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« on: March 01, 2006, 09:23:56 PM »

Link to HB 1917

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09400HB1917ham002&GA=94&SessionId=50&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=16754&DocNum=1917&GAID=8&Session
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2006, 09:35:31 PM »

Doesn't it still need to be voted on though medic? With the full senate? Or is it now law?
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2006, 09:45:57 PM »

It passed a house executive session today and has support of all six horseman associations. I'm not sure whats next.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2006, 09:47:24 PM »

<<<<<Ol' Beau kneels down to say a prayer..>>>>>
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 09:58:47 PM »

It passed a house executive session today and has support of all six horseman associations. I'm not sure whats next.

I think what happens next is the riverboat lobbyists take a number of key lawmakers out to get fed, drunk, laid, and "contributed", and the bill sees no further light of day.

If there was an extra 3% tax on existing boats to pay for horse racing that went away when the 10th boat gets operating, however, it might be powerful incentive for them to quit messing around behind the scenes in that stinky 10th license affair.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2006, 10:07:36 PM »

isn't it something like 15% of the 10th license would go to horse industry?
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2006, 10:28:03 PM »

isn't it something like 15% of the 10th license would go to horse industry?

Yes, that would be the percentage from that 10th license. 3% of nine boats, or 15% of one boat, your call. I didn't read this bill fully yet. I thought it was the 3% until that 10th license was up, then back to the 15% of the one. I could be wrong on that.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2006, 01:23:18 AM »

What happens next is that the bill will go to the full house to be voted on and IF it passes it would then go on to the Senate for a vote, if passed there then on to the Gov's desk for his signature or veto. It may have to go to the Rules Committee before any vote takes place, I'm not sure though its been some time since I have been in Springfield playing the please pass our bill game.

I do not think all 6 associations are on board. I believe the IHHA is not backing the bill since it does not drop recapture and honestly I don't see how the ITHA can back the bill for the same reason. Since racing is only getting 3% in trade for the 15% from the 10th casino and the state paying recapture it seems we are again getting short changed here. By the time all the pieces of pie are handed out I don't see where the purse account is going to increase all that much. In the meantime the state will have the idea they have done all they need for racing so don't expect anything for a long time to come. So we are still stuck with recapture, no account wagering, host track, and no slots. One good thing I did read in the bill is that some of the money the tracks get will be based on handle so maybe we can expect to see some real competition for the gambling dollar. But as Terry has asked in the past, since the tracks are not having to spend anything or change anything and are still getting recapture why should they get any of the 3%? Shouldn't all that money go to purses, promotions, breeding etc?? Unless we see a plan as to what the tracks will do with that money OR they must be required to re invest all of that money into the game I just don't see all that much improvement on the horizon.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2006, 05:34:25 AM »

Jim C, The information I received was from the IHHA and the SA-IL. Both stated on there web sites that they support the bill and to call your reps. SA-IL said on there site that all associations support the bill. It does address recapture.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2006, 06:24:15 AM »

. . . Since racing is only getting 3% in trade for the 15% from the 10th casino and the state paying recapture it seems we are again getting short changed here.

The proposed bill is giving the tracks/industry free money and already we are being "short changed"

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2006, 08:51:20 AM »

Why doesn't the state require the tracks to do the same thing that they used to do with the split money before they receive any or part of this 3%?
The funds from the 3% would go into an interest bearing account, and in order to acquire any of the respective cash they would need to demonstrate that they have completed certain pre-determined criteria along with all supporting paperwork.

ex: Hawthorne installs a new energy management system for their HVAC system at a cost of $150,000.00

They would need to supply: 1)waivers of lien from contractors and suppliers
                                       2)anti-collusion statements from all above
                                       3)all paid invoices(attached to waivers)

For years the tracks had to complete this process in order to receive the split money, but about 5 years ago that rule just went away. The split money is approximately a few hundred thousand per year. The above is just one example of what they could do.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2006, 02:15:24 PM »

I spent some time reading this bill. It should be noted, a Rep. Angelo Saviano has submitted a new amendment 6 as of today, that is currently referred to the Rules Committee (which may or may not be meaningful, all the other amendments were rubber stamped in the executive committee). I'll comment on this below.

First thing to note is, this bill does not address Recapture at all. It only addresses Section 54 of the Horse Racing Act, about the Equity Fund. I went to the IHHA website to see what they had to say, since they occasionally update theirs, unlike our ITHA. They claim to have a separate contract agreement with the harness tracks to waive all future recapture if this bill passes, but I know of no similar agreement between ITHA and throughbred tracks. Thus, while this bill would bring more purse money to the table, it would just be more purse money for Arlington and Hawthorne to loot via recapture. Caveat emptor.

Highlights:

Writes a bunch of hooting and hollering about how dedicated the State is to horse racing. About as meaningul as the preamble to the 1999 bill. Says this bill may raise Illinois purses by 50% and vault it into the stratosphere of 2nd or 3rd in the nation in purses. Uh huh.

Amends the State Finance Act to hide the Horse Racing Equity Fund from the greedy governor, so he can't loot it to fill budget holes like he loots every other dedicated fund. Names a bunch of other pet funds he can't loot.

Amends the Horse Racing Act, specifically section 54 about the Equity Fund, to say that 60% of the money would go to purses, 57% of that to flats purses and 43% to harness. The other 40% of the money would go to the tracks, and be divided up 11% to Fairmount, and then the remaining according to percent of total Illinois live handle they generated, which by my estimation would be (of the remainder): harness tracks 44%, Arlington 36%, Hawthorne 20%. The bill also specifies that all the money the tracks get from the bill is supposed to be spent on things like facility improvement, marketing, etc. We know that's a joke - they would just spend this money and keep back whatever money they were already spending. There's nothing about spending any money at all to better fund the IRB for more testing and enforcement, and I have written my Rep. to express my concern about that.

