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« on: December 15, 2008, 08:40:39 PM »

Just got a text that our dear Gov signed the 3% Bill today.  I got it from the IHHA, so maybe we might have some relief coming someday. 
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 09:24:45 PM »

Just got a text that our dear Gov signed the 3% Bill today.  I got it from the IHHA, so maybe we might have some relief coming someday. 
Not to sound negative but what % will blago be looking for???  thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 09:31:38 PM »

I just hope it doesn't get taken down due to who signed it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 11:24:56 PM »

Guess he got the suitcase full of money after all.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2008, 11:35:13 PM »

he is still the Gov. so it has to be law
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2008, 11:53:01 PM »

he is still the Gov. so it has to be law
More than likely unlawful if signed by this CROOK.... thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
Any bill can be vetoed by 2/3 of the House...
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 12:13:05 AM »

More than likely unlawful if signed by this CROOK.... thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
Any bill can be vetoed by 2/3 of the House...
But they passed it originally. so I have my  crossedfingers that it is good.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 05:56:00 AM »

with all the real problems this state has you would think they could find better uses for the casino money than supporting a dying industry such as harness racing. Schools, healthcare, and job training for real citizens would be a much better use of the funds.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2008, 06:16:37 AM »

Schools,

Well that was what the lottery was for, but who knows where all the money goes from the lottery.  That was the big sell when they wanted the lottery to go through.  Look how much that helped, someone has to know.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2008, 06:46:57 AM »

with all the real problems this state has you would think they could find better uses for the casino money than supporting a dying industry such as harness racing. Schools, healthcare, and job training for real citizens would be a much better use of the funds.
You don't think that having 40,000 Illinois jobs at risk is a "real problem"? You don't think those of us in racing are "real citizens"?

Don't forget that this "dying industry" is in the shape it is due in large part to the casinos, and the 3% comes from them in addition to the taxes they pay the state. No money is coming out of state coffers that could be used for something else.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2008, 07:34:57 AM »

Schools,

Well that was what the lottery was for, but who knows where all the money goes from the lottery.  That was the big sell when they wanted the lottery to go through.  Look how much that helped, someone has to know.

where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate.

You don't think that having 40,000 Illinois jobs at risk is a "real problem"? You don't think those of us in racing are "real citizens"?

Don't forget that this "dying industry" is in the shape it is due in large part to the casinos, and the 3% comes from them in addition to the taxes they pay the state. No money is coming out of state coffers that could be used for something else.

You are blaming the casinos for harness racing problems? The fact they they give patrons another option to gamble is a problem. Last I checked, racing was here for before casinos and if racing would have done a better job of treating its customers they would have had no need to go to a casino. Sears should not have to support Target and thats what you are asking the casinos to do. Racing is its own enemy.Casinos should be replacing harness racing not supporting it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2008, 08:46:39 AM »

Sears should not have to support Target and thats what you are asking the casinos to do.

That's not really a good analogy. Sears and Target are both allowed to sell the same products.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2008, 10:42:02 AM »

Gambling is gambling and why should one have to support the other? The tracks AND the horsemen have worked together to dig a grave for harness racing in Illinois. The tracks have treated the gamblers HORRIBLY for as long as I can remember. Gouging them with admission fees, parking fees,exorbitant charges for programs, ridiculous and outrageous concession prices, Not to mention the WORST hit of all-the take-out and the EXTRA cuts from the pools.Let's see, the casino doesn't charge parking or admission, concessions are mostly free while you are gambling, AND they DON'T have extra charges when you win.Well, you won $400 but with our take-out, you only get $370. NOT AT THE CASINO.The gambler is treated like garbage by the tracks. And have been for some time. The horsemen have contributed to this decline by electing people to their Assn. who are easily bought by the tracks. They are like sheep being herded around by management.I know it's difficult but when things are wrong, the only recourse is to not enter. Certain stables will still enter, so let them race against themselves. They usually win all of the races anyway, so let them have 4 or 5 horse races. See how much the handle is then.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2008, 01:25:51 PM »

Gambling is gambling

No, it isn't. Different types are more lucrative than others. Bingo isn't as popular as slots, and doesn't make as much money, for instance.

