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« on: September 12, 2009, 09:03:44 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIie9ac0b58
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 02:31:10 AM »

Hey wiz, do you happen to have a link to the us pacing championship ( I believe it was at Yonkers either 85,86, or 87) When Mr. Delrae went from last to first in about 7 strides with Dave Magee. Thanks
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 07:19:27 AM »

I will attempt to dig that up. I definitely remember the race. I was there and it was really something to see.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 08:18:51 AM »

I will attempt to dig that up. I definitely remember the race. I was there and it was really something to see.
Thanks
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 08:20:07 AM »

Hey wiz, do you happen to have a link to the us pacing championship ( I believe it was at Yonkers either 85,86, or 87) When Mr. Delrae went from last to first in about 7 strides with Dave Magee. Thanks


Here's a great site to watch a ton of older races if you have a lot of time on your hands.


http://harnessracing.ws/Harness-Racing-Videos.htm

Dom is always adding more races to it .
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 08:51:54 AM »

Here's the race. It was 1984.

http://harnessracing.ws/videos/1984-US-Pacing-Championship.wmv
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 09:45:25 AM »

After seeing those videos, I have an interesting story to share with those of you who either do not or did not live near Roosevelt Raceway.

As we all know, there was not an immediate demolition of Roosevelt Raceway. Even though they said they were closing, all the basicly did on the last night was turn off the lights, close the doors and walk out. That always led to some sort of rumors of a new purchase, take over or refurbishing.

At the same time though, Roosevelt Raceway was also the home to what was then the nations largest flea market. Every Wednesday and Sunday. Indoors and outdoors year round. It was not uncommon for them to get 50,000 cars a day and even as late as 1994, the flea market was paying $2 million a year in rent and laughing all the way to the bank.

As time passed and it became more and more apparent thatthe owners would never be coming around ever agai and since we had the keys to the elevators in the clubhouse, access to the upper floors and the old drivers areas, we started to explore the place.

Like I said, on the last night, they just closed the doors and walked out. As we started to explore the place, we went ot the Cloud Casino. All the plates and kitchen items were all stacked up as if they were expecting to be open the last night. One of the places we found was the press box and media room. There we found what was to us a huge storage area of films, old fashioned movie reels, photos, press packets, trophies. You name it

I will admit we took some boxes but never really knew what we had and we sure didnt know what E-Bay was then but Im glad that a lot of those films appears to have found its way into the right hands and can be preserved some how.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 10:50:32 AM »

thats a nice little score for you guys


funny how the Roosevelt people just left everything there and closed up


imagine if the yankees did that before moving out of their old stadium
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2009, 11:04:19 AM »

I will admit we took some boxes but never really knew what we had and we sure didnt know what E-Bay was then but Im glad that a lot of those films appears to have found its way into the right hands and can be preserved some how.

 I wouldn't be holding your breath on that!

 Rumor has it that the Roosevelt Legacy Project at the Harness Museum has been put on hold for lack of funds (contributors)

 The items have already been in storage since 1995 (14 years) with everybody and their uncle searching the WWW for materials on Roosevelt Raceway.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2009, 11:13:36 AM »

funny how the Roosevelt people just left everything there and closed up

 There have been many instances in harness racing where precious items were simply abandoned or trashed.

 Francis X. Ready during his tenure as USTA executive VP (1982-93) filled a couple of trash dumpster with historical items in an attempt to gather more facility space.

 After the 1984 season and when Ladbroke purchased DRC (making their sole focus T-Bred only), the Mich ORC was contacted for the possibility of a home for previous 30+ years of racing materials accumulated from both breeds. The Mi-ORC was without any budget to store the items and they simply went into dumpsters.

 These are not sole examples, it happens frequently and even with private libraries when family members are without interest or understanding of what effort has been made for the accumulation,
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2009, 11:23:47 AM »

Another old track story that some of you may know about is the failed Phoenix Trotting Park in GoodYear Arizona, 20 miles west of downtown Phoenix on Interstate 10.

James Dunnigan, who operated Buffalo Raceway in the 50's and 60's was doing well, but got over-extended building this monster. Handle was poor, and the dirt roads that lead out to the place in the desert would wash out when the monsoon rainstorms came.  Also, greyhound racing was alive and well there and they had a nice facility right in the south part of town. Phoenix Greyhound Park is still there today racing 7 nights a week, and handles about 250k a night.

