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« on: February 08, 2006, 02:11:21 PM »

I'm going to Australia and New Zealand the last part of February.
I have already been to Harold Park in sydney and plan on going again.
Unfortunately, my Auckland visit doesn't fit the Alexandra Park schedule.
My question is this;
Are there any horseman out there who have been to Australia and spent time at the races.
I lucked out and made money last trip but still didn't have much of a clue as to strategy etc;
It is a much different game with 12-14 horses on a track similar to half miler.
I saw a great down under champion last year named Elsu.
This horse was sired by Falcon Seelster.
Would love to hear any opinions on Australian racing.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2006, 10:33:04 PM »

I think your one lucky man, I owned and trained a few ausie horses most were not easy to handle, but I wish I had the chance to visit and see how they do things down under. Wish I could have helped you more. Good luck and have a safe journey! Joe 
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 10:48:19 PM »

honest1.Do you train any yourself?
I see you are useing team Dudzik.
the kid wouldn't be bad if he would go threw ANGER MANAGEMENT!!
pepitone sure turned around!!!
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2006, 12:48:41 AM »

Burton,

Havent posted in here for awhile.
I will be making a NZ and Aussie trip in late Sept to early Oct.

would love to know any hints you have and stuff to look for at the tracks.

Look forward to your report.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 12:06:32 PM »

G'day guys, hows it going?

Just a bit about myself first. I was born into the industry since my father was a owner-trainer-driver in Australia. We got out of the industry due to the decline in the sport, especially to the non-big time people as money became a major issue. Myself i'm 20 years old and i'm a decent follower of the sport here in Aus. I just came back from the heats of the biggest race of the year the interdominion in my hometown of Adelaide. Fantastic night of racing, another set of 3 heats to go, then the finals  trotter.

I see most don't know what the harness racing in Aus is like, so i'll try to explain to you guys. Sorry if i use terms that may not be used in the US. Hopefully i'll understand a bit about your form as well.

In Aus, the tracks are not dirt but a type of soft loose gravel. Tracks are usually 800metres big (half mile), which makes for slower times as the straights are not as long. Although there is a push for 1000m tracks around Aus. The main gait is pacing rather than trotting. Obviously the sulkies are longer and winder in Aus. The drivers here don't lie down  Grin. Seeing footage of American races is strange for me, as with smaller tracks here, the racing is much tighter, and closer, it seems that american racing is very spaced out, not willing to form two rows. I guess in Aus if your not near the front near the finish you'll never win, as the straight to the line is only 200 metres, and you don't want  to be 3-4 wide round the bend. Race distances varies from 1600m to 2800m.

This night i was lucky to see a track record for the last mile 1.54.7, not sure what the fastest time is here.
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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 12:18:27 PM »

This night i was lucky to see a track record for the last mile 1.54.7, not sure what the fastest time is here.

Interesting post!

The fastest time on a mile track (1609m) is 1:46 4/5.  On a 5/8ths, it's 1:48 3/5, and on a half it's 1:49.

As you probably know, all races here are a rolling start (that I know of), and probably 99.9% are over the mile distance.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 12:31:49 PM »

Interesting post!

The fastest time on a mile track (1609m) is 1:46 4/5.  On a 5/8ths, it's 1:48 3/5, and on a half it's 1:49.

As you probably know, all races here are a rolling start (that I know of), and probably 99.9% are over the mile distance.

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I don't know about the tracks there but in Aus theres not much straight, theres a lot of turn. I think races are run differently as well, at starts theres a lot of pace, for positioning, then the race slows, then the pace picks up and the last quater is usually the fastest. Tonight we had 26.6 for the last quarter. Watching youtube clips of American races, theres no real preasure during the race nor fighting for position.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 12:34:49 PM »

I don't know about the tracks there but in Aus theres not much straight, theres a lot of turn. I think races are run differently as well, at starts theres a lot of pace, for positioning, then the race slows, then the pace picks up and the last quater is usually the fastest. Tonight we had 26.6 for the last quarter. Watching youtube clips of American races, theres no real preasure during the race nor fighting for position.
Great topic.
I've been to Harrold Park in Sydney several times and have been to Alexandria Park in Auckland.
Will be returning this February.
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2007, 12:39:11 PM »

Great topic.
I've been to Harrold Park in Sydney several times and have been to Alexandria Park in Auckland.
Will be returning this February.

