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jester
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« on: March 08, 2006, 10:06:54 AM »

trotter clocker will tell and horsemen are going to bash the hell out of me for thinking this will not pass, and its a bad idea.the telcom industry was made to do the same thing, give products,technology,money,space,lines, use of employees,new is not better, and elected officals who write these bills are not the sharpest or looking out for your best intrest.not only that do  you think riverboats want to be nice and give you 3 percent of anything. lets face it springfield let them in,and the lottery also. you think the gov wants to let 3 percent of that curse  go.why should the greedy track owners get anything period. they are rich enough, all  money needs to go to the purses,without question.like all other legislation,either its dead or wont be brought up, like it or not its a move going nowhere,like all previous tries. dude



speaking truthfully,,,,,jester
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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2006, 10:15:20 AM »

jester, are you in favor of this type of legislation, which (recapture aside) guarantees the splits the horsemen of both breeds receive, even if it means bestowing a nice payday on the Gestapo, Tricky Dicky Mergerco., and the Careys and FP guy ?  Or, are you adamant that the owners don't deserve one red cent because they are ruining the game from the inside with their cheapskate ways, lack of customer concern, and mistreatment of the horsemen ?  Please clarify... trotter  TC
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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2006, 10:45:20 AM »

simply speaking horsemen, owners, always get high hopes and end up with thier dick in thier hand,promises not kept,legislation that goes nowhere.racinos are they only answer,taking from others is not the answer.they are not willing to give it up anyway. springfield started this mess,they cannot find a way to make bad decisions into good ones


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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2006, 10:49:42 AM »

simply speaking horsemen, owners, always get high hopes and end up with thier dick in thier hand,promises not kept,legislation that goes nowhere.racinos are they only answer,taking from others is not the answer.they are not willing to give it up anyway. springfield started this mess,they cannot find a way to make bad decisions into good ones


regards tc,,,,,,jester
I see your point...and it's well taken.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2006, 05:37:00 PM »

Here I am again agreeing with you jester, Springfield did create this mess, the only differance I can see is we let them. Why have we not pursued a top lobbiest who can get things done. Lets face it we are not able to read thru all the legal mumbo jumbo to know the wordsmithing that screws us every time! 
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2006, 06:46:59 PM »

Here I am again agreeing with you jester, Springfield did create this mess, the only differance I can see is we let them. Why have we not pursued a top lobbiest who can get things done. Lets face it we are not able to read thru all the legal mumbo jumbo to know the wordsmithing that screws us every time! 
Terry Hunt says not to worry...they have a lobbyist - YIKES !   trotter  TC
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2006, 07:00:15 PM »

As indicated previously, I agree that one RACINO could be the best solution we may be able to get.
If there was 1 racino (Maywood, Hawthorne, Arlington Park or even Balmoral) and agreed revenue sharing
of profits from the racino for Thoroughbred and Harness amongst ALL of the tracks, even the casinos
might support it (it would prevent SLOTS at ALL of the tracks in the future and eliminate the possibility of
the other Casinos having to pay the 3% of profits in the bill that was defeated).

If ALL horseman and Track Owners dropped the request for the Casino "tax" above and dropped the
future request for slots at ALL tracks in the future who knows, perhaps there could be ONE Racino
at 1 of the existing tracks that would be allowed to keep ALL of the net profits and have it divided
between ALL track owners and ALL horseman.

I hate to admit it but I do believe that MAYWOOD would be a perfect location for a RACINO.  It is centrally
located, has the land, the parking and, let's face it--most people who would go there would NOT be betting
on the horses--it would be a TREMENDOUS revenue generator from slots that could be used to subsidize
the Illinois racing program.

Forget about the track ownership--profits would be split according to the agreement established by
all track owners and horseman.  Let's face it--if everyone was GUARANTEED their cut of the money, a lot of the
parties would drop their individual demands.

I believe a UNITED request by all parties for ONE RACINO to be approved and a drop in demands for help
from the OTHER casinos or slots at ALL of the racetracks could be looked at as a permanent solution for
the Horse Racing Industry.

The KEY factor that would need to be in the legislation is that the RACINO could NOT be sold to another
party (Harrah's, MGM or ANYONE else).  Let's face it, as soon as a casino becomes licensed, it is worth
A FEW HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS typically.   What could be done to prevent this is to actually make the
Horseman and Track Owners stockholders in the Racino.  Then, if ALL parties did ever agree to a buyout,
the Horseman would be able to share in the windfall as well.

Just my opinion.....
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2006, 09:10:54 PM »

very interesting opinions here, I def agree that casino at maywood is interesting, the place would have to be rehabbed and made into a cutting edge facility...for the horseplayers as well! Not to mention that 1/2 mile tracks need to be protected before they are a thing of the past.
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2006, 09:26:35 PM »

very interesting opinions here, I def agree that casino at maywood is interesting, the place would have to be rehabbed and made into a cutting edge facility...for the horseplayers as well! Not to mention that 1/2 mile tracks need to be protected before they are a thing of the past.