A year ago I stopped and drove around the old harness track. Grafitti and broken beer bottles litter the place, and it is fenced, but you can get in and walk around.  To an old harness fan, it felt like finding the sunken Titanic.  The escalators, frozen in time covered in dust and pigeon poop are still intact. Old pari-mutuel tickets on the floor, mostly faded.  Remember them?  The $2.00 tickets were gray with black border, the $5 variety was red, $10 were blue and the high rolling $50 tix were green.  I did scoop up a few of those, and an old sign that hung above a tellers window "$6 combination tickets".  LOL Combination, win-place-show.......how convenient.  Ah yes, the old memories are good to have.

Here is a picture of what it looks like today. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2009, 11:34:24 AM »

thats a nice little score for you guys


funny how the Roosevelt people just left everything there and closed up


imagine if the yankees did that before moving out of their old stadium

Wizard,

In looking back on it, the crooks who bought Roosevelt from Gulf & Western really could have cared less about it as a race track. Also as time as passed and you see interviews with people who worked at the track or were horsemen there, they always thought that at some point, the place would be saved. I guess that is what ultimately led to it being left the way it was.

Ironicly, in the late 1990's there was even a rumor that George Steinbrenner, who then was very much into racing, was part of a group looking to purchase the track  as part of a plan which would have included buying the Islanders hockey team, a new coliseum and shopping but that obviously never happened.

I always like to as the "What if this happened?" and I have always thought that George Morton Levy was just that far ahead of his time but what if when Levy died, the track stayed with his family and that ownership group and then the slots were passed?

Imagine Roosevelt Raceway being the first track with slot machines. Imagine them with the 5,500 machines. Where would racing there be today?
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2009, 11:45:38 AM »

Another old track story that some of you may know about is the failed Phoenix Trotting Park in GoodYear Arizona, 20 miles west of downtown Phoenix on Interstate 10.

James Dunnigan, who operated Buffalo Raceway in the 50's and 60's was doing well, but got over-extended building this monster. Handle was poor, and the dirt roads that lead out to the place in the desert would wash out when the monsoon rainstorms came.  Also, greyhound racing was alive and well there and they had a nice facility right in the south part of town. Phoenix Greyhound Park is still there today racing 7 nights a week, and handles about 250k a night.

A year ago I stopped and drove around the old harness track. Grafitti and broken beer bottles litter the place, and it is fenced, but you can get in and walk around.  To an old harness fan, it felt like finding the sunken Titanic.  The escalators, frozen in time covered in dust and pigeon poop are still intact. Old pari-mutuel tickets on the floor, mostly faded.  Remember them?  The $2.00 tickets were gray with black border, the $5 variety was red, $10 were blue and the high rolling $50 tix were green.  I did scoop up a few of those, and an old sign that hung above a tellers window "$6 combination tickets".  LOL Combination, win-place-show.......how convenient.  Ah yes, the old memories are good to have.

Here is a picture of what it looks like today. 




I found a You Tube video some guy did on that track,
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2009, 11:49:48 AM »

good stuff buffaloboy


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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2009, 12:16:44 PM »

good stuff buffaloboy


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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2009, 12:21:41 PM »

Here is a clip of the Bay Meadows demolition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTJfheWgrYM
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2009, 02:47:10 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU0X6yHG9tM&feature=related



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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2009, 04:00:35 PM »

You know, there used to be a time when we just posted videos of accidents. Now we show videos of them blowing up the whole damned track.
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2009, 04:23:35 PM »

BB; Refresh my memory, you being of eastern upbringing, and me of western...

Which track was it that fans set the garbage cans on fire, or was it the entire grandstand,
when a payoff on the newly offered trifecta payoff came back short with the 3 favorites off
the board?

I was thinking it was Monticello, or Roosevelt?  Any details on that would be appreciated.
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2009, 06:45:06 PM »


yonkers is the answer and i was there

an angry mob stormed the paddock shouting " we want insko" !!!!

4 busloads of police were sommoned from NYC and tons of arrests were made

the horse who ran 1-2 were Mr Ace and Moonstone Bay....Billy Myer drove the winner

Fires burned, damage was enormous--the year was 1968


it was a wild wild scene


now,,,,,exactas come up half of what they should and people just turn the page.......or go bet a 3k claimer at Evangeline.....nobody really cares much about the game anymore.
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2009, 07:21:58 PM »

BB; Refresh my memory, you being of eastern upbringing, and me of western...

Which track was it that fans set the garbage cans on fire, or was it the entire grandstand,
when a payoff on the newly offered trifecta payoff came back short with the 3 favorites off
the board?

I was thinking it was Monticello, or Roosevelt?  Any details on that would be appreciated.


Grinder, my friend, you refer to the Great Roosevelt Raceway Riot of 1963. Long story short, back then they had what was called "The Twin Double" (You needed to hit both doubles).

