOLE PROCESS INTO QUESTION.

Which Eclipse voters, and what issues do they have that would lead you to make such a broad (not to mention slanderous) statement?

Please, name names, and list actual specific credibility issues these voters have.

Then list YOUR actual name, and your industry credentials that will demonstrate to all of us why we should find your statement above to be...credible.

(I won't wait up.)

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 01:45:55 AM »

I think we should do telephone voting...$1.99 per call local charges and taxes may apply.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 10:33:41 AM »

If you mean Singspiel, he ran second in the BC turf to Swain, so he did race in the US, but i agree, he NEVER should have gotten an eclipse award off of one race, but then again, the euro shippers getting our eclipse awards off one race have always been an issue with me....

Please double check your facts.The BC was raced at Woodbine in 1996.Pilsudski won the race,Singspiel was 2nd and Swain 3rd.Singspiel raced one time before the BC in Canada and his next race was in Japan after the BC.How do you vote a horse an Eclipse who never raced in the U.S,. over Diplomatic Jet who won 3 GI'S on the turf that year ?

As far as Z I have already posted in another thread my feelings on this years Eclipse voting.I don;t agree but can see how they came up with it.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 10:41:57 AM »

Get over it already!
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 10:50:29 AM »

Which Eclipse voters, and what issues do they have that would lead you to make such a broad (not to mention slanderous) statement?

Please, name names, and list actual specific credibility issues these voters have.

Then list YOUR actual name, and your industry credentials that will demonstrate to all of us why we should find your statement above to be...credible.

(I won't wait up.)



The Eclipse Awards are for horses who have raced in the United States.How was an Eclipse given to Singspiel for Champion Male Turf Horsse in 1996 ? He NEVER raced in the U.S. that year and did not win the BC race which was held at Woodbine.Diplomatic Jet won 3 GI Turf races in the U.S that year and received no award.

I also don't buy the clown's story that he made a mistake when voting this year for Older Female horse.People called him out and then he said he made a mistake.I am among the many who don;t believe his story.

I have been a fan for about 35 yrs,if you think my comments about Singspiel and Diplomatic Jet are wrong check them out and tell me I am wrong.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 11:10:26 AM »

Let me ask you a question.....if Zenyatta would have been voted HOTY, would have posted this?

 Z- you didn't answer the question.....Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 11:18:03 AM »

The Eclipse Awards are for horses who have raced in the United States.How was an Eclipse given to Singspiel for Champion Male Turf Horsse in 1996 ? He NEVER raced in the U.S. that year and did not win the BC race which was held at Woodbine.Diplomatic Jet won 3 GI Turf races in the U.S that year and received no award.

I also don't buy the clown's story that he made a mistake when voting this year for Older Female horse.People called him out and then he said he made a mistake.I am among the many who don;t believe his story.

I have been a fan for about 35 yrs,if you think my comments about Singspiel and Diplomatic Jet are wrong check them out and tell me I am wrong.

Wait a minute. You originally wrote:

SOME ECLIPSE AWARD VOTERS HAVE ZERO CREDIBLITY DRAWING THE WHOLE PROCESS INTO QUESTION.

...and I asked you for information that would support that statement.

Coming back with nitpicking over prior decisions is simply offering a difference of opinion -- yours vs. theirs -- not evidence of credibility issues amongst some of the Eclipse award voters.

So I'll ask again: do you have any SPECIFIC information that would support your statement? Anything about voters being bribed to vote a certain way, or some sort of CREDIBLE evidence that a group of writers willingly colluded and agreed to vote a certain way? (Those sort of things would be indicative of credibility issues, not just "I don't like who they picked".)

Please name names, and specific charges, in order to maintain your own credibility here...unless you can't; then, perhaps you might want to retract that whopper.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 11:19:53 AM »

Please double check your facts.The BC was raced at Woodbine in 1996.Pilsudski won the race,Singspiel was 2nd and Swain 3rd.Singspiel raced one time before the BC in Canada and his next race was in Japan after the BC.How do you vote a horse an Eclipse who never raced in the U.S,. over Diplomatic Jet who won 3 GI'S on the turf that year ?

As far as Z I have already posted in another thread my feelings on this years Eclipse voting.I don;t agree but can see how they came up with it.


sorry, my bad, it was late when i posted and i DO agree that he never should have won the eclipse award.....but they got it by by saying it was called the NORTH AMERICAN  eclipse awards i guess......
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 11:23:40 AM »

Let me ask you a question.....if Zenyatta would have been voted HOTY, would have posted this?

LOL.

