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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2009, 11:32:35 AM »

Do you remember who ended Branch Dan Prince's winning streak? 

Hint:  It was at Yonkers & the driver was none other than Daniel Wilsey.

It was Miracle Jody.
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2009, 04:21:59 AM »

Great call on the 2nd floor knishes. That was the only stand that deep fried them. All the others used that rotating oven. They were still good but not like the deep fried ones. They had a good sausage sandwich at that stand also.

The memories of that place will last a lifetime. Even watching the Ranger-Islander playoff series there because it was the only place it was televised. They showed it there because MSG owned the track at that time. The TV's were packed.

I remember not only the different denomination windows, but that you also cashed the tickets on the other side at the cashier windows. And more than that were the triple machines with the 3 rows of keys. Those guys were like maestros punching out those long gray tickets with the red and green ink. I still have some programs from 1973.

As for the horses, I could go on forever:

Pacers-----Armbro Nesbit, Sir Dalrae, To Ri Boy, Nickawampus Leroy, Rambling Willie, Tarport Hap, Govenor Skipper, Big Towner, Nero, Handle With Care, Sandra Lil, Myakka Prince, Mr Sandman, Jonquil Hanover, Napoleon Anderson, Local Time, Royal Ascot N, George Van Allen, Smog, Abercrombie, Niatross, .......

Trotters----Kash Minbar, Delmonica Hanover, Spartan Hanover, Green Speed, Flower Child, Savoir, Lolas Express, Moshannon Express, Mickey Rodney, Mystic Park, Grades Singing, Ideal Du Gazeau, .....

And of course on saturday nights ther was the Gam Wah acros the street after the races!!!!



Can you name the regular drivers for all the horses you listed?  I remember some:
Sir Dalrae - Dennis
Nick Leroy - Carmine?
Rambling Willie - Farrington
Gov Skipper - Chappie
Big Towner - Loosh
HWC - The Boss
Sandra Lil - Jimmy Cruise
Myakka - Buddy
Mr. Sandman - Carmine
Local Time - Teddy Taylor
Royal Ascot - Henri F
GVA - Carmine
Niatross - Clint
Bonus Pacers:
Albatross - Stanley
Nansemond - Herve
Silk Stockings - Burris
Knowing Bret - Insko
Le Baron Rouge - Williams
Cheyenne Tomahawk - Herve

Delmonica - Chappie?
Spartan H - Boss?
Green Speed - The Boss
Savoir - Insko
Moshannon Express - Ray Romanetti
Bonus Trotters:
Un De Mai - Jean Rene Gougeon
Fresh Yankee - Glen Garnsey
Speedy Crown - Beissinger
CB's Frank - Buddy
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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2009, 09:38:21 AM »

Nickawapus Leroy was ---George Phalen
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2009, 12:39:50 PM »

Can you name the regular drivers for all the horses you listed?  I remember some:

Nick Leroy - Phalen
Big Towner - Carmine
Myakka - Del Insko (at least for a while)

Bonus Pacers:
Le Baron Rouge - Bernard Gervais

Late in Big Towner's career, Le Baron Rouge dead-heated him at YR.

More pacers: Seedling Herbert, Banbury Breeze, Sonnetson, Olympic Torch, Pastabyrd, Dr. Rival, Racing Bretta, My Fly N Bret, KOS.

You did better on the trotters - Savoir was Chapman, at least in the last years of his long career.  Insko had James B, as previously mentioned.

Here are a few more: Petite Evander, Elmsford, Bridger, Mickey Rodney, Lolas Express.

Try the drivers on those new/old names.
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« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2009, 04:15:59 PM »

I remember Bridgir representing canada, 2 yrs in a row going over the rail with Dave Greene.
Don't forget Bobbo --N.Jones
Mystic Park (Mack's sire) -F.O'Mara at 3  (1982) beating Bobbo on GM levy final night  (won by SBNight  157.0)   in open hcp trot 5/29 paying $10.40.
 
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« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2009, 07:13:10 PM »

A few more

LLoyd R Adios, Kopas Lobell, Mr AAA, Lite And Lively, Verdi Vidi Vici, Penman

Drivers

Duncan Mctavish, Frank Tagariello, Real Cormier, Dave Dunckley, Gerry Sarama, Ron Carbone, Paul Appel, Bob Vitrano, Gerry Procino
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« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2009, 07:50:45 PM »

I remember Bridgir representing canada, 2 yrs in a row going over the rail with Dave Greene.

Bridger was Ron Waples at least one of those years.

A few more

LLoyd R Adios, Jimmy Marohn
Kopas Lobell, ??
Mr AAA, Carmine
Lite And Lively, Sonny Patterson
Verdi Vidi Vici, It was Veni Vidi Vici
Penman, Del Insko

And closing on the far outside is Trader Hanover & Sandy Levy!

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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2009, 08:04:26 PM »

You're memory is better than mine  geezer Grin
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« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2009, 08:24:44 PM »

Procino (ammo stable) is now a thoroughbred trainer.
Had some decent horses in his day.
Sea The USA won Sheppard at 2  and Cane elim.  Then Gerry sat in
the final, as Jake and Elwood won cane final.
Nero's Bret.