How did you find the racing?
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 12:46:06 PM »

How did you find the racing?
I liked it.
The large fields were unusual for me for the small track size, but I enjoyed the constant movement.
I also enjoyed the atmosphere.
I recall paying $10 entry fee which got me a large ham sandwich, a shrimp platter and two beers along with admission at Harrold Park.
The racing paper was a bit difficult to read.
I do prefer the US format.
Leaving cold Chicago for sunny Sydney is always a treat.
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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2007, 12:53:12 PM »

I liked it.
The large fields were unusual for me for the small track size, but I enjoyed the constant movement.
I also enjoyed the atmosphere.
I recall paying $10 entry fee which got me a large ham sandwich, a shrimp platter and two beers along with admission at Harrold Park.
The racing paper was a bit difficult to read.
I do prefer the US format.
Leaving cold Chicago for sunny Sydney is always a treat.


Its a bit of a culture shock isn't it. i remember first seeing video footage of an American race and a European race. I couldn't understand anything.

I don't know if in America you use these terms like the breeze, the death, 1-1, etc.

How did you find reading the race and tactics involved?

Unfortunetely for others this is the only footage i found of a race in Aus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcm9gj-E7kU , not the top but alright, and its only of the last lap.
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2007, 01:05:08 PM »

Its a bit of a culture shock isn't it. i remember first seeing video footage of an American race and a European race. I couldn't understand anything.

I don't know if in America you use these terms like the breeze, the death, 1-1, etc.

How did you find reading the race and tactics involved?

Unfortunetely for others this is the only footage i found of a race in Aus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcm9gj-E7kU , not the top but alright, and its only of the last lap.
As far as the race paper.
I did enjoy all the news, articles etc; the past performances were difficult.
From what I could understand of the tactics, it was like here in that you liked to be near the lead with a slow pace.
All in all I enjoyed it.
I will ask you more questions about it as my trip is confirmed.
Thank you!!
Very interesting.
We get some stories from down under on the USTrotting.com site here.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2007, 01:30:02 PM »

This is one of the biggest races of the year its the miracle mile http://www.haroldpark.com.au/Results/videos/2407.WMV
Be Good Johnny and Blacks a Fake are probably the two best horses in Aus.
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2007, 01:34:39 PM »

Watching youtube clips of American races, theres no real preasure during the race nor fighting for position.

It's actually the exact opposite.  The early pace to jostle for position is far faster than what I've observed in Australia.  It's fairly common to see 54-55 second opening halves, in order to be close to the pace, and that's one of the reasons you don't see horses racing off the rail -- the pace isn't slow enough for them to win parked out.

I believe the term 1-1 is 2nd over in America?  The second horse up on the outside?  I'm sure we have terms for "breeze" and "death" as well, but I'm not familiar with those.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2007, 01:48:40 PM »

It's actually the exact opposite.  The early pace to jostle for position is far faster than what I've observed in Australia.  It's fairly common to see 54-55 second opening halves, in order to be close to the pace, and that's one of the reasons you don't see horses racing off the rail -- the pace isn't slow enough for them to win parked out.

I believe the term 1-1 is 2nd over in America?  The second horse up on the outside?  I'm sure we have terms for "breeze" and "death" as well, but I'm not familiar with those.

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I guess thats probably why you see horses streched out more, so i'm assuming speed is more important, and here in Aus its positioning?
Top horses will usually run 29-30 first quarter and similar second, but i still don't know how they would compare to your tracks as i believe there a bit different.

The death is outside the leader.
A horse facing the breeze is usually the leader or the death.
Yeah the 1-1 is the one out one back, so the horse behind the death.
The horse behind the leader its common place to hear the commentators use sprint lane.
The horse behind the sprint lane horse is 3 peg, so on.
The horse behind the 1-1 is refered to 2 back 1 out or 1 out 2 back and so on
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 01:56:47 PM »

I guess thats probably why you see horses streched out more, so i'm assuming speed is more important, and here in Aus its positioning?
Top horses will usually run 29-30 first quarter and similar second, but i still don't know how they would compare to your tracks as i believe there a bit different.

The death is outside the leader.
A horse facing the breeze is usually the leader or the death.
Yeah the 1-1 is the one out one back, so the horse behind the death.
The horse behind the leader its common place to hear the commentators use sprint lane.
The horse behind the sprint lane horse is 3 peg, so on.
The horse behind the 1-1 is refered to 2 back 1 out or 1 out 2 back and so on

Our terms:
"death" = first over, or sometimes called parked out (especially if they are trying to clear the lead)
"1-1" = second over (and those continue back -- in a 10 horse field if they are 5 in and 5 out, the final horse on the outside is fifth over)
The horse behind the leader is "in the pocket" or has a "garden trip."
We really don't have any terms like "3 peg" -- they'll just be called 3rd on the rail, if not just by position...