Legitimately, I think there are several aspects of the Eclipse Awards that can be discussed. Without question there is a "political" aspect and we saw that this year. However, I think that in terms of an East Coast bias, I think that's been overplayed. If I saw commentary on the number of graded stakes in NY and FL, KY, etc. as opposed to CA, then you can have a discussion. Unfortunately, even with the state of NY racing, the old adage still goes---as goes NY racing, goes the industry.

That will change, long-term, but East Coast racing, for the most part will still have the concentration and will lead. There are numerous reasons---geographic, weather, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 12:34:39 PM »

Wait a minute. You originally wrote:

...and I asked you for information that would support that statement.

Coming back with nitpicking over prior decisions is simply offering a difference of opinion -- yours vs. theirs -- not evidence of credibility issues amongst some of the Eclipse award voters.

So I'll ask again: do you have any SPECIFIC information that would support your statement? Anything about voters being bribed to vote a certain way, or some sort of CREDIBLE evidence that a group of writers willingly colluded and agreed to vote a certain way? (Those sort of things would be indicative of credibility issues, not just "I don't like who they picked".)

In the Journalist's Code of Ethics there is a section called " Seek the Truth and Report It ".
In this section it states they should test the accuracy of  information from all sources and exercise care to avoid  inadvertant error.Deliberate distortion is never admissable.How could they have voted an Eclipse Award to a horse who never raced in the U.S.over a horse who won 3 G1'S in the same year ?
How can a horse be named U.S. Male Turf Champion who never even raced over U.S. turf ?


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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2010, 05:11:51 PM »

The Journalist's Code of Ethics does not apply to extracurricular activity such as Eclipse award voting, but even if it did: you can't possibly meet the standard for a claim of "deliberate distortion" on the voting process unless you have PROOF of it.

I suggest you leave the lawyering to the lawyers. You aren't very good at interpretation and application of codified statutes.
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2010, 07:21:47 PM »

sorry, my bad, it was late when i posted and i DO agree that he never should have won the eclipse award.....but they got it by by saying it was called the NORTH AMERICAN  eclipse awards i guess......

I believe the one and only criteria for any of the horse Eclipses is "at least one North American start". That's what I read on another forum from a voter.

Perhaps if anyone with an actual vote stops by this thread they could confirm or deny.
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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2010, 07:23:10 PM »

LOL.

Legitimately, I think there are several aspects of the Eclipse Awards that can be discussed. Without question there is a "political" aspect and we saw that this year. However, I think that in terms of an East Coast bias, I think that's been overplayed. If I saw commentary on the number of graded stakes in NY and FL, KY, etc. as opposed to CA, then you can have a discussion. Unfortunately, even with the state of NY racing, the old adage still goes---as goes NY racing, goes the industry.

That will change, long-term, but East Coast racing, for the most part will still have the concentration and will lead. There are numerous reasons---geographic, weather, etc.

Not to mention, far more racetracks, and thus, people involved in racing who will get a vote.
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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2010, 09:50:41 PM »

I believe the one and only criteria for any of the horse Eclipses is "at least one North American start". That's what I read on another forum from a voter.

Perhaps if anyone with an actual vote stops by this thread they could confirm or deny.

Singspiel's resume says 1996 U.S. Male Turf Champion.I also would  like to know what criteria was used to determine how he was voted a U.S. Champion.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 12:36:08 AM »

and you are still evading answering my question.......Smiley 
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 10:08:06 AM »

and you are still evading answering my question.......Smiley 

I cannot say with certainty what I would have done since I discovered this info after the fact.I posted elsewhere that I can see how they voted RA the award but I do not agree with it.Singspiel is another story completely.Never won a race in the U.S. or won a BC race anywhere.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2010, 10:24:01 AM »

I cannot say with certainty what I would have done since I discovered this info after the fact.I posted elsewhere that I can see how they voted RA the award but I do not agree with it.Singspiel is another story completely.Never won a race in the U.S. or won a BC race anywhere.

and i agree with you 110%!!!! but i do think it's because like another poster wrote, to be eligible for a north american eclipse award you need to make 'X amt of STARTS' in north america and canada is part of n. america.... and he won i think two big stakes there before the bc turf?(i am not up on singspiel's race history, sorry..lol) .....and yes, diplomatic jet got TOTALLY ripped off.....
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2010, 10:33:50 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2010, 10:41:26 AM »

and i agree with you 110%!!!! but i do think it's because like another poster wrote, to be eligible for a north american eclipse award you need to make 'X amt of STARTS' in north america and canada is part of n. america.... and he won i think two big stakes there before the bc turf?(i am not up on singspiel's race history, sorry..lol) .....and yes, diplomatic jet got TOTALLY ripped off.....