Dave Dunckley ---Count Kef

Then there was Pat Iovine (Black and Orange)---Nevele Pride, Main Morris and Everglade Racer....

Hilarion --Insko at RR equaling track record 156.3  on amer trot champ night and paying $40.00
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« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2009, 08:38:22 PM »

Dolp writes - Bridger was Ron Waples at least one of those years.

Your good.  We are both right sort of.  I checked the tapes.

1983 Intl---Bridgir broke Greene.
1984 Intl-- Bridgir fell over the rail  Greene
1985 Intl-- Bridgir fell over the rail at 8/5 Ron Waples...

1984---
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HQ3nSsXD38&feature=related
           
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« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2009, 09:23:23 PM »

watched the RR tape ,,,,,,,,,wow I sure do miss that place, Crown Wood a name from the past.good memories, thanks beer
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« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2009, 09:45:07 PM »

Crown Wood driven by Joe Marsh or Sonny Patterson.  Pacer turned trotter - didn't he once hold the record for pacer/trotter fastest combined mark?

See The USA was once a track record holder driven by Ted Wing.  An aqcuaintance of mine owns t-breds at Calder with Procino.  They're only interested in betting.

Pat Iovine - wow!  It would have taken me a long time to think of him.  Count Kef was a good one to.  Dunckley died, right?  I know Sandy Levy died.

How about Frank Popfinger from the rail?  A Sports Eye thing for sure.

Hilarion - I remember him with Lachance.  Didn't he also win M Pace with Campbell??
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« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2009, 10:37:38 PM »

  Dunckley died, right? 

Hilarion - I remember him with Lachance.  Didn't he also win M Pace with Campbell??

Dunckley was killed in a racing accident. He trained some horses for a friend and occasional partner of mine.

Campbell did win the Meadowlands Pace with Hilarion.
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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2009, 01:56:25 AM »

Nice job on the drivers, except Leroy who was correctly listed as being driven by George Phalen who was a favorite of mine. He drove a couple of cheaper horse too, Buckaroo Hanover and Sammy Pace.

Armbro Nesbit and Flower Child were both Joe O'Brien. Tarport Hap was Del Miller then others later. Savoir was originally Jimmy Arthur, then others later. Light N Lively was not sonny's horse. He drove occasionally for his Dad, the Georgia Peach ...Patterson Sr. Dad did the majority of the driving and never taxed that horse once in a race. Class racing at its best. He was happy just hitting the board every week. Winning was taboo because then the horse moved up in class.

Lolas Express was Teddy Taylor. Petite Evander was Ed Dunnigan, who still drives upstate NY on the Sire Stake circuit. I talked with him and he is a very nice man. Elmsford was Henri. I don't remember Bridger. Mickey Rodney was originally Eddie Lohmeyer's horse but he really came around after Norman Dauplaise took him over. Norman passed away a couple of years ago from Cancer but I spoke often with him and he was very proud of how well he did with Mickey. Sandy Levy did die of a heart attack many years ago. And as stated, Dunckley like, Shelley Goudreau and Billy Haughton all died from head injuries from accidents.

I thought of a couple of other claimers..........

Tombolinas Pride -- Carmine
Mr Fred -- Real Cormier
Super Beetle  -- Lucien and others
Sugar Valley Abbe -- Insko
Rostrevor -- Jim Tallman who passed away in a plane crash I believe
Czarinas Star -- Henri
True Sailor -- Frank Darish
Airman  -- McKinney Lawhorn
Sunbest Hanover -- Carmine

A few other good ones too....

Tony The Butler -- Lohmeyer
Pammy Lobell -- Haughton or Steal
Ricci Reenie Time -- Harold Dancer Jr.
The Black Gamecock -- I think the driver's name was Marks but am not positive
Graduation Day -- Sholty
George Van Allen -- Carmine
Taurus Romeo -- Carmine
Happy Motoring -- Bill Popfinger
Cold Comfort -- Haughton mostly Peter I think
Kash Minbar -- originally Schroeder then Jimmy Cruise Sr.
Jade Prince -- Jack Kopas


I could talk about these horses and drivers all day. Keep them coming.
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« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2009, 02:45:37 AM »

If you haven't seen already their is a memorial to Roosevelt Raceway by Jeffrey Rosen you can get to it by this site

wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_raceway_

toward bottom of page under references, the middle one by Jeffrey Rosen
And if you go to bottom of page, they even show the old teller tickets with the different colors.

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« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2009, 11:26:09 AM »

Cold Comfort -- Haughton mostly Peter I think

Cold Comfort won the Int'l one year.  Just moments after the race, Peter, leaning back to accept a handshake in congratulations, fell out backwards.  No injuries, they were slowed to a crawl by the time it happened but very funny.  Year was probably '77 or '78.