Speed definitely plays a huge factor.  It's been an evolution, especially in the past two decades or so.  Position matters far more on the smaller tracks, but there's still normally a fast first quarter in order to reach that positioning.

The spacing results from these pace scenarios.  In races where a leader slows the pace (and no one pressures), you see fields stack up in two lines.

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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 02:06:29 PM »

Our terms:
"death" = first over, or sometimes called parked out (especially if they are trying to clear the lead)
"1-1" = second over (and those continue back -- in a 10 horse field if they are 5 in and 5 out, the final horse on the outside is fifth over)
The horse behind the leader is "in the pocket" or has a "garden trip."
We really don't have any terms like "3 peg" -- they'll just be called 3rd on the rail, if not just by position...

Speed definitely plays a huge factor.  It's been an evolution, especially in the past two decades or so.  Position matters far more on the smaller tracks, but there's still normally a fast first quarter in order to reach that positioning.

The spacing results from these pace scenarios.  In races where a leader slows the pace (and no one pressures), you see fields stack up in two lines.

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All quite interesting. In Aus its always stacked in two lines. If the death doesn't challenge the pace, someone from deeper will challenge the death. A lot of staying horses will put preassure on the leader (may not challenge for its position), as they don't have much of a sprint. But slow pace will always invite the sit sprinter (usually the horse behid the leader) and the deep challenges, depends if the leader has the sprint. Its more common to see the leader win, if it controls the race to its terms (fast or slow).

All very interesting.
I have to go know, but definetely keep posting on this topic. 
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 02:30:02 PM »

Very interesting discussion.
Look forward to hearing more about Australian harness racing.
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2007, 02:32:55 PM »

I was at both Alexandra Park in Auckland and Harold Park in Syndey this past September & October.

What surprised me was that horses dont work out an hour before the race as they do here in N. America. With the programs basically listing only the last 3 races, and with no PP lines to go by it was hard to plot how a race would go. They didnt have race replay machines as the Big M has(dont know about Balmoral). The standing start races were weird to watch and it seems not all of the horses were ready when the word go was given.  I did like the fact that you can bet fixed odds with the on track books vs the windows. Harold Park, which I took a bus to, was an older track where most of the people park in the infield and walk thru a tunnel to get to the grandstand. I felt the drivers for most of the horses would have no chance competing at any of our top tracks.  They have a tack shop right in the grandstand so it was cool to check out trainers/drivers picking up last minute supplies.

Alexandra Park in Auckland was a bit bigger than a half mile track but not as big as a 5/8th track. They too had no workouts between races and the programs were just as hard to read.

I had a good time at both places and would go back again. Outside Alexandra Park track is the NZ Hall of Fame. Alot of old pictures of some top down under horses, including Cardigan Bay.  

I also got to take a tour of Alabar Breeding Farm in south Auckland. Great place to go and the outdoor paddocks there lead right up to the ocean, or it might be Tasman Sea. Ocean Property in that location, if it were in California would go for the Millions.   Horses are treated regally down there.

I will say the best track I saw in Australia was Royal Randwick where they run the T-Breds.
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2007, 03:00:28 PM »

You point out a interesting fact left out before.
That being the on-track bookmakers.
That was fun to watch.
I also went to a greyhound trak in Sydney and two of the bookmakers had quite attractive young ladies collecting the cash.
Very interesting.
A lot to take in as far as handicapping etc; when you're only there for a night or so.
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2007, 03:10:02 PM »

A lot to take in as far as handicapping etc; when you're only there for a night or so.

Pretty much impossible!

You could carve out a ridiculous advantage over time, however -- I would think!

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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2007, 03:17:59 PM »

Pretty much impossible!

You could carve out a ridiculous advantage over time, however -- I would think!

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I found it entertaining.
Horses parked the mile was the norm.
Horses going three wide at the half just to end up first over.
It was fun!!
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2007, 03:23:41 PM »

Some of the on track books had cute girls and some had guys who looked like they got them out of a 1920's soup kitchen.

I dont understand why a track would want the books on the grounds as they take money away from the on track wagering pools. I am sure the books pay a fee to have a stand at the track.

Maybe our down under fan can enlighten us as to what the books pay the track(if anything) for the right to take wagers. Maybe he can let us know.

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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2007, 03:26:03 PM »

Some of the on track books had cute girls and some had guys who looked like they got them out of a 1920's soup kitchen.

I dont understand why a track would want the books on the grounds as they take money away from the on track wagering pools. I am sure the books pay a fee to have a stand at the track.

Maybe our down under fan can enlighten us as to what the books pay the track(if anything) for the right to take wagers. Maybe he can let us know.