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and why should one have to support the other?

I'm sure the tracks and horsemen would be willing to get their own slots and (try to) compete with the casinos heads up so they wouldn't have to take a subsidy. But they can't, because the State of Illinois has granted a monopoly on slots and table games and so on to 10 casinos in all of Illinois, and the existing casinos protect that very jealously. The 3% deal seems to be the legislature's idea of a compromise on the question.

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The tracks AND the horsemen have worked together to dig a grave for harness racing in Illinois. The tracks have treated the gamblers HORRIBLY

Yeah, yeah, it's bad and has been bad, I agree. Apparently, however, our lawmakers don't see it your way.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2008, 01:30:47 PM »


where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate


Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2008, 01:43:05 PM »

Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?

When the schools got the lottery money, the lawmakers just funded them less from the general fund.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2008, 02:04:28 PM »

          Lets not compare casino gambling to playing horses !!

       One form of gambling requires hardly any challenge and for most patrons just a fast way to go broke !!   The other racing , presents a challenge to the mind and skills of handicapping a race where you can get odds in your favor , while the casino odds are never in your favor in any games !!  Casino's were built for suckers to empty out their cash and have prospered for that reason only . There are plenty of suckers at the races , but thats the suckers fault for not learning the game there playing and hoping for a lot of luck . You can beat the horses !!  You can't beat the casino's unless you get lucky one night and never return !!!!  The only edge a casino player ever had was to count cards playing blackjack and they stopped that quickly , like you were cheating !!  why would it be cheating ?  Oh yeah , those that could count cards to get an edge had a brain and they only want braindead patrons that will lose their cash . I'll stick to horses and even if I lose I know the odds can be in my favor !!  There's no slot machine programmed to win ONLY !!  

        The tracks today give free parking and programs to a lot of customers , its a step in the right direction .

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2008, 03:00:55 PM »

where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate


Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?

Where Your Lottery Dollar Goes
.57¢ - Prizes Awarded to Winners $1.15 billion in FY07

.33¢ - Transfers to Common School Fund (state aid to schools) $622 Million in FY07

.07¢ - Retailer and Vendor Commissions and Bonuses $146 Million in FY07

.03¢ - Expenses, Including Salaries, Advertising, and Telecommunications $58.7 Million in FY07


622 million is a drop in the bucket to the 7.5 billion Illinois needs to fund elemetary and secondary education

http://www.iasb.com/pdf/lottery.pdf

FY 2007
$12.9 billion — local property taxes
$7.5 billion — state funds
$2.2 billion — federal funds
*$622 million in lottery proceeds represented
8.5 percent of the state’s share
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2008, 03:38:36 PM »

Where Your Lottery Dollar Goes
.57¢ - Prizes Awarded to Winners $1.15 billion in FY07

.33¢ - Transfers to Common School Fund (state aid to schools) $622 Million in FY07

.07¢ - Retailer and Vendor Commissions and Bonuses $146 Million in FY07

.03¢ - Expenses, Including Salaries, Advertising, and Telecommunications $58.7 Million in FY07


622 million is a drop in the bucket to the 7.5 billion Illinois needs to fund elemetary and secondary education

http://www.iasb.com/pdf/lottery.pdf

FY 2007
$12.9 billion — local property taxes
$7.5 billion — state funds
$2.2 billion — federal funds
*$622 million in lottery proceeds represented
8.5 percent of the state’s share
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Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2008, 03:55:35 PM »

Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.

eljay,

  Kind of makes you wonder what he is doing in a site thats dedicated to harness racing??
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2008, 03:57:22 PM »

Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.
so sorry that facts have to get in the way of your moneygrab.
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 04:19:30 PM »

where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate


Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?


