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NIATROSS
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2009, 06:52:48 PM »

Except that the fine and penalty were already assessed -- Mullins had nothing to gain from making the apology. He could have simply walked away from it without saying anything.

Then you could take a shot at him for not showing any remorse whatsoever, I suppose. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It's pretty clear your mind was already made up to not give the guy a fair shake.


Nothing to gain ?  doh doh doh doh doh doh doh

How about a little PR job to try and improve his image and make himself look good after he just got busted.Yes,I did make up my mind.He was guilty of breaking the rules and the facts supported it.How did I not give him a fair shake ? Just cuz the guy tried to pass off part of the  blame on the security team ? His list of infractions continues to grow while the game suffers and I did not give him a fair shake ?
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2009, 09:46:11 PM »


Nothing to gain ?  doh doh doh doh doh doh doh

How about a little PR job to try and improve his image and make himself look good after he just got busted.

Maybe if you'd stop  doh  slapping your forehead, you could think clearly.

Come on now -- who did his apology influence? You?

Those that think the guy is guilty as sin and use him as a poster boy for "all that is wrong with the game" still don't like the guy after the apology. Others (like me) who think that he just pushes everything to the limit, and (unfortunately) crosses the line from time to time, didn't care if he apologized or not.

Who's left? Who was influenced by his apology? To whom is he "spinning"?

No one, that's who.

Yes,I did make up my mind.

So, no matter how heartfelt the apology might be -- and we don't really know if it was or wasn't -- doesn't matter to you. Guy made a mistake (or, "another mistake", if you prefer) -- cut his head off, the end.

You do get points for honesty, though -- but then you immediately lose them for having a closed mind.
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NIATROSS
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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2009, 07:23:03 AM »

Maybe if you'd stop  doh  slapping your forehead, you could think clearly.

Come on now -- who did his apology influence? You?

Those that think the guy is guilty as sin and use him as a poster boy for "all that is wrong with the game" still don't like the guy after the apology. Others (like me) who think that he just pushes everything to the limit, and (unfortunately) crosses the line from time to time, didn't care if he apologized or not.

Who's left? Who was influenced by his apology? To whom is he "spinning"?

No one, that's who.

So, no matter how heartfelt the apology might be -- and we don't really know if it was or wasn't -- doesn't matter to you. Guy made a mistake (or, "another mistake", if you prefer) -- cut his head off, the end.

You do get points for honesty, though -- but then you immediately lose them for having a closed mind.

Interesting how in another thread you posted the claiming game is infested with crooks yet you seem to think that some trainers like Mullins just push the limits more than others.
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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2009, 08:37:29 AM »

Interesting how in another thread you posted the claiming game is infested with crooks yet you seem to think that some trainers like Mullins just push the limits more than others.

These positions are not inconsistent, if you would have just asked.
 
When the backside of any track catches wind of any guy with money to spend, that's when the flim-flam men appear: the less-than-honest-and-capable trainer, the so-called "bloodstock agent", etc...any and all of whom want to be your "friend" and "help you find a good horse"...for a small fee, of course. Uh, yeah, no thanks.

About the only thing these guys are going to help you find is a hole in the pocket where your money was.

Now, what is it that you think any of this has to do with Jeff Mullins, Mr. All Wise And Knowing? Where's that head-slap icon?
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NIATROSS
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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2009, 10:24:40 AM »

These positions are not inconsistent, if you would have just asked.
 
When the backside of any track catches wind of any guy with money to spend, that's when the flim-flam men appear: the less-than-honest-and-capable trainer, the so-called "bloodstock agent", etc...any and all of whom want to be your "friend" and "help you find a good horse"...for a small fee, of course. Uh, yeah, no thanks.

About the only thing these guys are going to help you find is a hole in the pocket where your money was.

Now, what is it that you think any of this has to do with Jeff Mullins, Mr. All Wise And Knowing? Where's that head-slap icon?


Thank You for the compliment.

If you choose to believe that is different then the same trainers coming up positive or breaking the rules when a " NEW MEDICINE " comes along  that's up to you.They both have someone taking money from one hand and giving to the other.Cheating / stealing  is the same in my book.
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« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2009, 11:13:51 AM »

Cheating / stealing  is the same in my book.

Depends on who is benefitting from it, doesn't it?

