And you, Dolfan, should be utterly ashamed to bring Dershowitz material to the forum and call him in any way, shape, or form some sort of dispassionate objective authority on this subject.
my logic is that they provided no proof of actual anti-Semitism
And you, counselor, have not provided that.
In the U.S. one ethnic group can just toss another off its land by force and start building itself new homes? Oh wait ... I guess we did that with the Indians. But I mean, today?
This is such a bogus argument it defies belief. You're implying the world should feel some guilt because there was no Israel prior to WWII ? Nope, sorry, rejected. The world owes no one a living, as we've often been reminded.
Now, hopefully, you don't need to be reminded that you're playing the same old worn out guilt card the Palestinians had nothing to do with, and that less than 70 years ago the country we now call Israel was part of a somewhat dubious British protectorate called Trans-Jordan (?) forced on the region by WWI, and was already inhabited by people who been there thousands of years. People who are now somewhat understandably pissed off about the world feeling guilty and establishing a homeland for Hitler's victims in Palestine at the expense of the current residents, that eventually turned into terrorism, and finally a war of conquest to establish the state of Israel, in the process kicking those long time inhabitants off their ancestral lands and totally disenfranchising them - pissed off just as you and I would be had it happened to us.
How then did the USA managed to grow and prosper those 170 years without an Israel?
But you know, that opinion of yours about the importance of the state of Israel (as well as the claims of Palestinians) is exactly the American debate that should be able to be held in public without all dissenters being blasted as anti-Semitic.
This is where you get really ignorant.
1 - Why would I not bring up The Dersh? He's a lefty who supported Carter until he saw the evidence for himself. The perfect witness to me.
2 - One "ethnic" group building on the other's territory only started from the attack by Jordan on Israel in 1967, not to mention the Egyptians & Lebanese. Israel took over strategic areas to protect itself from more wars. Int'l law permits that. Israel took no areas except from those attacks.
3 - It's no secret that many Arab states would love to see Israel destroyed. They've talk about it over & over again. Need "evidence"? Just read the newspaper.
4 - I said since Israel's laws very much mirror America's, you cannot approve of the USA & disapprove Israel & not be anti-semitic. I stand by that because it is logic. I would say the same thing about any other nation.
5 - Maybe you are an anti-semite. I don't know. You certainly support this president & Carter. Clinton & Bush both tried to get the 2 sides to agree. Clinton aides have said repeatedly that Israel was willing to "give away the house" but Arafat turned them down.
6 - Anyone reasonable knows for a fact that Hamas, the Palestinian-elected leaders are terrorists. Israel is looking to live in peace. They are surrounded by enemies. We cannot fathom the threat (of existence) that Israel faces.
7 - Your Holocaust reference: the only thing I can say is F**K you, as this has nothing to do with guilt. This has to do with a place to turn to when you are being systematically murdered because of your beliefs. We just can't imagine someone from the Government coming in to our homes, taking our property, our businesses, our personal things & finally our lives. This is what happened. It is not a game, not a guilt trip you total moron!
I am finished arguing hopelessly with you.
So go take your POS Obama & your POS Carter and join the other members who are just as worthless as you. I now finally remember why I put your ass on "ignore" - I don't need your aggravation. You live in your own little world, likely by yourself with no family, you probably get your government checks to pay for your one source of entertainment - the internet. You probably fantasize about the circle jerk that you keep referencing. In any case, you are truly pathetic & you have my sympathy.We will never forget 9/11 & we will never forget The Holocaust. We owe that to every soul that cries out to be remembered & to all of those who were witnesses. We Will Remember!
Buffaloboy, you can take over from here.