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CLOCKERTERRY
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« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2006, 01:38:56 AM »

I still hear no suggestions for other ways to fix things. No suggestions on how to compete with other states that have added money going to purses. Its enough to make one think that some of you just like to read/hear yourselves *** and complain.

Jim you know that's not right. There have been many suggestions made here in the past, but every single one of them YOU pooh-pooh - the harness tracks will never go along, the cheap horsemen will never go along, Hawthorne will never go along, Arlington will never go along, etc etc, always some faction of the horse racing industry itself will not go along. You have your mind made up that the only way to pull Illinois racing out of the doldrums is a miracle from on high, a golden bullet from outside all the internal strife, and you dismiss everything else out of hand. You might be right none of it is workable, but don't keep coming here saying no one has offered any alternatives, because we have.

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Some of you say that even with added money things will still be business as usual. Just what is business as usual anyway? Racing 5 days a week, yep that wont change. The racing dates, nope they wont change

Why? Too many race days is one of the problems here. Too long a season in total, and a long ho-hum season at our premier track. The year should be more like April through November, with just Memorial Day through Labor Day at Arlington. Maybe only four days a week. That's about all your customers are interested in. It would take some changes, for sure. BUT IT CAN'T HAPPEN! This faction of racing or that would never let it!

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What is it that is done here that is so bad compared to other tracks in NY, Ca., Fl, that you all want changed so badly? Id seriously like to know

A season that means something would be nice for starters. Something special to look forward to. A "holding" season at Hawthorne for the local horses most of the year, like Turfway is to Kentucky, and a premier meet at Arlington for a short spell. Like how everyone locally and nationally looks forward to a Keeneland or Churchill or a Saratoga or a Del Mar or Oaklawn, because they are short, and special, compared to the rest of the fare in that state. But not here. Our "premier" meet drags on for five months and is virtually indistinguishable from the "holding" meet, except some of us have to drive further. Would it take changes in laws and so on? Sure. And it's all something horse racing could do on its own. But will it? Hell no.
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« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2006, 05:53:08 AM »

Jim C.,the one thing the fan/gamblers would want out of this is more assurance of a level playing field - and that means better testing, security, and monitoring of the game. It can be done - it woudl require money to do and I don't see why that can't be part of this.

Also, at some point people will have to realize that the otb surcharge is counterproductive, I know this is a sacred cash cow - but someone with some brains needs to straighten them out that this is a false revenue stream - they lose more business than the surcharge makes them.
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« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2006, 08:14:47 AM »

We need to bring back night racing to Arlington Park. 
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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2006, 08:20:28 AM »

Nights at AP would be a good idea (not on weekends though) - A smaller step for AP that would make sense is to move Thursdays to the twilight program as Friday is already. Thursday is the going out night for alot of people - especially office crowds - people are too busy doing thier own thing on Fridays - so Thursday has morphed into the big night out for any office related activity, they certainlly would do alot better than they do now on Thursdays.
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« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2006, 08:28:16 AM »

We need to bring back night racing to Arlington Park.

Great, lets deregulate the racing dates. Let everyone race where they want and  when they want. Let the strongest survive. This would put at end to Balmoral.
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« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2006, 09:35:00 AM »

I think this document reflects who voted how. Note there were actually more yeas than nays, but eight of our brave respresentatives of the people, who were sent to Springfield to make decisions, simply voted "present". If one of these wussies is your district rep., write to them and tell them to get off their fat a** and at least take a stand. You didn't send them there and pay them to sit around eating bon-bons and voting "present".

List of "present" wussies:

Acevedo
Berrios
Boland
Bradley, R.
Colvin
Delgado
Lyons
Watson

My own Rep. voted no, but at least she took a stand, and now I can use her voting record to decide whether or not to vote for her in the election.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/94/house/09400HB1917_03032006_028000A.pdf
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« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2006, 10:03:31 AM »

Nights at AP would be a good idea (not on weekends though) - A smaller step for AP that would make sense is to move Thursdays to the twilight program as Friday is already. Thursday is the going out night for alot of people - especially office crowds - people are too busy doing thier own thing on Fridays - so Thursday has morphed into the big night out for any office related activity, they certainlly would do alot better than they do now on Thursdays.

David,

Thursday twilight racing at AP - not a bad idea. 
Doubt it will happen but creative thinking.

However, Fridays and Sundays always will be the busiest days
at AP - I would hate to see Arlington make any changes to the
perfect synergies of those 2 days.