Donna, the original process for the lottery profits to schools is correct. HOWEVER, back when , when Big Jim Thompson was gov, he stated that the lottery profits would be a direct supplement to the education fund.....UNTIL the lottery profits OVERCAME the education budget and that profit BECAME the education fund. That's where and what has happened to that money.

  Just trying to help.... trophy

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2008, 07:11:29 PM »

so sorry that facts have to get in the way of your moneygrab.
Let's talk about the 40,000 jobs.  Or are they not "real" enough for you?
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2008, 07:19:27 PM »

Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.

eljay,

  Kind of makes you wonder what he is doing in a site thats dedicated to harness racing??
Maybe there are no "real" sites for slot pullers! maroon
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2008, 07:33:23 PM »

Maybe there are no "real" sites for slot pullers!

Just don't get why he would even bother being here.
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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2008, 08:16:27 PM »

Maybe there are no "real" sites for slot pullers!

Just don't get why he would even bother being here.

He's more than likely 15 years old and knows more than you or I will ever know about anything and everything imaginable.
OR he's a troll from the TB side of this forum who can't tell you the difference between a jog cart and a race bike. There are several of those here as well.
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2008, 08:52:47 PM »

He's more than likely 15 years old and knows more than you or I will ever know about anything and everything imaginable.
OR he's a troll from the TB side of this forum who can't tell you the difference between a jog cart and a race bike. There are several of those here as well.

JOG CART WAS USED FOR FRANK O'MARA RIGHT ?


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« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2008, 10:26:18 PM »

Let's talk about the 40,000 jobs.  Or are they not "real" enough for you?
40,000? you must be including the grocery store clerk who puts the baking soda on store shelves. As for importance, which in the overall scheme of things is more important to society, higher horse purses or higher education? I am so glad that this is the way you treat your customers, You know, one of the people who bet on what you  do for a living. I see where you place them in your overall list.
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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2008, 12:26:39 AM »

40,000? you must be including the grocery store clerk who puts the baking soda on store shelves. As for importance, which in the overall scheme of things is more important to society, higher horse purses or higher education? I am so glad that this is the way you treat your customers, You know, one of the people who bet on what you  do for a living. I see where you place them in your overall list.
As you put down Horse Racing on a Horse Racing Forum why DON'T YOU READ the BILL! It was Created to help the Horse Racing Industry in Illinois NOT for another purpose! If the lawmakers in Springfield WANT more money to go to Education than complain to them about it!
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2008, 05:18:05 AM »

I am so glad to see in horsemens eyes and ways of thinking, its a ok for government to steal money from a successful business to prop up another. I seriously doubt the casinos volunteered to give their profits to the horse race industry, nor do I see them wanting to build a race track, I do see horse racing trying to horn in on the casinos form of gambling in an effort to replace the customers gambling dollars that tracks and horse racers have chased away. And one does wonder, with Illinois govt. now famous for its pay to play status, how much were legislators greased by race track owners to concoct such an arrangement to steal the casinos profits. This whole redistribution of wealth should be stopped pending an investigation to see who greased who's pockets. The whole bill is unconstitutional and lets hope that the US Supreme Court sees it that way when they hear the case. So sorry that you take it in such a way that you have to attack me personally, but I guess thats the way horse people have treated their customers since day one, your us vs. them mentality is what has gotten you in your mess in the first place. Have a nice day!
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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2008, 06:06:27 AM »


        Bingo ,

        You want an investigation ?

      I guarantee the Casino owners wouldn't want an investigation on what politicians they paid off to get the boats here in the first place !!

      Please you cannot be that naive to think they got here on a free ride .  The casino's are no different from a 3 card monte game and are partly responsible for keeping people broke !!  There are way more people getting broke and losing their ass on the boats than the racetrack . Thats a fact !   I know suckers who have had their life destroyed from their losses at the robbing casino's that have gone bankrupt .  Sure you get free food !!  I guess its worth it for them to give a guy a free meal and a drink since the guy is paying for it with his household cash .  The boats should all sink !!!!!!!

