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Author Topic: Gov Blago Signs Bill  (Read 3662 times)
Dleestable
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« on: December 15, 2008, 09:40:39 PM »

Just got a text that our dear Gov signed the 3% Bill today.  I got it from the IHHA, so maybe we might have some relief coming someday. 
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 10:24:45 PM »

Just got a text that our dear Gov signed the 3% Bill today.  I got it from the IHHA, so maybe we might have some relief coming someday. 
Not to sound negative but what % will blago be looking for???  thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 10:31:38 PM »

I just hope it doesn't get taken down due to who signed it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2008, 12:24:56 AM »

Guess he got the suitcase full of money after all.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 12:35:13 AM »

he is still the Gov. so it has to be law
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2008, 12:53:01 AM »

he is still the Gov. so it has to be law
More than likely unlawful if signed by this CROOK.... thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
Any bill can be vetoed by 2/3 of the House...
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2008, 01:13:05 AM »

More than likely unlawful if signed by this CROOK.... thumbs down thumbs down thumbs down
Any bill can be vetoed by 2/3 of the House...
But they passed it originally. so I have my  crossedfingers that it is good.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2008, 06:56:00 AM »

with all the real problems this state has you would think they could find better uses for the casino money than supporting a dying industry such as harness racing. Schools, healthcare, and job training for real citizens would be a much better use of the funds.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2008, 07:16:37 AM »

Schools,

Well that was what the lottery was for, but who knows where all the money goes from the lottery.  That was the big sell when they wanted the lottery to go through.  Look how much that helped, someone has to know.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2008, 07:46:57 AM »

with all the real problems this state has you would think they could find better uses for the casino money than supporting a dying industry such as harness racing. Schools, healthcare, and job training for real citizens would be a much better use of the funds.
You don't think that having 40,000 Illinois jobs at risk is a "real problem"? You don't think those of us in racing are "real citizens"?

Don't forget that this "dying industry" is in the shape it is due in large part to the casinos, and the 3% comes from them in addition to the taxes they pay the state. No money is coming out of state coffers that could be used for something else.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2008, 08:34:57 AM »

Schools,

Well that was what the lottery was for, but who knows where all the money goes from the lottery.  That was the big sell when they wanted the lottery to go through.  Look how much that helped, someone has to know.

where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate.

You don't think that having 40,000 Illinois jobs at risk is a "real problem"? You don't think those of us in racing are "real citizens"?

Don't forget that this "dying industry" is in the shape it is due in large part to the casinos, and the 3% comes from them in addition to the taxes they pay the state. No money is coming out of state coffers that could be used for something else.

You are blaming the casinos for harness racing problems? The fact they they give patrons another option to gamble is a problem. Last I checked, racing was here for before casinos and if racing would have done a better job of treating its customers they would have had no need to go to a casino. Sears should not have to support Target and thats what you are asking the casinos to do. Racing is its own enemy.Casinos should be replacing harness racing not supporting it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2008, 09:46:39 AM »

Sears should not have to support Target and thats what you are asking the casinos to do.

That's not really a good analogy. Sears and Target are both allowed to sell the same products.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2008, 11:42:02 AM »

Gambling is gambling and why should one have to support the other? The tracks AND the horsemen have worked together to dig a grave for harness racing in Illinois. The tracks have treated the gamblers HORRIBLY for as long as I can remember. Gouging them with admission fees, parking fees,exorbitant charges for programs, ridiculous and outrageous concession prices, Not to mention the WORST hit of all-the take-out and the EXTRA cuts from the pools.Let's see, the casino doesn't charge parking or admission, concessions are mostly free while you are gambling, AND they DON'T have extra charges when you win.Well, you won $400 but with our take-out, you only get $370. NOT AT THE CASINO.The gambler is treated like garbage by the tracks. And have been for some time. The horsemen have contributed to this decline by electing people to their Assn. who are easily bought by the tracks. They are like sheep being herded around by management.I know it's difficult but when things are wrong, the only recourse is to not enter. Certain stables will still enter, so let them race against themselves. They usually win all of the races anyway, so let them have 4 or 5 horse races. See how much the handle is then.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2008, 02:25:51 PM »

Gambling is gambling

No, it isn't. Different types are more lucrative than others. Bingo isn't as popular as slots, and doesn't make as much money, for instance.

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and why should one have to support the other?

I'm sure the tracks and horsemen would be willing to get their own slots and (try to) compete with the casinos heads up so they wouldn't have to take a subsidy. But they can't, because the State of Illinois has granted a monopoly on slots and table games and so on to 10 casinos in all of Illinois, and the existing casinos protect that very jealously. The 3% deal seems to be the legislature's idea of a compromise on the question.