Anyhow, just noticed ClockerTerry now has 666 posts - makes
one wonder.......Is evil something one does or is?Huh

Good luck at HAW everyone Smiley

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« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2006, 10:17:27 AM »

Just noticed ClockerTerry now has 666 posts

Just noticed robertv now has 71 posts - makes one wonder......how many were about horse racing subjects, and how many simply comments about other posters on the forum?
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« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2006, 10:24:02 AM »

I think this document reflects who voted how. Note there were actually more yeas than nays, but eight of our brave respresentatives of the people, who were sent to Springfield to make decisions, simply voted "present". If one of these wussies is your district rep., write to them and tell them to get off their fat a** and at least take a stand. You didn't send them there and pay them to sit around eating bon-bons and voting "present".

List of "present" wussies:

Acevedo
Berrios
Boland
Bradley, R.
Colvin
Delgado
Lyons
Watson

My own Rep. voted no, but at least she took a stand, and now I can use her voting record to decide whether or not to vote for her in the election.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/votehistory/94/house/09400HB1917_03032006_028000A.pdf


My Rep Mr. Speaker (Mike Madigan) voted yes, and I'm SURE that's it's only because I faxed him on behalf of my wife and myself (LOL).
I'm also sure the others in my district(but in Washington) that I e-mailed helped by by twisting Madigan's
non writing arm.
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« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2006, 10:31:05 AM »

As far as what we were doing to get ahead in 1995. First the world was pretty different back then as far as what people did with their free time. The internet was in its infancy. We had just passed the bill to allow full card simulcasting which if I recall we were one of the first states to do so. So the effort was there to change and compete, it just didn't work as advertised. I would also point out that it wasn't all that long ago that Illinois racing was in better shape then Ky. racing.

We attempted to compete in 1995 and lost. I can't remember ILL racing being in better shape than KY. 50s? 60s? As far as solutions, I think Terrry made an excellent point regarding a shortened, prestigeous meet at AP. Less racing the rest of the year would also help field sizes, potentially overall class of`racing and thus handle and revenue.  

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« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2006, 10:56:27 AM »

. If one of these wussies is your district rep., write to them and tell them to get off their fat a** and at least take a stand. You didn't send them there and pay them to sit around eating bon-bons and voting "present".




A present vote doesn't necessarily mean they were eating bon-bons - it is a tactical move to ensure they get what they need out of the deal - it is much easier politically to vote present and then vote yes than it is to vote no and then switch to yes. By voting present they signal they are open to discussion to those interested parties and it also lessens the potential political damage if they flip flop from a no to a yes, now they can claim they wouldn't take a stand before fully understanding/debating the issues.

Emil still wants a Southside casino - or at least trucks of  cash for the schools, so I don't think you are getting this through the Senate anyways without paying homage to that. The school cash would also end the Rev. Meek threat to run as a 3rd Party candiadate and in effect kick Blago out of office in the fall. This will all be a bigger deal before it is over with - perhaps too big that it will drown due to it's own weight - that has seemed to be the trend down there.
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« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2006, 11:07:50 AM »

This will all be a bigger deal before it is over with - perhaps too big that it will drown due to it's own weight - that has seemed to be the trend down there.

Hopefully it won't go the way of the slots issue that has been shot down for so many years. Before every session management at Hawthorne was "sure" that Springfield would vote "yes" only to be disappointed.
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« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2006, 01:02:30 PM »

As far as what we were doing to get ahead in 1995. First the world was pretty different back then as far as what people did with their free time. The internet was in its infancy. We had just passed the bill to allow full card simulcasting which if I recall we were one of the first states to do so. So the effort was there to change and compete, it just didn't work as advertised. I would also point out that it wasn't all that long ago that Illinois racing was in better shape then Ky. racing.

Thinking about the past. The same reasons that Ill racing has declined over the years still exist today. Corruption, greedy track owners, mismanagement, the Ill political environment, tracks and horsemen who think they are are owed a subsidy, no vision and no leadership. Without change, I believe the decline will continue. Slots (slot money) or no slots.

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« Reply #63 on: March 08, 2006, 03:50:53 PM »

Here is the latest I have heard on the bill. It actually did pass the House on the first vote. However, on the following confirmation vote, 2 members had "left" the floor who had voted yes. Realizing this the bill was pulled before the end of the confirmation vote. This usually happens to show that the bill has the votes to pass but that someone wants something in return for their vote. As it turns out Sen. Jones wants to have the same minority members in on the open 10th casino. In return for that he will free up the other 2 votes and will also help move it through the Senate.

The following Reps still need to be called and told to vote yes on the bill to help aid passage.

John Bradley

Voted No

618-997-9697

 

Brandon Phelps

Voted No but is on fence

618-253-4189

 

Maria Antonia Berrios “Toni”

Voted Present—could be swayed

773-235-3939

I will try and keep information flowing since there seems to be little of that happening on the T-bred side.

 

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