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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2008, 06:10:32 AM »

The whole bill is unconstitutional

7 Illinois Supreme Court Justices disagree with you, yet you know it's unconstitutional doh
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2008, 06:21:58 AM »

        Bingo ,

        You want an investigation ?

      I guarantee the Casino owners wouldn't want an investigation on what politicians they paid off to get the boats here in the first place !!

      Please you cannot be that naive to think they got here on a free ride .  The casino's are no different from a 3 card monte game and are partly responsible for keeping people broke !!  There are way more people getting broke and losing their ass on the boats than the racetrack . Thats a fact !   I know suckers who have had their life destroyed from their losses at the robbing casino's that have gone bankrupt .  Sure you get free food !!  I guess its worth it for them to give a guy a free meal and a drink since the guy is paying for it with his household cash .  The boats should all sink !!!!!!!

                                    RTP

Phil with all due respect, I never have said that the casino people were above reproach, just successful at what they are doing as compared to the race tracks. As for people spending the household cash, I bet that is a problem at both gambling venues, not just unique to casino style gaming. As for the Illinois Supremem court, There is no way in that state are they honest and above reproach either. You can bet their campaign coffers have been lined with illicit monies too, in other words their votes have been bought and paid for. Lets see what the supreme court of the US thinks about the matter. No where did I say that race tracks should not be allowed to have casino style gaming, they just shouldnt be able to raid the casino profits to fund the tracks. It is a very slippery slope when you allow this to happen. I must go plow some snow or I wont be able to make it to school to teach the kids.
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2008, 06:58:41 AM »

HOW THE HELL DO WE GET SO MANY SCHOOL TEACHERS ON BTW  Huh

FILLYNATION NOW BINGO , IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?
I'M GOING TO HAVE TO USE SPELL CHECK NOW  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2008, 09:42:50 AM »

Phil with all due respect, I never have said that the casino people were above reproach, just successful at what they are doing as compared to the race tracks.

If people were allowed to play slots and other casino games from home, from casinos that were looser than the home team, and got rebates doing it, our casinos might not be quite so successful either.

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No where did I say that race tracks should not be allowed to have casino style gaming, they just shouldnt be able to raid the casino profits to fund the tracks.

If the casinos don't like paying the 3%, they should stop paying off Madigan to keep slots out of the tracks every time that comes up.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2008, 09:52:08 AM »

If people were allowed to play slots and other casino games from home, from casinos that were looser than the home team, and got rebates doing it, our casinos might not be quite so successful either.

If the casinos don't like paying the 3%, they should stop paying off Madigan to keep slots out of the tracks every time that comes up.


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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2008, 01:05:36 PM »

If people were allowed to play slots and other casino games from home, from casinos that were looser than the home team, and got rebates doing it, our casinos might not be quite so successful either.

If the casinos don't like paying the 3%, they should stop paying off Madigan to keep slots out of the tracks every time that comes up.

Why are you accusing Madigan of taking payoffs.  sneaky  Don't say things like that unless you have proof tapes or video.  screwy
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2008, 03:03:43 PM »

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Phil with all due respect, I never have said that the casino people were above reproach, just successful at what they are doing as compared to the race tracks. As for people spending the household cash, I bet that is a problem at both gambling venues, not just unique to casino style gaming. As for the Illinois Supremem court, There is no way in that state are they honest and above reproach either. You can bet their campaign coffers have been lined with illicit monies too, in other words their votes have been bought and paid for. Lets see what the supreme court of the US thinks about the matter. No where did I say that race tracks should not be allowed to have casino style gaming, they just shouldnt be able to raid the casino profits to fund the tracks. It is a very slippery slope when you allow this to happen. I must go plow some snow or I wont be able to make it to school to teach the kids.
With all the horse manure in this post, there must be a pony in there somewhere. The State Supreme court bought off by the horsemen-right! And compared to the casinos, we have enough money to even come close? YGBSM Go shovel the snow along with the horse manure that you shovel at us.  Then collect your state sponsored teacher retirement that our tax money will pay for.  And have a nice day.  Pork
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2008, 06:00:39 PM »

