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ChitownSteve75
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« on: October 30, 2009, 05:26:57 PM »

They're leaning that way and she'll be tough to beat. Rip Van Winkle & Summer Bird will be heavily bet as well. If Zenyatta wins, she'll be the first and only mare to ever win the Classic.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2009, 05:36:13 PM »

For me she would be an automatic bet against, unless I received over 10-1 on her.  But I would love to see her win the race, it would be a great story.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2009, 05:54:19 PM »

She's going to be in a little tougher than she has been lately, love to bet mares against the boys but I can't see her winning.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2009, 07:45:10 PM »

I want her to be in that race and WIN so bad I can't stand it.   clover

I just worry for her.  I fell in love with her from the beginning.  And I'm not gay so no jokes!
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 02:26:05 AM »

For me she would be an automatic bet against, unless I received over 10-1 on her.  But I would love to see her win the race, it would be a great story.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 04:22:38 AM »

They're leaning that way and she'll be tough to beat. Rip Van Winkle & Summer Bird will be heavily bet as well. If Zenyatta wins, she'll be the first and only mare to ever win the Classic.

Not many have tried and most of the ones who have tried got ripped a new one.
she's fighting history I am afraid

Here's how the UK bettors see the race betting wise

Rip Van Winkle 2-1
Zenyatta 9-2
Summer Bird 8-1
Gio Ponti 12-1
Quality Road 12-1
Twice Over 16-1
richards Kid 25-1
Einstein 25-1
Colonel John 33-1
Regal Ransom 37-1

Zenyatta will be the ML fav at 5-2 followed by Rip at 7-2 but as you see the UK
bettors don't like Zenyatta nearly as much as the Americans. Last year you could only get 8-1 on Ravens but when the Americans bet he was 13-1 as Curlin took all the tourist money. This years tourist money will be Zenyatta. will the tourist win one this time. Doubtful. But it has been known to happen from time to time.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2009, 09:04:37 AM »

Azeri ran 5th in the 2004 Classic but take a closer look at that field compared to the one next Saturday. I feel that Azeri would be the M/L Fav in this years Classic as well as Zenyatta. Zenyatta is going to be very tough to deal with and if you throw her off the top of your tickets, you better leave her underneath the rest of them!

2004 Classic

1   Ghostzapper   Bobby Frankel   Javier Castellano   3-1
2   Freefourinternet   Michael Maker   Greta Kuntzweiller   50-1
3   Azeri   D. Wayne Lukas   Pat Day   15-1
4   Perfect Drift   Murray Johnson   Kent Desormeaux   15-1
5   Fantasticat   Bobby Barnett   Gerard Melancon   50-1
6   Roses in May   Dale Romans   John Velazquez   5-1
7   Birdstone   Nick Zito   Edgar Prado   6-1
8   Personal Rush   Kenji Yamaushi   Frankie Dettori   50-1
9   Funny Cide   Barclay Tagg   Jose Santos   6-1
10   Newfoundland   Todd Pletcher   Eibar Coa   20-1
11   Bowman's Band   H. Allen Jerkens   Cornelio Velasquez   50-1
12   Pleasantly Perfect   Richard Mandella   Jerry Bailey   5-2
13   Dynever   Christophe Clement   Corey Nakatani   15-1

You have 3 different Classic winners in here and 2 Dubai World Cup Winners! A Belmont winner, A derby winner, Peffect Drift & Dynever made $4-$5 million each? This and the 1998 field are the 2 best Classic fields of all time!
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2009, 09:05:45 AM »

I want her to be in that race and WIN so bad I can't stand it.   clover

I just worry for her.  I fell in love with her from the beginning.  And I'm not gay so no jokes!

I'm with you all the way on this one. Everyone will get a show before, during, and after the race.
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2009, 09:05:54 AM »

Thanks Exbourne!!
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 09:57:35 AM »

Not many have tried and most of the ones who have tried got ripped a new one.
she's fighting history I am afraid

Zenyatta will be the ML fav at 5-2 followed by Rip at 7-2 but as you see the UK
bettors don't like Zenyatta nearly as much as the Americans. Last year you could only get 8-1 on Ravens but when the Americans bet he was 13-1 as Curlin took all the tourist money. This years tourist money will be Zenyatta. will the tourist win one this time. Doubtful. But it has been known to happen from time to time.

 clocker biggestal

Azeri was the best to try and she was 15-1. That is a whole different story! The Euro's would make Secretariat the 2nd choice! lol
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 09:59:37 AM »

Azeri ran 5th in the 2004 Classic but take a closer look at that field compared to the one next Saturday. I feel that Azeri would be the M/L Fav in this years Classic as well as Zenyatta. Zenyatta is going to be very tough to deal with and if you throw her off the top of your tickets, you better leave her underneath the rest of them!