Singspiel won 1 race before the BC and then finished 2nd in the BC.If the criteria is one N.A start for a U.S. award then the award loses even more credibilty.Dance Smartly was undefeated in 1991 becoming the only filly in history to win Canada's Triple Crown.She won 6 G1'S incluidng a BC race vs only 2 for G1'S for Black Tie Affair.

The logic I kept reading this year was RA had the better season and I get that.Now I would like an answer to how Singpiel was awarded an Eclipse.
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2010, 01:22:02 PM »



The logic I kept reading this year was RA had the better season and I get that.Now I would like an answer to how Singpiel was awarded an Eclipse.


does anyone REALLY care?Huh  it was 14 yrs ago.......
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2010, 05:52:31 PM »

does anyone REALLY care?Huh  it was 14 yrs ago.......

No, not really. And neither do the Eclipse voters have to answer to anyone at all about how or why they voted.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2010, 05:57:46 PM »

No, not really. And neither do the Eclipse voters have to answer to anyone at all about how or why they voted.

Thank You for letting all of us know how the people who were snubbed in 1996 still feel or felt.I forgot you had that ability.
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2010, 07:25:46 PM »

The time has come to replace the way Eclipse Awards are given and the people who do the voting.It is time for some system that make sense to eveyone.The most recent vote for HOY is only the latest vote to bring into questions about an East vs. West bias among other faults in the system.
Some of the people who voted this year were probably part of the same group who did the voting in 1996.They awarded an Eclipse Award to a horse that never even raced in the U.S. that year.Even the Canadians voters did not give this horse an award in 1996.Diplomatic Jet won multiple G1T races in the U.S. yet was beat out for the award.

SOME ECLIPSE AWARD VOTERS HAVE ZERO CREDIBLITY DRAWING THE WHOLE PROCESS INTO QUESTION.


You are 100% correct! We need to get rid of the "fix" in horse racing before it completely dies.  Undecided
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2010, 07:29:14 PM »

Thank You for letting all of us know how the people who were snubbed in 1996 still feel or felt.I forgot you had that ability.

It's only February 1, but I think this post has the "Most Unnecessarily Melodramatic Post of the Year" award wrapped up.

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"Nothing, Pete."

"C'mon, man -- you're practically in tears, and you look like death warmed over. What's up?"
 
"Alright, you really want to know? It's that damned HOY vote in 1996 that went to Singspiel -- I can't shake it off! I know it's been 14 years, but hey -- WRONG IS WRONG."

"Jim, wow, that's a long time to walk around steaming about some trivial award, don't you think?"

"Oh, that's nothing -- don't even bring up the Cubs - Mets game from Shea Stadium in September of '69! Tommie Agee was out at home that night, goddammit!!"

:::Pete s-l-o-w-l-y backs away and out of the room:::
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2010, 10:49:18 PM »

It's only February 1, but I think this post has the "Most Unnecessarily Melodramatic Post of the Year" award wrapped up.

The whole thread's got a serious leg up on Plain Old Most Unnecessary.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2010, 11:50:27 PM »

really.. there was no conspiracy with the HOY vote.. Hate to say it... I though Rachel deserved the award more..I would NOT have been upset if she had lost to Zenyatta... stop the whining, crying and hating.. if anything Zenyatta's losing gave us another year to watch her.... boy how much does THAT suck.. NOT
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« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2010, 09:27:26 AM »

.. if anything Zenyatta's losing gave us another year to watch her.... boy how much does THAT suck.. NOT

Losing the award had nothing to do with her retiring. Moss made up his mind to bring her back 3 days after he announced her retirement. He knows he has the best race horse ever and will prove it.
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2010, 09:33:03 AM »

Losing the award had nothing to do with her retiring. Moss made up his mind to bring her back 3 days after he announced her retirement. He knows he has the best race horse ever and will prove it.
whatever.. the timing of the announcement makes me wonder about that.. I really don't care what his motivation is, the horse is coming back, I can dream that he'll send her to Saratoga... they been on record saying they really don't like the Del Mar surface anyway so its not THAT far fetched...
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2010, 09:36:03 AM »

whatever.. the timing of the announcement makes me wonder about that.. I really don't care what his motivation is, the horse is coming back, I can dream that he'll send her to Saratoga... they been on record saying they really don't like the Del Mar surface anyway so its not THAT far fetched...

