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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »

Isle of Wight -
Mountain Skipper -

Isle of Wight - Jimmy Larente
Mountain Skipper - Rene Poulin

Here's more, Don't remember the drivers. forgive the spelling

Sonetson -
Mirror Image -
Nicky Lou -
Jonquil Hanover -
Seedling Herbet -
Wizard Almahurst -
Doublemint -

Sonettson - Tom Foster's horse - Dokey, Fontaine, Henri
Mirror Image - Buddy & Carmine
Nicky Lou - Joe Marsh, Jr.
Jonquil Hanover - Sholty
Seedling Herbet - Haughton's horse - Ben Steall
Wizard Almahurst - Chapman?
Doublemint - Peter Haughton

How about The Saddler GB --Remmen  
               Sirota Anderson ---Stormin Normin Dauplaise.

Dokey, Patterson also drove Saddler later years.

Sirota Anderson won the inaugural Levy - up the rail from 3rd down to beat Governor Skipper.

How about...

Tremor
Easy Come Easy Go
Timely Thorpe
Serpico
Gotta Go Now
Kris Messenger
Adam Lobell
Armbro Whiz
Sample Fella

And now the crowning jewel: For a small coke (with extra ice) -
Can anyone name the regular driver of Happy H.A.?
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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2009, 03:52:38 PM »

I remember the name "apples" thomas connected with Haughton
was that the stable or owner Huh
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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2009, 03:57:48 PM »

I remember the name "apples" thomas connected with Haughton
was that the stable or owner Huh
Long time second trainer. Stayed in New York while  Bill Vaughn And Dick Vaughn trained in Florida.
Some other Haughton second trainers.
Ben Steal
Eddie Dunningan
Charlie Durham
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As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2009, 04:07:38 PM »

Yep----Al "Apples" Thomas.
Haughton also had Ernie Gaskin among others. 
Tom and Cammie Haughton as well.

Great entering PPK in the late 70's, early 80's and seeing the WRHaughton barn sign
read  "home of champions"  on the right as you came in.

The fourth-richest race ever contested, the 1981 Woodrow Wilson, went to Bill Haughton and McKinzie Almahurst.  This was the only million dollar win in the driving career of the celebrated Hall of Famer.

I was at Freehold Sept 82 ---James B Dancer and watched McKinzie win in straight heats for W.Haughton.  Off the pace in the final, big stretch kick to get up.   
Some of the big drivers like Campbell and Billy O'D were missing from the race attending S.Goudreau's funeral.   
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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2009, 05:25:50 PM »

Great job on the horses. The names bring back allot of memories. I will try and link some drivers:

Seatrain was Webster
Sample Fella -- Marsh
Tremor -- mostly Carmine
Isle of Wight was Herve for most of his adult racing
Egyptian Vanda -- Cormier
Public Affair was I think Frank Popfinger
Young Quinn ended up with Henri and he was the driver of Otaro Hanover not Herve
Kris Messenger  -- Chapman
Jefferson Aiken -- Sholty
Stud Stull -- Popfinger
Mr Fred -- Cormier
Trotwood Randy and Annrocs Dream -- Faraldo
Distant Thunder -- Patterson Jr.


I'll try for some more later.
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« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2009, 06:30:17 PM »

A little Charlie Durham story.
Charlie was in charge of the ten or so horses Houghton sent to Tropical Park to race on the 9/10 tartan track.
One morning Charlie is training Hopalong. He has been a couple trips when it starts to rain.
Charlie said to the groom "You have some rain gear you can go the last trip".
The groom said "But Charlie they will fit you".
Charlie "In that case put him away he has been enough."
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« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2009, 06:49:06 PM »

Great entering PPK in the late 70's, early 80's and seeing the WRHaughton barn sign
read  "home of champions"  on the right as you came in.

Now when you drive into PPK barn area, you see dirty laundry hanging from the Gordon Norris stable.  If you do a 180 you have the Super WalMart shopping center instead of the old training track, par 3 golf course & track kitchen.

My prediction is that by next year there will be no barn area.

Great job on the horses. The names bring back allot of memories. I will try and link some drivers:

Sample Fella -- Marsh
Isle of Wight was Herve for most of his adult racing

I don't know if Marsh ever drove Sample Fella.  Mostly Patterson & Marohn.
I'm not doubting your Herve thing on Isle Of Wight but Jimmy Larente sure flows smoothly to my memory.

No bites yet on Happy HA, huh?  That small coke is still up for grabs.  Give ya 'till noon tomorrow.
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« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2009, 07:06:42 PM »

Lets see,   Happy H.A.
He was bred by Fermer Perry so I bet Herve drove him some, but the horse raced 203 times from 1978 to 1989 for several different owners.
Maybe Dolfan was one of his many drivers?
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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2009, 07:16:54 PM »

Not Herve & definitely not Dolfan.  I live in a fantasy where I am a catch driver, getting 7 drives a night on a 1/2 mile track.  So I guess I could've driven Happy HA - in my dreams!