2004 Classic

1   Ghostzapper   Bobby Frankel   Javier Castellano   3-1
2   Freefourinternet   Michael Maker   Greta Kuntzweiller   50-1
3   Azeri   D. Wayne Lukas   Pat Day   15-1
4   Perfect Drift   Murray Johnson   Kent Desormeaux   15-1
5   Fantasticat   Bobby Barnett   Gerard Melancon   50-1
6   Roses in May   Dale Romans   John Velazquez   5-1
7   Birdstone   Nick Zito   Edgar Prado   6-1
8   Personal Rush   Kenji Yamaushi   Frankie Dettori   50-1
9   Funny Cide   Barclay Tagg   Jose Santos   6-1
10   Newfoundland   Todd Pletcher   Eibar Coa   20-1
11   Bowman's Band   H. Allen Jerkens   Cornelio Velasquez   50-1
12   Pleasantly Perfect   Richard Mandella   Jerry Bailey   5-2
13   Dynever   Christophe Clement   Corey Nakatani   15-1

You have 3 different Classic winners in here and 2 Dubai World Cup Winners! A Belmont winner, A derby winner, Peffect Drift & Dynever made $4-$5 million each? This and the 1998 field are the 2 best Classic fields of all time!

This doesn't seem like a very tough field to me!
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2009, 10:04:27 AM »

This doesn't seem like a very tough field to me!

LMAO. Your ignorance is GLARING on this thread with that comment!  doh
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2009, 10:07:19 AM »

This doesn't seem like a very tough field to me!

Here are the PP's of the 15-1 female in that race heading to the 2004 campaign and compare them to anything running today.

http://www.drf.com/eclipse/2003/pps/azeri.pdf
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2009, 10:12:38 AM »

This doesn't seem like a very tough field to me!
[/quoteThen what is a tough field then.
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2009, 01:25:33 PM »

LMAO. Your ignorance is GLARING on this thread with that comment!  doh

How many hall-of-famers in that field? We all know what a champion Funny Cide was. And Perfect Drift? Just because he raced for a long time doesn't make him great.
Check the 2000 Breeder's Cup if you want to see what a tough field looks like, genius.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2009, 06:17:04 PM »

How many hall-of-famers in that field? We all know what a champion Funny Cide was. And Perfect Drift? Just because he raced for a long time doesn't make him great.
Check the 2000 Breeder's Cup if you want to see what a tough field looks like, genius.


lol, I will teach you how to read a form one day!
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2009, 12:32:28 PM »

Looks like the Classic it is for Zenyatta.

http://www.drf.com/
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2009, 12:49:49 PM »

This doesn't seem like a very tough field to me!

Wow.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2009, 01:34:21 PM »

If Zenyatta wins, she'll be the first and only mare to ever win the Classic.

You're sure it won't be the first but not the only? Or not the first, but the only?
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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2009, 01:38:31 PM »

This doesn't seem like a very tough field to me!

Your credibility took a hit here.
Ghostzapper, Roses in May, Pleasantly Perfect, Perfect Drift, Birdstone, Dynever? That goes way deeper than this year's version - or most year's for that matter.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2009, 01:45:41 PM »

Are you the Marcus Hersh who works for the Daily Racing Form?
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2009, 04:51:24 PM »

Are you the Marcus Hersh who works for the Daily Racing Form?

Yes he is and he backs up my assessment of the '04 Classic. That race along with the '98 Classic are the 2 best ever (deepest).
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2009, 06:43:33 PM »

Steve,

Ghostzapper RIP.  The 2004 field  thumbs up  very very strong!!!!   heart Funny Cide, fed him a honeycrisp recently @ the K.Y. Horse Park.  Azeri was the original Zenyatta.  Summer Bird and Mind That Bird related to Birdstone?

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2009, 06:56:05 PM »

Ghostzapper RIP. 

Ghostzapper is alive and well. He is currently standing stud at Stronach's Adena Springs Farm in Kentucky. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2009, 07:00:00 PM »

Let's see where the mighty Zenyatta draws before figuring odds and/or chances. No matter, though, if she's anything less than 6-1 come post time, she's a huge underlay...Too much risk, considering her recent competition, and her first attempt against the boys.
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