I hope you're right.
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2010, 09:48:40 AM »

I hope you're right.
a RA/Z matchup in the Go For Wand would get 50k at the Spa... and that's WITH NYRA's inept marketing.... you guys don't understand what the sport is up there... that whole area would be electric for the matchup of the ages
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2010, 10:15:14 AM »

a RA/Z matchup in the Go For Wand would get 50k at the Spa... and that's WITH NYRA's inept marketing.... you guys don't understand what the sport is up there... that whole area would be electric for the matchup of the ages

50K WINGS??   I think they'd need to open the infield! but alas, like u i can dream, but in all honesty, i expect them to avoid each other til  nov 6th at churchill.....(or 5th if they both opt for the Ladies Classic)...and even then if the track comes up slopply/muddy.......one might scratch....
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2010, 12:26:41 PM »

Losing the award had nothing to do with her retiring. Moss made up his mind to bring her back 3 days after he announced her retirement. He knows he has the best race horse ever and will prove it.

LOL!

All Moss did was "beat the street", just like he did when he found out just how weak the BC Classic came up -- he switched plans at the last minute and ran Zenyatta there instead of in the BC Ladies Classic.

Same with the HOY award -- news that Rachel won was one of the worst kept secrets of the year, so far; Moss got wind of it, too, and made his move, pulling Zenyatta back from retirement.

Nothing "bold" or ballsy about either move.

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2010, 02:53:09 PM »

LOL!

All Moss did was "beat the street", just like he did when he found out just how weak the BC Classic came up -- he switched plans at the last minute and ran Zenyatta there instead of in the BC Ladies Classic.


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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2010, 02:55:56 PM »

Nothing "bold" or ballsy about either move.

Obviously Rachel thought it was ballsy since she was a no show! laughing guy
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2010, 03:34:34 PM »

a RA/Z match-up in the Go For Wand would get 50k at the Spa... and that's WITH NYRA's inept marketing.... you guys don't understand what the sport is up there... that whole area would be electric for the matchup of the ages
Please don't jinx these beautiful mares.
May I remind you what happen to Go for Wand when she met Bayakoa.
Please ladies and gentlemen I am so  afraid a lot of hype about these great mares leads to tragedy please take the pressure off and when and where and if they meet lets give the trainers and owners some room to be able to scratch their horses if they are not right with out calling it dodge ball.
I have seen this happen so many times happen to great horses I do not want to see this happen to either of these great mares back off of them please.I don't want to ever see either mare loose !
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« Reply #38 on: February 02, 2010, 03:43:08 PM »

Man are you off base!  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

Mel, you can roll on the floor and laugh all you want, but if you go back through the DRF archives as little as 3 weeks before the BC, Shirreffs was still saying "LADIES Classic" for Zenyatta.

The switch to the BC Classic didn't happen until they scoped out the field and realized there wasn't much to beat. Zenyatta's connections might be timid, but they aren't stupid.
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« Reply #39 on: February 02, 2010, 08:49:23 PM »

 The right horse won, thats the bottom line. Ship somewhere.
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« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2010, 10:00:54 PM »

Obviously Rachel thought it was ballsy since she was a no show! laughing guy

RA had no choice....last i knew, she couldn't drive a horse van.... nyah
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« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2010, 10:34:16 PM »

RA had no choice....last i knew, she couldn't drive a horse van.... nyah

Not to mention, she was laid up at a farm somewhere LONG before Moss made his decision about the BC Classic.
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« Reply #42 on: February 03, 2010, 01:23:10 AM »

Man are you off base!  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

By the way...Moss / Shirreffs are at it again.

The nominations for the Dubai races came out today. No mention of Zenyatta. How come?

Are they ducking? Or are they scoping out how tough the fields come up before making a commitment?
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« Reply #43 on: February 03, 2010, 01:37:11 AM »

50K WINGS??   I think they'd need to open the infield! but alas, like u i can dream, but in all honesty, i expect them to avoid each other til  nov 6th at churchill.....(or 5th if they both opt for the Ladies Classic)...and even then if the track comes up slopply/muddy.......one might scratch....
Mare, they've had over 60 for the Travers before.. its tight like a sardine can but they'll do it
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« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2010, 01:44:51 AM »

No way let them both ship to the ARC!
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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2010, 01:51:00 AM »

No way let them both ship to the ARC!
screw the Arc.. Screw Dubai... they are U.S. horses  flag flag flag flag they belong here...
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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2010, 02:41:17 AM »

Wrong!
We are talking big money not east verse west junk.
Lets see Dubai cup purse of 4 or 5 million. Maybe they make it a 10 million if both those Ladies agree to race.
Well maybe fantasy but "boss Dee plane Dee plane boss."
Yeah well you do the math?
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2010, 07:17:33 AM »

No way let them both ship to the ARC!