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    Its real simple  if you cant understand this  i dont know what to tell you.    put in a full casino at the track and they can keep there 3% hell give us a casino and we will be glad to give 3% to the schools .  It is kinda like telling kmart they can only sale  socks  and wal mart  can sell socks and shoes . The tiny 3% of the billions the boats are making is nothing more than a little hush money so they dont have to give us slots  or a full casino .  want money for schools  go after the boats  and there billions not the struggling horseman /women
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2008, 07:45:03 AM »

Anyone know if this cancels recapture
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2008, 10:30:48 AM »

does not .... but   the 3% is to be split 60% horseman  and 40%  track owners  harness side has  set a deal with the tracks  at 50 / 50 and the tracks pay recapture . So in a way yes it is eliminated  but not really
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2008, 10:48:18 AM »

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    Its real simple  if you cant understand this  i dont know what to tell you.    put in a full casino at the track and they can keep there 3% hell give us a casino and we will be glad to give 3% to the schools .  It is kinda like telling kmart they can only sale  socks  and wal mart  can sell socks and shoes . The tiny 3% of the billions the boats are making is nothing more than a little hush money so they dont have to give us slots  or a full casino .  want money for schools  go after the boats  and there billions not the struggling horseman /women

Eggie, please tell me WHY the tracks DESERVE a casino? They did NOTHING when the casinos tried to get into Illinois. IN FACT they ran around(as did the horsemen) with their silly "casiNO" buttons on. If they wanted to be partners on casino-type gambling, then fine, work out a deal with them and split the profits.But they didn't and tried to stop the casinos from opening here.Tell me which casino in Illinois has horse racing available? It seems to me that the tracks tried stopping the casinos and then when they couldn't, they want part of THEIR profit.Doesn't seem right. Or they want CASINO-TYPE gambling on their property.Why should they get it? They have harness racing. The tracks AND the horsemen need to do a better job of promoting their OWN business instead of trying to horn in on someone elses. Why give the track owners TONS of profits for NOTHING?And just WHY do the horsemen think they are going to get a fair shake on this from the track owners? They NEVER have before..... And if the tracks do get the slots, kiss harness racing goodby. They would have NO incentive to keep racing. The track owners here are the worst in the country. And especially at screwing the horsemen. The track owners will become casino owners. THAT'S what they want. GUARANTEED millions. Just sit back and do nothing. Kind of like how they have let the horse racing business go downhill. The horse people talk of how many jobs will be lost because of the loss of harness racing. Well that's how many are going to be gone when the track owners go to just a straight casino.Horsemen, I have a suggestion if you want to stay in Chicago, LEARN HOW TO DEAL the cards.
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« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2008, 09:36:22 PM »

Just curious .......... who is going to have the budget for Illinois worked out in time?

If Blago is fighting this impeachment when will he have time for this?

supernaut,

Horse racing was here first and casinos belong in Vegas only JMO.
Casinos will not allow the tracks to have slots so why shouldn't the horsemen get something? 
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« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2008, 10:54:02 PM »

Just curious .......... who is going to have the budget for Illinois worked out in time?

If Blago is fighting this impeachment when will he have time for this?

supernaut,

Horse racing was here first and casinos belong in Vegas only JMO.
Casinos will not allow the tracks to have slots so why shouldn't the horsemen get something? 

Horse racing was here first and PASSED on the chance to be partners on casinos.
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« Reply #44 on: December 30, 2008, 12:35:57 PM »

How much annual money does the 3% represent?
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« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2008, 03:57:26 PM »

Horse racing was here first and PASSED on the chance to be partners on casinos.

I don't think "horse racing" ever had a chance at the original casinos in Illinois. The law specified they had to go in depressed old river towns, and the licenses all went to politically connected insiders. All racing could do was fight.
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