For example, it might be considered "cheating" to sell fireworks to Illinois residents when you know it is clearly illegal for those people to have said fireworks...but hey, as long as you are making money, it's OK to turn a blind eye to it. Right?

Point is, get off your moral high horse. You're not "above it all". If you had horses with a trainer and he was making you money, I seriously doubt that you'd be asking too many questions about how he's getting it done. And neither would I.
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« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2009, 12:35:26 PM »

Depends on who is benefitting from it, doesn't it?

For example, it might be considered "cheating" to sell fireworks to Illinois residents when you know it is clearly illegal for those people to have said fireworks...but hey, as long as you are making money, it's OK to turn a blind eye to it. Right?

Point is, get off your moral high horse. You're not "above it all". If you had horses with a trainer and he was making you money, I seriously doubt that you'd be asking too many questions about how he's getting it done. And neither would I.

I am not on any moral high horse and do not claim to be above it all.I have broken plenty of rules / laws in my life and have paid the price for doing so.I did not cry about the law being too severe I just accepted my punishment and moved on.I have posted  more than once I am for tougher laws in all walks of life.The tougher the law is the more it has stopped me from doing some things I should not be doing.Just like the recent tax increases on cigarettes if you make the price / penalties high enough for the infractions the amount will come down.

How is it considered cheating for someone in  IN to sell someone fireworks from IL who crossed the state line ?  Just like the trainer who knowingly uses drugs illegally  not the trainer who provided the drugs the person buying the fireworks is the one breaking the rules / law.


Bad analogy on your part.You say it can be considered cheating for the person selling the fireworks to do so yet you will not call Mullins a cheater only that he pushes the limits.
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« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2009, 01:35:58 PM »

How is it considered cheating for someone in  IN to sell someone fireworks from IL who crossed the state line ?  Just like the trainer who knowingly uses drugs illegally not the trainer who provided the drugs the person buying the fireworks is the one breaking the rules / law.


Bad analogy on your part.You say it can be considered cheating for the person selling the fireworks to do so yet you will not call Mullins a cheater only that he pushes the limits.

Only a bad analogy when you rewrite what I wrote in your own hand.

I didn't say it was cheating for someone in Indiana to sell fireworks to someone from Illinois. I said it "might be considered" cheating. It's definitely pushing the limits. If some kid in Illinois got hurt from fireworks purchased in Indiana, there might not be criminal penalties, but civil action is definitely possible. Just copping an attitude of "hey, it's legal here" doesn't always work in civil jurisprudence.

The fireworks example isn't much different than one where someone who lives where coca leaves are grown and considered to be legal to deal in those leaves with someone who clearly has illegalities in mind.

Shades of gray -- that's what we are talking about here. You want to shut Mullins down for his pushing the limits. Folks here in Illinois want to shut down the Indiana fireworks sellers. The U.S. wants to shut down the coca leaf growers.

All peas in the same pod. Just depends on whether or not it's YOUR ox that is getting gored.
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2009, 03:31:23 PM »

Since this thread is focusing on legality, I hope it's OK to ask my question here instead of starting a new one.  (It's not exactly about horse racing0

Who should be in trouble in the case of the poison polo ponies?  The pharmacy, of course, but what about the legality issue with the drug and who decided to use it?  It's all very confusing to me.
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« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2009, 03:42:44 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2009, 07:20:01 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/sports/30horse.html?_r=1&ref=sports
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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2009, 07:49:34 PM »

What is really irritating is that the TVG guys and others in the media will continue to act like Mullins is just a wonderful and upright individual and never mention the long trail of violations that he has. Another reason for some type of National Racing Board.
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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2009, 07:59:12 PM »

TVG is trying to sell it's product and right or wrong as long as guys like Mullins give nice paddock interviews TVG will continue to fawn all over them. Talking about trainers busted for drug violations doesn't help TVG sell it's product.
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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2009, 09:10:01 PM »

MULLINS IS A JERK JUST LIKE HALF THE CALIFORNIA CROP ,,,REALLY WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT IT WAS MULLINS HEROIN IN THAT NEEDLE FOR HIS OWN USE,,,THEY JUST BLAMED IT ON THE HORSE
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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2009, 11:17:11 PM »

Here's the lone comment to that article:

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