On one particular night, they sold 85,000 tickets on that bet. However, in first leg of the Twin Double, there was an accident, just two of the eight horses finished the race and they declared the race official with a huge long shot being declared the winner.

I wasnt alive for it and I havent seen anything to say that show bets were refunded or even if there was a triple on that race (back then they may not have even have had the triple yet or maybe just had one or two a night).

Any way, with that long shot being declared the winner, 82,000 of the 85,000 Twin Double tickets were toast. Needless to say, some of my fellow New Yorkers were not pleased with not declaring the race a non-starter and by rule, the decision then to make it official was correct.

To demonstrate their displeasure, fans rushed onto the trackj and infield, destroyed the tote board and tried to burn the place down.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1075374/index.htm
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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2009, 08:40:36 PM »

Yes, that was an earlier incident and I happened to be there that night as well.


The fans stormed the track and remained on there for a good 2 hours. I have a video of the entire incident somewhere.  It was actually sold on ebay some years back .The above incident was 5 years later

Several thousand pepole were on the racetrack during the Roosevelt incident and it took quite awhile before Long Island and New York police arrived. Garbage cans were burned everywhere. It was pretty scary. These people took it quite seriously and did indeed want to destroy the whole place


Buffalboy.....the triple was not started at Roosevelt until 1970 if memory serves correct. The Twin Double was eliminated in the mid 60's ---interestingly enough it wasnt because of the riot, but because certain groups were buying up all the live tickets after the first double thus insuring themselves cashing--keep in mid that you had 'exchange windows' and these groups would camp out at these windows offering  to buy your live tickets.....They made some huge scores and evetually many were caught. They were holding almost all of the live tickets on many nights. The track promptly scrapped the twin double. On some nights the pools were as high as $200,000

The '68 incident at Yonkers was nearly as bad, but not quite the magnitude of the Twin double fiasco. There were plenty of injuries on both occasions


These things don't happen anymore, because nobody is at the tracks. Its agood thing, because the judges at many harness tracks have made more horrific decisions in the last 10 years than anyone could have ever imagined

Luckily, nobody is there to witness these dreadful calls.
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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2009, 08:45:20 PM »

Hey wiz, do you happen to have a link to the us pacing championship ( I believe it was at Yonkers either 85,86, or 87) When Mr. Delrae went from last to first in about 7 strides with Dave Magee. Thanks


The half mile track legs were held at Roosevelt during that time. The race you're talking about was 1984. Mr. Dalrae made a huge move and then held off Division Street.

Here's the '85 Roosevelt leg. Mr. Dalrae going a huge trip but just not strong enough to get OTRA. I think Dave was hurt pretty bad that summer and Joe Marsh Jr. drove the horse out east. Dale Hiteman won the Sportsman's leg with him that year. His best race might have been at Hinsdale when he parked Falcon Seelster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFUF749Is1g
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2009, 08:59:15 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2009, 09:12:58 PM »

Yes, that was an earlier incident and I happened to be there that night as well.


The fans stormed the track and remained on there for a good 2 hours. I have a video of the entire incident somewhere.  It was actually sold on ebay some years back .The above incident was 5 years later

Several thousand peole were on the racetrack during the Roosevelt incident and it took quote awhile before Long Island and New York police arrived. Garbage cans were burned everywhere. It was pretty scary. These people took it quite seriously and did indeed want to destroy the whole place


Buffalboy.....the triple was not started at Roosevelt until 1970 if memory serves correct. The Twin Double was eliminated in the mid 60's ---intestingly enough it wasnt because of the riot, but because certain groups were buying up all the live tickets after the first double thus insuring themselves cashing--keep in mid that you had 'exchange windows' and these groups would camp out at these windows offering  to biy your live tickets.....They made some huge scores and evetually many were caught. They were holding almost all of the live tickets on many nights. The track promptly scrapped the twin double. On some nights the pools were as high as $200,001

The '68 incident at Yonkers was nearly as bad, but not quite the magnitude of the Twin double fiasco. There were plenty of injuries on both occasions


These things don't happen anymore, because nobody is at the tracks. Its agood thing, because the judges at many harness tracks have made more horrific decisions in the last 10 years than anyone could have ever imagined

Luckily, nobody is there to witness these dreadful calls.


Wizard,

I proudly bow to your great knowledge of Roosevelt's history. Oddly enough, going back to when we broke into the press room, I remember seeing reels of film and onf of them was clearly marked "Riot" and they had pictures with it in a packet.

Now I am pissed for not grabbing it all lol

Let me test your knowledge now ... on two occasions (that I am aware of), Roosevelt Raceway hosted non-betting cards which were closed to the general public and specificly for dignataries ... name the two dignataries .. and others if you may know them.
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