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« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2009, 12:30:24 PM »

Let it play out, Dave -- maybe I can eventually make Moon understand that some people can afford to make a bad bet with a dollar or two, others can afford to make a bad bet for a grand, and yet for others, if it cost a nickel to sh*t, they'd have to puke.
 
He's letting the number interfere with the concept, that's all. He's a pretty smart guy -- he'll figure it out. I think.

The number DOES interfere with the concept, that's what you don't get. If somebody says they are betting $1000 on a pure luck bet, they MIGHT have a gambling problem.

Why don't you just use 1 cent as your example? Or are you so rich that $1000 is like $2 to everyone else? I didn't realize you had the Michael Jordan money, my bad.

On the other hand, you sure are being defensive about this, even after I reiterated that I thought it MIGHT be a problem.
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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2009, 01:12:55 PM »

The number DOES interfere with the concept, that's what you don't get. If somebody says they are betting $1000 on a pure luck bet, they MIGHT have a gambling problem.

Sorry, Moon -- you're the one that doesn't get it. The number DOES NOT interfere with the concept -- if you are betting *beyond your means*, you might have a gambling problem. The number ABSOLUTELY does not matter -- if you can't afford to bet $1, then it's beyond your means. That's the "concept", end of story.

You're stuck on $1000 being alot of money. Perhaps it is, to you -- I don't know. It's not much to me.

On the other hand, you sure are being defensive about this, even after I reiterated that I thought it MIGHT be a problem.

I knew the "I'm being defensive" comment was coming, sooner or later. :::sigh:::
 
I'm not being defensive, really. I don't care what anybody thinks of my gambling habits, my bet sizes, whether I "might" have a gambling problem, or not. It's just that you stuck your foot in your mouth when you passed judgement on me about my betting -- and using the word "might" doesn't exonerate you.

You have no clue whatsoever as to my wealth, my current financial condition, nor my tolerance for gambling losses -- and I was trying to give you every chance possible to extract your foot from your mouth, graciously; it's clear to me now that it won't happen. So be it -- it's your foot and your mouth. Enjoy.
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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2009, 02:26:10 PM »

Like I said, I didn't realize you had Michael Jordan money. And no matter how many times I say things like "might" having a gambling problem, you keep saying I don't get it about this crazy bet. You are right, I don't know your situation, that's why I said you MIGHT have a gambling problem if you make this kind of bet.
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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2009, 03:31:42 PM »

You're stuck on $1000 being alot of money. Perhaps it is, to you -- I don't know. It's not much to me.

If you bet that much on bad bets, does that mean when you find a true overlay at the track you're betting $20,000 on the nose?
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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2009, 03:32:15 PM »

Like I said, I didn't realize you had Michael Jordan money. And no matter how many times I say things like "might" having a gambling problem, you keep saying I don't get it about this crazy bet. You are right, I don't know your situation, that's why I said you MIGHT have a gambling problem if you make this kind of bet.

The first problem is that it's the dollar amount of the bet that is prompting you to even make a comment like I "might have a gambling problem". Had I said that I bought a $10 square, you probably wouldn't have made any sort of comment at all...but squares are EVERY bit the bad bet they seem: the odds of winning are terrible, whether you bet $1 or $1000. You know this -- but I think either you're being stubborn and can't / won't admit it.

Regarding you not realizing that I have Michael Jordan-type money: would it be OK for MJ to bet $1000 on a square in a football pool? How do you know it's OK? How do you know what his financial condition is at the moment? Maybe he's broke, and shouldn't be betting $10, let alone $1000. 

What makes you the arbiter of what is someone else's "allowable" bet size? Is there a formula or a chart somewhere that I don't know about?

Or is this *you* projecting your sense of bet sizes and tolerances on everybody else?

Is it starting to sink in yet, Moon? Do I have to spell it out for you?

It seems I must: you are WAY out of line suggesting to anybody else that they might have a gambling problem -- especially when you have no other information to go on other than the structure and size of the bet.
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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2009, 03:35:12 PM »

If you bet that much on bad bets, does that mean when you find a true overlay at the track you're betting $20,000 on the nose?

No way!

It's $50,000 for prime bets.

Now...would anyone else like to pass judgement on my betting?
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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2009, 03:56:41 PM »

No way!

It's $50,000 for prime bets.

Now...would anyone else like to pass judgement on my betting?

I wasn't passing judgment. I was just curious.

I did, however, think of something. You don't bet this amount on equally poor bets throughout the regular season, do you? I would assume that if you bet on regular season football it's something more reasoned and with better odds (some kind of edge anyway), not a squares-type bet. If this is the case, then it's sorta like having fun on the big day. If I bet $X on an average day at AP or Tam, I will also bet $X worth of (probably) poor bets on Derby Day, just because it's the Derby. Rather than $X * 0.05 or 0.1, I bet the full amount just because the Derby happens only once a year.
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« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2009, 03:59:41 PM »

Speaking of bets, Pioneerofthenile is running on Saturday, and depending on the pace scenario and odds I'm going to be betting against him. He had a perfect setup in that last race (Baffert even had another horse in there to force a strong pace) and won't be as impressive without such a setup.

I'll have to see the pace scenario in Stardom Bound's race, but I always like a chance to beat an odds-on Frankel horse (although he's good, he can also screw up the chances of a good horse who has recently entered his barn--see previous Breeder's Cups for examples).
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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2009, 04:06:30 PM »

No way!

It's $50,000 for prime bets.