Amends the Riverboat Gaming Act - 3% of AGR into the Horse Racing Equity Fund. One amendment exempted casinos under $50M, so that would be Rock Island. Then, originally, the section about 15% of the tenth license was removed, but today's Amendment 6 put it back in. Also, the section about the State contributing an equal amount to education as the 15% was originally struck out (so much for "the children" - POOF! but they were never really anyone's concern in the first place, were they? nudge nudge, wink wink), but today's amendment puts that back in, too. What I don't see in today's amendment is anything about rescinding the 3% of all AGR if the 15% of the 10th license kicks in.

That's my take on it, anyhow. I'm not a professional legislator, your results may vary. Here's a link to today's amendment, which includes most of the other amendments:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09400HB1917ham006&GA=94&SessionId=50&DocTypeId=HB&LegID=16754&DocNum=1917&GAID=8&Session=   
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2006, 03:59:17 PM »

Just a gut feeling here..

Although I would like to see HB1917 sail through all the committees and the governors' desk, because it would benefit all of us horsemen from owners/breeders, track owners, farm owners/workers, trainers, and all the way down the line to the betting public--something--deep down inside--is telling me it's not gonna happen-at least not right now. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I'll beleive it when I see it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2006, 04:31:53 PM »

Apparently it wasn't called today.

Good chance for tomorrow.

Stay tuned.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2006, 04:50:26 PM »

I e-mailed Rep. Lipinski on behalf of myself and my wife. It wouldn't hurt for everyone to get involved and do the same.
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2006, 05:38:42 PM »

Beua, Dan Lipinski is a US Congressman.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2006, 05:43:39 PM »

OK I also e-mailed Mike Madigan, and Blago, and Obama

Oops had to fax to Madigan due to no listed e-mail.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2006, 05:54:18 PM »

The real one you want to email is your local rep, that is someone you might influence - if your local rep is Madigan - but I doubt it is if Lipinski is your US Congressman  - then you have taken care of it as best you can.
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2006, 05:57:11 PM »

I'm in un-incorporated cook county, Lyons Township.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2006, 06:00:21 PM »

mmadigan@hds.ilga.gov

But honestly he isn't worth your time to email, he isn't going to be swayed by constituents - if you are even in your district.

A point to make, and this goes to your questioning the Ill Bred program, that the only point that really holds water with the legislature is the agcri business aspect of racing - they don't care that you want to make more money with your horses - they want to hear that if they increase the purses you will want to  have more horses being bred and raised in Illinois, which will in turn employ all the farm help, vets, blacksmiths, feed merchants and on and on as Terry had mentioned in a previous thread.
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2006, 06:04:50 PM »

http://www.ilga.gov/sitemap.asp

Look under legislature lookup - you just type your address in and it tells you who your guys are.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2006, 06:11:57 PM »

I don't know who you think you are David, but I'll bet that we (my wife and I) own more broodmares, yearlings, and sucklings on Illinois property (Monee) than you do right now at this immediate moment.
That's not to mention our race horses which also employ trainers, grooms, hotwalkers, exercise riders, vets, blacksmiths, etc.

So what's yer point. What are you doing to try to help push this through. If you want to sit on your laurels..be my guest. If you feel it's not worth my time--well it's my time, not yours.

Oh by the way:

Name District/Office Party
Daniel William Lipinski  3rd, US Representative  Democrat
Louis S. Viverito  11st, State Senator  Democrat
Michael J. Madigan  22nd, State Representative  Democrat
Barack Obama  US Senator  Democrat
Richard J. Durbin  US Senator  Democrat
Rod R. Blagojevich  Governor  Democrat
Pat Quinn  Lieutenant Governor  Democrat
Lisa Madigan  Attorney General  Democrat
Jesse White  Secretary of State  Democrat
Daniel W. Hynes  Comptroller  Democrat
Judy Baar Topinka  Treasurer  Republican
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2006, 06:27:39 PM »

I think the point here Beau is that this is a state house and state senate issue.  Writing Obama and Durbin, our US Senators, or Lipinski, your IS Rep, will do nothing as far as this bill goes.

However, definitely write your state reps, state senators and yeah, even Blago so he signs it if it passes.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2006, 06:28:53 PM »

Beau, I don't necessarily feel that Illinois racing deserves the bill, I was just trying to point you in the right direction as you feel it does need to get passed and you emailing a US rep or US Senator has absolutley nothing to do with getting this bill passed, I'm trying to be helpful to you - and you come back with your often bs attitude - if you think you are going to swing Mike Madigan on this issue - god bless you - you better have a big check book to get the dontations rolling - I assume that means you are in his district the list you posted- I wish you well.

If you take offense to my pointing out of the arguement that is able to sell the subsidy - that being agribusiness, that is all the downstaters care about - they don't care at all about horse trainers, jockeys or owners being able to make more money - that is just the hard truth of the matter. I just tried pointing this out to you - but why bother.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2006, 06:55:22 PM »

David, so you hope the bill isn't passed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinoin. The thing that bothered me was that you had made a negative(as usual) reply to one of my posts. In my e-mail I never even mentioned our horse racing business. I stressed agribusiness, but somehow you assumed that all we care about is racing.

"But honestly he isn't worth your time to email, he isn't going to be swayed by constituents - if you are even in your district.

A point to make, and this goes to your questioning the Ill Bred program, that the only point that really holds water with the legislature is the agcri business aspect of racing - they don't care that you want to make more money with your horses - they want to hear that if they increase the purses you will want to  have more horses being bred and raised in Illinois, which will in turn employ all the farm help, vets, blacksmiths, feed merchants and on and on as Terry had mentioned in a previous thread."
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