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« on: April 19, 2009, 03:06:28 PM »

http://www.drf.com/news/article/103095.html

If there was the slightest question of whether or not something was appropriate, that item was prohibited. No items that I brought into the NYRA detention barn on April 4 were questioned after the required examination by NYRA personneL

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/At-the-Races

Security personnel at the barn, however, contend that both the substance and syringe were concealed, in fact smuggled into the barn. Mullins has raced in New York before
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 02:10:28 AM »

Read the article thoroughly -- it does NOT say that there was "no action against detention barn security". It is unlikely that any specifics will be divulged about whether the security personnel were disciplined or not. 
 
Just another clockerbob embellishment, just as night follows day.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 10:38:00 AM »

one report states that Mullins was allowed in the detention
barn with a syringe and was observed
administering with a syringe and was allowed to
wash out said syringe and one turf
writer reported
that mullins hide the syringe and
the detention guards were unaware of syringe..
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 11:05:16 AM »

one report states that Mullins was allowed in the detention
barn with a syringe and was observed
administering with a syringe and was allowed to
wash out said syringe and one turf
writer reported
that mullins hide the syringe and
the detention guards were unaware of syringe..

Yes, that was in the "clockerbob report".

You have posted this repeatedly. Repeatedly. With no attribution.

And strangely enough, I can't find a credible source that can back this up. Go figure.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 01:04:55 PM »

Swift justice when compared to CA.Wait a While tested positive in the BC last yr and 6 months later they have not even decided on a purse redistribution yet.They have not even scheduled a hearing yet for Pletcher the trainer.



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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 03:44:46 PM »

'Security personnel at the barn, however, contend that both the substance and syringe were concealed, in fact smuggled into the barn. Mullins has raced in New York before"

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/At-the-Races
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 03:54:01 PM »

Sheikmo is "voluntarily investigating himself" after his winning horse, two horses actually, were found doped during a popular endurance trial in the Emirates. Sheikbos wife Jordans Princess Haya actively hunts down juicers through her anti-juicing association.

jeez. Like Sarah palin and Sheikmo, Mullins should "voluntarily investigate himself". Won't that solve your molehill into a mountain problem? Hasn't he already admitted he's negligent? gee whiz.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 04:05:35 PM »

'Security personnel at the barn, however, contend that both the substance and syringe were concealed, in fact smuggled into the barn."

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/blog.php/At-the-Races

The security guys said the stuff was smuggled in, eh? What a surprise!

Makes sense, if they said that...although the blog author (Paul Moran) didn't name the guards, nor attribute the quotes -- piss poor reporting there.

But whatever. Those guards want to hang on to their jobs. If I saw the stuff in the bucket but then got questioned about it later, I would have lied, too -- then it's all on the trainer, and none on me.

What about this other stuff? (that I think you made up):

one report states that Mullins was allowed in the detention
barn with a syringe and was observed
administering with a syringe and was allowed to
wash out said syringe

Do you have some other obscure blog to back this up? And if so, the part about Mullins being "observed administering with a syringe" would seem to contradict the Moran blog where the security guards pulled a "Sgt. Schultz", and knew nothing: "it was smuggled in".
 
Face it, the security guards f'd up, too. They might as well have had Barney Fife watching the detention barn, with his bullet in his pocket and his head up his ass.
 

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 04:13:26 PM »

Here's the lone comment to that article:

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Howard Leeds says:
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Another negative column by Paul Moran!!
What a shock. Retire already,you washwomen!!

Horse Voice, is that you??

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 05:06:40 PM »

Here's the lone comment to that article:

Horse Voice, is that you??

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No. I don't see the Moran article as positive or negative...just obscure and not particularly well done.

It would have had more teeth if it had direct, attributable quotes from the security guards; the way Moran wrote it, he could claim that he heard it from somebody, which would make it a "friend of a friend" story...which is what passes for fact with clockerbob, apparently.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2009, 11:12:00 AM »

It is my belief that another trainer observed Mullins administering
and beefed to the authorities....
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2009, 11:19:42 AM »

It is my belief that another trainer observed Mullins administering
and beefed to the authorities....

What is this (latest) "belief" based upon?

Is it an offshoot of your "Turn System"?

Maybe it's the "Turn-In System"!
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 09:40:13 AM »

jeez. Like Sarah palin and Sheikmo, Mullins should "voluntarily investigate himself". Won't that solve your molehill into a mountain problem? Hasn't he already admitted he's negligent? gee whiz.


I don't think I read where he admitted he was negligent.He spun every angle and none stuck and now says he just wants it over.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2009, 10:59:55 AM »

Somewhere, I read he was willing to accept a $2,500 fine and a suspension and chose not to appeal. Also, as I recall he pretty much said without equivication, he made a mistake.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2009, 11:27:32 AM »

Somewhere, I read he was willing to accept a $2,500 fine and a suspension and chose not to appeal. Also, as I recall he pretty much said without equivication, he made a mistake.

Yes he did accept the lesser penalty in lieu of an appeal.I did not see anywhere where  he admitted making a mistake.After all the B.S. he tried throwing against the wall and none of it sticking he gave up trying to act innocent.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2009, 02:12:25 PM »

Yes he did accept the lesser penalty in lieu of an appeal.I did not see anywhere where  he admitted making a mistake.After all the B.S. he tried throwing against the wall and none of it sticking he gave up trying to act innocent.