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When one really looks objectively at many of the boats, they are certainly not that beautiful inside or outside.  The reality is that most slot players don't really care what the casino looks like as long as there are machines to put their money into to try to win their win their $1 million dollar jackpots.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2006, 11:48:13 PM »

Very interesting topic, these are the topics that need to be discussed and researched. Keep up the forward thinking. I like it when people think proactive not reactive.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 12:49:53 AM »

As indicated previously, I agree that one RACINO could be the best solution we may be able to get.If there was 1 racino (Maywood, Hawthorne, Arlington Park or even Balmoral) and agreed revenue sharing of profits from the racino for Thoroughbred and Harness amongst ALL of the tracks, even the casinos
might support it (it would prevent SLOTS at ALL of the tracks in the future and eliminate the possibility of the other Casinos having to pay the 3% of profits in the bill that was defeated).

Isn't this the same idea Dick Duchossois floated in 1994, for the "racetrack casino"? Those with better memories, why did that fail?
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 04:03:37 AM »

I know that evangeline uses the term "RACINO", but personally I dislike it...it is a racetrack w/ a casino... and def not vice-versa though some may say differently!
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 07:55:54 AM »

 trotter fans, go 300miles west down rte 80 to  prairie meadows, you will see a beautiful casino, racing flourishing, and wall to wall people.


hoping for the best,,,,jester
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2006, 08:36:46 AM »

The problem is the State is backwards in so many areas, not just the shabby way it treats the horse industry.  Then ,they are shocked when folks buy smokes from Indiana or Native American sources.  I buy 50% of my gasoline in Indiana, but I'm lucky my travels take me there a couple times a week. Before that, I'd leave Early when going to Balmoral and make a short hop to Hoosier land for gas and smokes. I've seen a lot of good ideas posted here, but no matter how good they are it makes no difference.It's all politics and business as usual.  We are among the bottom states in funding education.  The current system sucks and has needed to be reformed for decades.  Gov. Blow Dry answer has been to raid pension funds!  There is an election coming up.  We need a leader who is willing to correct many of the wrongs that are holding us back in so many areas.  Is there one out there? I don't know.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 10:06:54 AM »

trotter fans, go 300miles west down rte 80 to  prairie meadows, you will see a beautiful casino, racing flourishing, and wall to wall people.

How many of those people paying attention to the racing?
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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2006, 10:17:02 AM »

not wanting to get involved in illinois politics (you elected em you keep em) but comparing them to mine here in o HI o ... for many years the president of the o HI o general assembly was a man named corwin nixon whom..correct me if im wrong..was also the president of the usta...(sound familiar illinois fans?) .. he couldnt get any legislation passed to help harness racing here in ohio.. slots/vlts/casino and his party ..the GOP.. controlled both houses but still other less connected people shoot it down as it seems only the reps who have a track(vested interest) or a breeding farm in their districts will vote to expand gaming ... and one word/point of note ... be careful of asking any political type to fix a problem, once they start micro managing  (meaning anal examining) our sport they may leave politics to get in the horse bidness 'cause its easier to be a crook in the horse bidness than it is in politics nowadaze
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2006, 11:26:34 AM »

who cares who watches the races at a racino. the object is to get them there, the money spent is generating huge moves into the purses

hoping to get back into the game,,,,jester
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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2006, 01:04:13 PM »

The problem is the State is backwards in so many areas, not just the shabby way it treats the horse industry.  Then ,they are shocked when folks buy smokes from Indiana or Native American sources.  I buy 50% of my gasoline in Indiana, but I'm lucky my travels take me there a couple times a week. Before that, I'd leave Early when going to Balmoral and make a short hop to Hoosier land for gas and smokes. I've seen a lot of good ideas posted here, but no matter how good they are it makes no difference.It's all politics and business as usual.  We are among the bottom states in funding education.  The current system sucks and has needed to be reformed for decades.  Gov. Blow Dry answer has been to raid pension funds!  There is an election coming up.  We need a leader who is willing to correct many of the wrongs that are holding us back in so many areas.  Is there one out there? I don't know.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2006, 12:11:57 PM »


You are right, but who is it?
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2006, 09:11:33 PM »

very interesting opinions here, I def agree that casino at maywood is interesting, the place would have to be rehabbed and made into a cutting edge facility...for the horseplayers as well! Not to mention that 1/2 mile tracks need to be protected before they are a thing of the past.
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Do you really believe that with politics the way it is in Illinois And Chicago Maywood would be the first choice for another casino in Illinois? Mayor Dick and Gov. Rod do not have the best interests of racing in Illinois as their main or any priority. If they did something would be done by now. Unfortunately it's all about political contributions and contracts for the contributors. As a racing fan it is very upsetting but where do we go? Whom do we vote fo. Ryan screwed his opportunity up and Gov. Rod is too worried about living in Chicago and keeping his hair together. Maybe we need to get him one of Bob Shaws toupees so he has one less thing to worry about.
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