When Kash Minbar was just right, nobody could beat him at RR.
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« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2009, 11:57:45 AM »

IF NEW YORK RACING IS SO GREAT, AND IT AINT. WHY DOES IT NEED WELFARE MONEY IN ORDER TO SURVIVE? THE ONLY THING KEEPING NEW YORK HORSEMEN OFF THE WELFARE ROLLS IS THE BAILOUT FROM SLOT PLAYERS. NO INTEREST FROM FANS AT ALL.
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« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2009, 12:26:19 PM »

A little Dave Dunckley story.
1975 Dunckley comes to the mid west to buy a colt of mine. A colt I had bought as a yearling for $1,000 . I start giving him a story of how I am just a farm kid.and he is the city slicker. He says " Wait here Mr. You gave $1,000 for his colt and I am about to give you $35,000 for him. Now you tell me who is taking advantage of who?

We trained the colt a couple trips and I gave him a bath and turned him loose in a stall. I said to Dave "Lets go get some lunch" Dave said "Who is going to put the colt away?" I rattled the stall door looked at Dave and said "I just did".

He bought the colt and I thought "Damn this business is easy. Much better then milking cows and slopping hogs."
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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2009, 02:23:01 PM »

IF NEW YORK RACING IS SO GREAT, AND IT AINT. WHY DOES IT NEED WELFARE MONEY IN ORDER TO SURVIVE? THE ONLY THING KEEPING NEW YORK HORSEMEN OFF THE WELFARE ROLLS IS THE BAILOUT FROM SLOT PLAYERS. NO INTEREST FROM FANS AT ALL.

NY Racing WAS so great.  We're not saying it IS.

Lookin' In - loved your story.  Who was the colt?  Did he ever accomplish anything?
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« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2009, 08:04:15 PM »

I will throw a few more oldies, only 1 of the drivers on Well Knit, Was my bigest score at the time $38.00.

Classic Lady

Justa plain Harriet

Well Knit
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« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2009, 02:21:23 AM »

I remember Harriet.

I then also remembered Uncle Frank. He used to open the favorite every week on the first flash from OTB. I guess allot of people had Uncle Franks.

I also remember them locking the phones at 6:30 every night. I guess it wouldn't matter anymore since cell phones came around.

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« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2009, 04:24:41 AM »

I remember Harriet.

I then also remembered Uncle Frank. He used to open the favorite every week on the first flash from OTB. I guess allot of people had Uncle Franks.

I also remember them locking the phones at 6:30 every night. I guess it wouldn't matter anymore since cell phones came around.


You guys are good.  Nice job Dolfan, correcting me on Nick Leroy.  Gervais may have driven LBR, but Lew Williams mostly drove during his great 3 yo campaign.  Didn't Lucien drive Big Towner to an upset of Governor Skipper in a big race at YR (Cane?)?Also, Buddy drove Myakka when he made his ascension to the FFA's in '74?
When is the last time any of you went to a track and had to use your program cover to save your seat??
More horses and my best guess of drivers:
Pop Time - Tagariello
Ragtime J - Sholty
April Skipper - Williams
Lead Free - Loosh
Miracle Michael - Dunckley (wasn't this the horse he broke into NY with?)
Seatrain - Carmine?
Public Affair
Title Song - Chappie
Isle of Wight -
Rin Tim Tim - Buddy
Mr. Sandman - Carmine
Magnus Apollo -
Golden Shadrack - Boss
Marshmellow - Boss
El Patron - Sholty
Bye Bye T - Clint
Jefferson Aiken
Key Ones Uno - Maurice McDonald
Silent Majority
Songcan
Strike Out - Boss?
Speak Out
Young Quinn - Hunter
Super Bowl - Stanley
Coalmont Delores - Phalen
Otaro Hanover - Herve
Keystone Smartie - Boss
Keystone Pat - Hayes
Moon Magic - Carmine
Atashy - Insko
Apollo Fifteen - Insko (a horse he'll never forget)
Senor Duane - Buddy
Mountain Skipper
Blue Fireball - Insko
Steve Lobell

My brain is tired.  Keep 'em coming!
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« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2009, 08:14:03 AM »

Here's more, Don't remember the drivers. forgive the spelling

Renee's Fella
Petite Moi
Sonetson
Momentum
Mirror Image
Keystone Ore
Peter Parker
Bam Bam.....Jack Lee had fun with this one
Windshield Wiper
Nicky Lou
Jonquil Hanover
Seedling Herbet
Wizard Almahurst
Candid Camera
Egyptian Vanda
Doublemint
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« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2009, 08:41:38 AM »

Also I came across two baseball like gum cards from Roosevelt Raceway 1977.
John Chapman and Merrit Dokey, there was a set of 8 and were giving out in winter meet 1977, I wonder if their they have any value ?
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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2009, 08:47:20 AM »

Mirror Image --W.Gilmour....
Keystone Ore - Dancer

You mentioned Steve Lobell (W.Haughton)  4 heats to win the Hambo.  
They changed the rule after that to only 3 possible heats.  After Steve went into shock
and almost died.

My first harness bet and win was Razel Time---I think Jim Tillman was his driver, not sure.

How about The Saddler GB --Remmen  
               Sirota Anderson ---Stormin Normin Dauplaise.
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