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The tracks AND the horsemen have worked together to dig a grave for harness racing in Illinois. The tracks have treated the gamblers HORRIBLY

Yeah, yeah, it's bad and has been bad, I agree. Apparently, however, our lawmakers don't see it your way.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2008, 02:30:47 PM »


where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate


Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2008, 02:43:05 PM »

Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?

When the schools got the lottery money, the lawmakers just funded them less from the general fund.
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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2008, 03:04:28 PM »

          Lets not compare casino gambling to playing horses !!

       One form of gambling requires hardly any challenge and for most patrons just a fast way to go broke !!   The other racing , presents a challenge to the mind and skills of handicapping a race where you can get odds in your favor , while the casino odds are never in your favor in any games !!  Casino's were built for suckers to empty out their cash and have prospered for that reason only . There are plenty of suckers at the races , but thats the suckers fault for not learning the game there playing and hoping for a lot of luck . You can beat the horses !!  You can't beat the casino's unless you get lucky one night and never return !!!!  The only edge a casino player ever had was to count cards playing blackjack and they stopped that quickly , like you were cheating !!  why would it be cheating ?  Oh yeah , those that could count cards to get an edge had a brain and they only want braindead patrons that will lose their cash . I'll stick to horses and even if I lose I know the odds can be in my favor !!  There's no slot machine programmed to win ONLY !!  

        The tracks today give free parking and programs to a lot of customers , its a step in the right direction .

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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2008, 04:00:55 PM »

where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate


Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?

Where Your Lottery Dollar Goes
.57¢ - Prizes Awarded to Winners $1.15 billion in FY07

.33¢ - Transfers to Common School Fund (state aid to schools) $622 Million in FY07

.07¢ - Retailer and Vendor Commissions and Bonuses $146 Million in FY07

.03¢ - Expenses, Including Salaries, Advertising, and Telecommunications $58.7 Million in FY07


622 million is a drop in the bucket to the 7.5 billion Illinois needs to fund elemetary and secondary education

http://www.iasb.com/pdf/lottery.pdf

FY 2007
$12.9 billion — local property taxes
$7.5 billion — state funds
$2.2 billion — federal funds
*$622 million in lottery proceeds represented
8.5 percent of the state’s share
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2008, 04:38:36 PM »

Where Your Lottery Dollar Goes
.57¢ - Prizes Awarded to Winners $1.15 billion in FY07

.33¢ - Transfers to Common School Fund (state aid to schools) $622 Million in FY07

.07¢ - Retailer and Vendor Commissions and Bonuses $146 Million in FY07

.03¢ - Expenses, Including Salaries, Advertising, and Telecommunications $58.7 Million in FY07


622 million is a drop in the bucket to the 7.5 billion Illinois needs to fund elemetary and secondary education

http://www.iasb.com/pdf/lottery.pdf

FY 2007
$12.9 billion — local property taxes
$7.5 billion — state funds
$2.2 billion — federal funds
*$622 million in lottery proceeds represented
8.5 percent of the state’s share
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Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2008, 04:55:35 PM »

Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.

eljay,

  Kind of makes you wonder what he is doing in a site thats dedicated to harness racing??
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2008, 04:57:22 PM »

Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.
so sorry that facts have to get in the way of your moneygrab.
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2008, 05:19:30 PM »

where was it ever said that the lottery proceeds was ALL the money schools were ever going to need? The lottery money is just a drop in the bucket of what schools need to operate


Ok...schools were not being funded by the lottery and needed help. That was the big selling point for passing the lottery.  Now they have the lottery and still need more help?  How did they function before?  Someone has to be getting their pockets lined.  Who knows how much money the lottery funds into the school system?


Donna, the original process for the lottery profits to schools is correct. HOWEVER, back when , when Big Jim Thompson was gov, he stated that the lottery profits would be a direct supplement to the education fund.....UNTIL the lottery profits OVERCAME the education budget and that profit BECAME the education fund. That's where and what has happened to that money.

  Just trying to help.... trophy

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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2008, 08:11:29 PM »

so sorry that facts have to get in the way of your moneygrab.
Let's talk about the 40,000 jobs.  Or are they not "real" enough for you?
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2008, 08:19:27 PM »

Just a thought, TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.  Maybe find a chat room for casino players or school teachers.

eljay,

  Kind of makes you wonder what he is doing in a site thats dedicated to harness racing??
Maybe there are no "real" sites for slot pullers! maroon
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2008, 08:33:23 PM »

Maybe there are no "real" sites for slot pullers!

Just don't get why he would even bother being here.
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