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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2010, 09:29:53 AM »

Dubai World Cup is already $10 million this year.  I think that's ample money for either/both.  Let's face it, RA (as much as I was in her camp to get the Eclipse) will not be ready for World Cup if she's only just now had her first half-mile breeze - and an easy one at that.
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« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2010, 10:27:22 AM »

horses that go to Dubai almost never return as well as they left... there are VERY few exceptions to the rule... nme me 10 horses who came back at the same level as they left... that ship takes too much out of the horses.
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« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2010, 11:05:12 AM »

The World Cup has been run 14 times, better than  1/3 have returned to about the same level after the race.
Add in a repeat winner in their sprint race and your almost never comment is reduced to a lot of them do not return to the same level.
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« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2010, 12:19:04 PM »

 A lot of inaccuracies here or speculation with zero basis.
 #1 Zenyatta's handlers have stated they will not be going to dubai despite the fact its on synth. Another Lava Man, no at least he did try.
  #2 Rachel was never going to go to Dubai due to its synthetic surface which her owner has stated many times she will not be running on.
  #3 why in blazes would either run in the arc? Rachel is a dirt champion. Zen maybe would try it, but I doubt it very seriously since this horse does not ship and races on synth.
 Now perhaps at some point Zen owners will put there horse where they have stated they will, but never have. But if she stays in cali on synth these horses will never meet, and IMO she will be a great synth horse. What that means in the grand scheme of things I dont know.
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« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2010, 12:24:19 PM »

The World Cup has been run 14 times, better than  1/3 have returned to about the same level after the race.
Add in a repeat winner in their sprint race and your almost never comment is reduced to a lot of them do not return to the same level.

right.. how about Saratoga County who was dead within months of this ship... CIgar and Skippy are the 2 that come to mind that did it... give me names.. its a hard ship for whatever reason.  1/3 isn't good enough... sorry.. no sale
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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2010, 01:16:49 PM »

right.. how about Saratoga County who was dead within months of this ship... CIgar and Skippy are the 2 that come to mind that did it... give me names.. its a hard ship for whatever reason.  1/3 isn't good enough... sorry.. no sale

CIGAR,SINGSPIEL,SILVERCHARM,STREETCRY,CURLIN.
Exactly how much is almost never according to you ? Would it equal 5 of the 14 winners coming back to the same form or is almost never more like 1 or 2 ?
Any facts on Saratoga County or just more of your wild speculations ?
There is no question it is a tough ship but the race itself is a tough one.Many who have ran did so on the backside of the racing career.How much was really left in the tank anways ?
I am not selling anything just refuting your wild ALMOST NEVER claim.
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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2010, 05:13:28 PM »


Lets see Dubai cup purse of 4 or 5 million. Maybe they make it a 10 million if both those Ladies agree to race.

Its already $10 Million for this year.
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« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2010, 05:39:13 PM »

CIGAR,SINGSPIEL,SILVERCHARM,STREETCRY,CURLIN.
Exactly how much is almost never according to you ? Would it equal 5 of the 14 winners coming back to the same form or is almost never more like 1 or 2 ?
Any facts on Saratoga County or just more of your wild speculations ?
There is no question it is a tough ship but the race itself is a tough one.Many who have ran did so on the backside of the racing career.How much was really left in the tank anways ?
I am not selling anything just refuting your wild ALMOST NEVER claim.

Curlin lost twice after coming back.. I don't call that returning in the same form..Street Cry? righhhhhhhhht.. Silver Charm came back ok, but JUST ok.... Skippy came back better than Silver Charm or Singspiel IMO.. there is no speculation about Saratoga County.. he never raced again in the US after Dubai FACT
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« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2010, 06:13:55 PM »

Curlin lost twice after coming back.. I don't call that returning in the same form..Street Cry? righhhhhhhhht.. Silver Charm came back ok, but JUST ok.... Skippy came back better than Silver Charm or Singspiel IMO.. there is no speculation about Saratoga County.. he never raced again in the US after Dubai FACT

First off I have no idea who Skippy is.If you are referring to Skip Trial his pp's do not show a race in Dubai.
Curlin won 3 races and lost twice after the Dubai trip.Are you blaming his losses on the turf and poly to his Dubai trip ?
I never questioned whether SC died or ever raced again.I questioned you linking it to the Dubai trip.Please provide something other than your speculation to verify it.Your " almost never " and now " Curlin lost twice " comments are laughable at best.
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« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2010, 08:01:35 PM »

ship away
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