Now...would anyone else like to pass judgement on my betting?

Piker. Mine are $1,000,000.

I just bet them offshore so they won't affect the pools. Nice rebate, too.
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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2009, 04:13:12 PM »

The first problem is that it's the dollar amount of the bet that is prompting you to even make a comment like I "might have a gambling problem". Had I said that I bought a $10 square, you probably wouldn't have made any sort of comment at all...but squares are EVERY bit the bad bet they seem: the odds of winning are terrible, whether you bet $1 or $1000. You know this -- but I think either you're being stubborn and can't / won't admit it.

Regarding you not realizing that I have Michael Jordan-type money: would it be OK for MJ to bet $1000 on a square in a football pool? How do you know it's OK? How do you know what his financial condition is at the moment? Maybe he's broke, and shouldn't be betting $10, let alone $1000. 

What makes you the arbiter of what is someone else's "allowable" bet size? Is there a formula or a chart somewhere that I don't know about?

Or is this *you* projecting your sense of bet sizes and tolerances on everybody else?

Is it starting to sink in yet, Moon? Do I have to spell it out for you?

It seems I must: you are WAY out of line suggesting to anybody else that they might have a gambling problem -- especially when you have no other information to go on other than the structure and size of the bet.

I don't think they the squares are as bad a bet as many others like the lottery where you are not getting the real payout  based on odds of your numbers hitting.

If there is no one taking out a % for running the pool then you are getting a real payout of 100-1 unlike at the track where the people who are betting determine the odds to make something 100-1 when it really should be more
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« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2009, 04:19:41 PM »

come on guys,FREE breakfast at Dennys tommorrow, tuesday, from 6am to 2pm. enjoy
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« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2009, 04:36:41 PM »

The first problem is that it's the dollar amount of the bet that is prompting you to even make a comment like I "might have a gambling problem". Had I said that I bought a $10 square, you probably wouldn't have made any sort of comment at all...but squares are EVERY bit the bad bet they seem: the odds of winning are terrible, whether you bet $1 or $1000. You know this -- but I think either you're being stubborn and can't / won't admit it.

Regarding you not realizing that I have Michael Jordan-type money: would it be OK for MJ to bet $1000 on a square in a football pool? How do you know it's OK? How do you know what his financial condition is at the moment? Maybe he's broke, and shouldn't be betting $10, let alone $1000. 

What makes you the arbiter of what is someone else's "allowable" bet size? Is there a formula or a chart somewhere that I don't know about?

Or is this *you* projecting your sense of bet sizes and tolerances on everybody else?

Is it starting to sink in yet, Moon? Do I have to spell it out for you?

It seems I must: you are WAY out of line suggesting to anybody else that they might have a gambling problem -- especially when you have no other information to go on other than the structure and size of the bet.

I'm not the arbiter. You can do whatever  you want, but you MIGHT have a gambling problem. When Jordan lost $100k over 3 days gambling at a casino, everybody said he had a gambling problem. I am assuming he made more that 100 bets over 3 days.

Your whole judgment of MY comments makes me think I struck a sensitive point.
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« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2009, 04:37:40 PM »

come on guys,FREE breakfast at Dennys tommorrow, tuesday, from 6am to 2pm. enjoy

Can you imagine the poor sap who eats at Denny's every morning and tomorrow arrives there to find a line around the block??
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« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2009, 04:45:14 PM »

Your whole judgment of MY comments makes me think I struck a sensitive point.

That's usually how comments that are out of line are perceived and received, Mr. MOTO.

What's your point? That you can be out of line, and then grossly insensitive about it, too?
   
You got skills, Moon -- I'll give you that.
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« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2009, 04:47:34 PM »

come on guys,FREE breakfast at Dennys tommorrow, tuesday, from 6am to 2pm. enjoy

There are an excessive number of retiree's that I think might actually live at our local Denny's, endlessly nursing a $1.50 cup of coffee. I couldn't get a table for breakfast tomorrow if I got in line NOW.
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« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2009, 04:56:23 PM »

There are an excessive number of retiree's that I think might actually live at our local Denny's, endlessly nursing a $1.50 cup of coffee. I couldn't get a table for breakfast tomorrow if I got in line NOW.

Jean-Paul Sartre engendered the wrath of baristas in Paris cafes because he was such a cheap ass he'd buy one cup of coffee and then sit there for 8 hours reading and writing.
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« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2009, 07:03:45 PM »

Jean-Paul Sartre engendered the wrath of baristas in Paris cafes because he was such a cheap ass he'd buy one cup of coffee and then sit there for 8 hours reading and writing.

Too much coffee made him nauseous.
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« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2009, 07:21:20 PM »

Too much coffee made him nauseous.

Heh.
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« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2009, 07:31:58 PM »

J. Rowling did the same thing in a little coffee shop in her hometown while she was writing Harry Potter.

/I'm not as rich as Horse Voice because I don't drink coffee, I guess.

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« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2009, 07:59:20 PM »

/I'm not as rich as Horse Voice because I don't drink coffee, I guess.

Well, if you ever come into some money one day, look for the occasional sale on Eight O'Clock coffee (whole bean) at Jewel -- usually $8.99 for a little over 2 lb. bag.
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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2009, 09:30:36 PM »

Well, if you ever come into some money one day, look for the occasional sale on Eight O'Clock coffee (whole bean) at Jewel -- usually $8.99 for a little over 2 lb. bag.

Really? I was thoroughly underwhelmed by that stuff when I tried it.
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