"To put an end to this unfortunate event, I take responsibility for the infraction and accept the penalty imposed,'' Mullins said. "I have dedicated my life to caring for Thoroughbred racehorses. I owe it to I Want Revenge, his owners, the racing fans, and, indeed, the entire racing industry to end this distraction now.''
-DRF April 20th.

Shouldn't this be good enough for most readers? You might find a few around who feel its not enough. Are you one of them?

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2009, 04:06:18 PM »

Mullins is OK/just doing what all modern trainers do.
The problem is Mullins was allowed to administer a oral
syringe loaded with ? over 1,000 times combined  in both
New York and Calif before being hauled in and I believe
the only reason that he was hauled in was that somebody beefed
and not BECAUSE OF DETENTION BARN security, stewards or horse safety in Calif or new york
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2009, 04:34:44 PM »

"To put an end to this unfortunate event, I take responsibility for the infraction and accept the penalty imposed,'' Mullins said. "I have dedicated my life to caring for Thoroughbred racehorses. I owe it to I Want Revenge, his owners, the racing fans, and, indeed, the entire racing industry to end this distraction now.''
-DRF April 20th.

Shouldn't this be good enough for most readers? You might find a few around who feel its not enough. Are you one of them?



Your original post said he admitted he was " NEGLIGENT " .I do not see anywhere where he admitted to being negligent.The comment you just copied says TO PUT THIS TO AN END does not sound like he is admitting being negligent and just wants it to go away.Of course he is responsible everyone knows he walked in with the stuff.Why did he walk in with the stuff ?

You as the registered owner of the car your driving that caused an accident are responible for the damages to the other vehicle.Are you negligent because lightning struck a tree that ended up hitting your car and forcing you into the other lane ?

Are you one of those people who believed MEL GIBSON or any other celebrity when they apologize after the FACT for racist or insensitive remarks ?
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2009, 04:53:18 PM »

Are you one of those people who believed MEL GIBSON or any other celebrity when they apologize after the FACT for racist or insensitive remarks ?

When should he apologize, then? Before? Not at all?

Sounds to me like, once you've made up your mind about a guy, he can't do anything right.
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2009, 05:28:10 PM »

When should he apologize, then? Before? Not at all?

Sounds to me like, once you've made up your mind about a guy, he can't do anything right.

We all make mistakes and everyione deserves a second chance.When they wait to apologize only after it blows up in the media I don't fall for the spiel.Let them make amends in private to those they offended immediately like OBAMA did with the remark about Special Olympics.
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2009, 05:52:09 PM »

We all make mistakes and everyione deserves a second chance.When they wait to apologize only after it blows up in the media I don't fall for the spiel.

You don't have to buy it, though most people will agree that, at times, it requires the weight of public opinion to see ones error clearly. Otherwise there could be no redemption. But not you, right? You'll find people who always choose to be hard assed over persons errors in judgement and public embarrassment, I suppose.
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2009, 06:06:59 PM »

You don't have to buy it, though most people will agree that, at times, it requires the weight of public opinion to see ones error clearly. Otherwise there could be no redemption. But not you, right? You'll find people who always choose to be hard assed over persons errors in judgement and public embarrassment, I suppose.


I never felt qualified to be able to speak for " MOST PEOPLE " without the data to back it up. I do not envy your ability in that area.If a person requires the weight of public opinion to see they clearly have made an error they need help IMO.
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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2009, 06:35:12 PM »


I never felt qualified to be able to speak for " MOST PEOPLE " without the data to back it up. I do not envy your ability in that area.If a person requires the weight of public opinion to see they clearly have made an error they need help IMO.

Sorry you lack that feeling. Furthermore, pleas to commonality or "common sense" don't require proof. They are pleas that speak for themselves.  We're way off the subject.
Under the weight of public opinion, Mullins sincerely apologized, accepted the fine and took full responsibility for his negligence. Good enough for most people. Prove otherwise. What more coaxing (or "help" as you call it) is required. Do you want a stiffer fine?
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2009, 06:48:29 PM »

We all make mistakes and everyione deserves a second chance.When they wait to apologize only after it blows up in the media I don't fall for the spiel.Let them make amends in private to those they offended immediately like OBAMA did with the remark about Special Olympics.

Except that the fine and penalty were already assessed -- Mullins had nothing to gain from making the apology. He could have simply walked away from it without saying anything.

Then you could take a shot at him for not showing any remorse whatsoever, I suppose. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It's pretty clear your mind was already made up to not give the guy a fair shake.
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2009, 07:44:04 PM »

Sorry you lack that feeling. Furthermore, pleas to commonality or "common sense" don't require proof. They are pleas that speak for themselves.  We're way off the subject.
Under the weight of public opinion, Mullins sincerely apologized, accepted the fine and took full responsibility for his negligence. Good enough for most people. Prove otherwise. What more coaxing (or "help" as you call it) is required. Do you want a stiffer fine?

Yes, I want stiffer fines for all infractions.
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