Some of the extra ice in that small coke is beginning to melt! Tongue
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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2009, 07:31:30 PM »

Dam I tried to cheat ,and couldn't even do that. The early year books use to list recaps of all races with the driver of the winner.They quit doing that in the late 1970's so I can't even look it up.
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« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2009, 07:39:31 PM »

Now when you drive into PPK barn area, you see dirty laundry hanging from the Gordon Norris stable.  If you do a 180 you have the Super WalMart shopping center instead of the old training track, par 3 golf course & track kitchen.

My prediction is that by next year there will be no barn area.

I don't know if Marsh ever drove Sample Fella.  Mostly Patterson & Marohn.
I'm not doubting your Herve thing on Isle Of Wight but Jimmy Larente sure flows smoothly to my memory.

No bites yet on Happy HA, huh?  That small coke is still up for grabs.  Give ya 'till noon tomorrow.
Was Larente the driver of Mr Overnight if you remember ?
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« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2009, 07:46:40 PM »

Also do anyone recall the former great NY Ranger goalie Gilles Villemure (bad spelling)
He got into driving and I think owning . Drove in NY for awhile Huh
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« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2009, 08:48:09 PM »

Yes Villemure, was an owner / Trainer /Driver after #30 retired the skates.
As a big Ranger fan growing up in NY, he was a fine backup to EDDIE G!

Villemure, I thought had the biggest eyeholes for a hockey mask. 
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« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2009, 09:03:10 PM »

 A few more

Carbon Copy
Banberry Breeze
Mr Cylinder
Track Duster
Courageous Kat
Image Of Laura
Leaders Polly
Adelweiss Rainbow
PDQ
Big Puff
Stephen O
Run Blue Run
Concierge

Sorry for the spelling or if repeated some.
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« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2009, 11:28:18 PM »

Was Larente the driver of Mr Overnight if you remember ?

Don't know that one - maybe before my time (1977)?

Banbury Breeze (who always seemed to finish right next to Seedling Herbert) was Herve
Adelweiss Rainbow - Dokey
Concierge - Marsh
Image of Laura - Chapman?

Villemure trained one decent horse that Sonny used to drive but I can't remember his name.  Had speed.

Lookin In - I am shocked  Shocked that one as scrupulous as yourself would even consider cheating!  If Dave Dunckley was alive, I'm sure he'd echo my surprise.  sneaky
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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2009, 03:03:25 AM »

I think Image of Laura was Carmine.

I loved Adelweiss Rainbow. He was a tough race horse.

As for Happy H. A., obviously the same driver did not drive him his whole career, but I think it was Buddy Gilmour early on and I know Joe Marsh Jr. also drove him to victory.

I prefer Diet Coke with lots of ice.....Thank You!!!!
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« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2009, 03:26:57 AM »

And on Villemure............He lost most, if not all his money in the game. I saw him on Long Island a couple of times a few years back.

Also, to correct myself one of the horses names was Airluck with Mckinney Lawhon.

Then I remembered:

Tarry Heels -- Dokey or Henri
Metroliner Ripper -- Insko
J J's Oro -- Harry Harvey
Dayvander -- Dokey or Coco
Styx and Scones -- LaChance
Play It Again -- Carmine
Beau Monde -- Tom Foster
Tremor -- Carmine
Lucky Royal -- Marsh
Dillys Lad -- Paul Appel
Slap Happy -- Insko
Cigar Store Injun -- Insko
Jambo Chancy -- Popfinger
Sign Here -- DeSantis
Top Cash N -- Dokey
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« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2009, 04:23:06 AM »

Great job on the horses. The names bring back allot of memories. I will try and link some drivers:

Seatrain was Webster
Sample Fella -- Marsh
Tremor -- mostly Carmine
Isle of Wight was Herve for most of his adult racing
Egyptian Vanda -- Cormier
Public Affair was I think Frank Popfinger
Young Quinn ended up with Henri and he was the driver of Otaro Hanover not Herve
Kris Messenger  -- Chapman
Jefferson Aiken -- Sholty
Stud Stull -- Popfinger
Mr Fred -- Cormier
Trotwood Randy and Annrocs Dream -- Faraldo
Distant Thunder -- Patterson Jr.


I'll try for some more later.
Your memory is better than mine on most of this stuff but, if Herve drove Isle of Wight regularly, it had to be later on.  Isle of Wight and Nansemond were the only contemporaries of Albatross who would not just get blown off the track by The Big Bird.  In all of those big races at 3 and 4, Herve drove Nansemond.  Who drove Isle of Wight in those races?  I really don't remember, but I don't think it was Larente.
Re Young Quinn, Hunter took himself off after his first 2 starts in the US and he did better in NY, then shipped out to Hollywood, where he kicked some US butt.  I am not remembering Henri driving him in NY that first year and he definitely didn't at Hol(1).  Again Henri might've been the guy later on.
Re Otaro Hanover, Herve definitely drove at 3 and 4, including his memorable stretch duel with Armbro Nesbit in the Realization
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« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2009, 04:30:34 AM »

Isle of Wight - Jimmy Larente
Mountain Skipper - Rene Poulin

Sonettson - Tom Foster's horse - Dokey, Fontaine, Henri
Mirror Image - Buddy & Carmine
Nicky Lou - Joe Marsh, Jr.
Jonquil Hanover - Sholty
Seedling Herbet - Haughton's horse - Ben Steall
Wizard Almahurst - Chapman?
Doublemint - Peter Haughton

Dokey, Patterson also drove Saddler later years.

Sirota Anderson won the inaugural Levy - up the rail from 3rd down to beat Governor Skipper.

How about...

Tremor
Easy Come Easy Go
Timely Thorpe
Serpico
Gotta Go Now
Kris Messenger
Adam Lobell
Armbro Whiz
Sample Fella

And now the crowning jewel: For a small coke (with extra ice) -
Can anyone name the regular driver of Happy H.A.?
Tough ones.
I'm pretty sure Chappie drove Serpico at 3
Could Teddy Wing also have driven Mountain Skipper?  I think MS was the "New England Horse of the Year" in the early70's.  Another classy NE shipper (from Foxboro?) who had limited success in NY was Big League Star with Bruce Magee.

Stephen O was Jacques Dupuis
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« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2009, 09:43:33 AM »

Trottinman60,
Keep in mind that Nansemond and Isle of Wight were full brothers.
Nansemond and Albatross foaled in 68 .
Isle of Wight foaled in 66.
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« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2009, 11:15:08 AM »

As for Happy H. A., obviously the same driver did not drive him his whole career, but I think it was Buddy Gilmour early on and I know Joe Marsh Jr. also drove him to victory.

I prefer Diet Coke with lots of ice.....Thank You!!!!

No Diet Coke for you!!!  Neither Buddy nor Joe was his "regular" pilot.

Isle of Wight foaled in 66.
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If Isle was foaled in '66 it is likely that I'm thinking of someone else, eliminating Larente.

I'm pretty sure Chappie drove Serpico at 3
Could Teddy Wing also have driven Mountain Skipper? 

Stephen O was Jacques Dupuis

Marsh drove Serpico when he raced in Opens & A classes in NY - I believe it was Bencal's horse.  I don't recall Wing driving Mountain Skipper - I only relate Poulin to that one.

Dupuis is training here at PPK with a decent %.

Nobody's tried:
Easy Come Easy Go
Timely Thorpe
Gotta Go Now
Armbro Whiz

And the extra ice is doing a serious meltdown on Happy HA.
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« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2009, 02:44:03 PM »

Happy HA's regular pilot was - ready...

Randy "Piker" Perry
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« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2009, 02:54:10 PM »

Randy Perry?....You could've offered a lot more then a coke.   Never would've got it.  bowing

Earlier on here, we had discussions on Intl /Challenge cup trot races, in the early 80's,
it seemed U.S. best trotters were better suited for the mile track and not really as prepared
as the Intl horses to go 1 1/4 and 1 1/2.   IDGazau and Lutin D' Isngy dominated.

You look at Joie De Vie, Sandy Bowl and Diamond Exchange --they were better on the mile.
I remember Diamond Exchange big time Big M trotter, in the challenge cup wanted no part of
the turns.  He would lose ground and then makeup a lot in the straight away.     

Which goes back to how great half mile track racing was in those days.  Showed versatility!!
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« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2009, 03:04:08 PM »

Robert Williams, driving Diamond Exchange in the Challenge Cup, approached the mile pole 3 wide, whipping & slashing & celebrating as he edged past the leaders & the field made the 5th turn.  At that point, Williams finally realized there was still a 1/2 mile to go.  So not all the US drivers could drive the 1/2 mile track either.

I believe Ideal Du Gazeau won that year.

I loved watching Classical Way race parked out every step & still winning both the International & Challenge Cups.

I thought someone would get Piker Perry, especially when Lookin In came up with a breeder, Fermer Perry (I would assume there is a relation).
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« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2009, 03:22:24 PM »

TV Yankee another one better on the big ovel then.

Yankee Predator raced well for McNeill had the lead turning for home, but the long
RR stretch-- "IDGazeau in over drive blows right past him to win going away" as Jack announced.
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