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I'm pretty sure that the wagering in Australia is handled by the State, and that the tracks have nothing to do with it.

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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 03:33:40 PM »

I'm pretty sure that the wagering in Australia is handled by the State, and that the tracks have nothing to do with it.

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I believe the TAB is handled by the states in Australia. I think there are seperate pools depending on where you live. NSW-TAB for the Sydney area, then either Uni-Tab or Super Tab for the other parts of OZ. I do not know about the books. At Harold Park there were only 4 books they night I was there.
At the T-Breds(or the Gallops as they call them down under) there were at least 10.
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« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2007, 03:36:25 PM »

Very interesting and informative posts. Hey aussie, do any of the tracks have on site stabling or are most horses stabled at training facilities/farms etc.
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2007, 03:40:29 PM »

I believe the TAB is handled by the states in Australia. I think there are seperate pools depending on where you live. NSW-TAB for the Sydney area, then either Uni-Tab or Super Tab for the other parts of OZ. I do not know about the books. At Harold Park there were only 4 books they night I was there.
At the T-Breds(or the Gallops as they call them down under) there were at least 10.
I frequented the TAB shops while sightseeing/shopping etc;
Some decent bars etc;
A good time.
My only complaint, no Meadowlands.
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2007, 08:25:13 PM »

i am from new zealand been here for 5 years if u want to see something amazing go to a track in sydney call canterbury bankstown its great u wouldnt think driveing down the street that there was horses in the town every trainer has a barn in there back yard peter walsh is from there. they jog there horses down the main streets to get to track and even stop at traffic lights! u have to see it to beleive it
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2007, 09:12:21 PM »

I'm surprised your bookies don't hold fixed bets.

The bookies have to pay a fee, a % of their earnings to the club. The tote was formerly owned by the states, with one big pool, now there's 3 private companies owning the tab's (tote) for different states. This in effect has killed the game a bit, as gambling prices are much shorter as the money in the pool is not that much as it would be combined. This is the main reason for the deciline here in Aus for racing. As less and less people stop gambling less money goes to the track.

Playing the bookies Vs Tote game is fun. All about timing, and $. Yes the bookies odds are fixed, so the price you bet on is your price, so in effect you can shop around for prices. With the tote, the amount of last minute bets, and possibilities of big money bets, could see your horses prices fall very short (due to the ownership and not one big pool). So you got to predict what prices the tote will hold Vs the bookies prices. With the bookies you also see where big bets go to, so if one bookie has a short price compared to the others, this may mean greater interest for that horse, or possibly an owner or trainer or atleast someone in the know dropped big money on the horse. This allows you to get on the horse at a decent price whether at the tote or the bookies.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2007, 09:21:38 PM »

I found it entertaining.
Horses parked the mile was the norm.
Horses going three wide at the half just to end up first over.
It was fun!!

All races have 3 wide horses, for the final lap, which makes for tight racing, but ita difficult on the long bends and short straights to win, but if its a top horse they'll come.

My father was recognised as a aggressive driver, which meant he always fought for get to the 1-1. As one of our top horses liked racing in the breeze, or at the back, the horse would panic in the pack. That factor probably stopped the horse from being a awesome horse rather than a top horse.
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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2007, 09:59:26 PM »

I'm surprised your bookies don't hold fixed bets.

The bookies have to pay a fee, a % of their earnings to the club. The tote was formerly owned by the states, with one big pool, now there's 3 private companies owning the tab's (tote) for different states. This in effect has killed the game a bit, as gambling prices are much shorter as the money in the pool is not that much as it would be combined. This is the main reason for the deciline here in Aus for racing. As less and less people stop gambling less money goes to the track.

Playing the bookies Vs Tote game is fun. All about timing, and $. Yes the bookies odds are fixed, so the price you bet on is your price, so in effect you can shop around for prices. With the tote, the amount of last minute bets, and possibilities of big money bets, could see your horses prices fall very short (due to the ownership and not one big pool). So you got to predict what prices the tote will hold Vs the bookies prices. With the bookies you also see where big bets go to, so if one bookie has a short price compared to the others, this may mean greater interest for that horse, or possibly an owner or trainer or atleast someone in the know dropped big money on the horse. This allows you to get on the horse at a decent price whether at the tote or the bookies.

Since we don't have legal books in the US or Canada, it's impossible for them to "hold fixed bets."  Wink

As for the price differences among the mutuel pool and bookies, if a particular book were to find his position to be significantly out of line with the mutuel pool, might he not "lay off" some of his book into the pool in order to hedge his book?
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2007, 10:07:51 PM »

It`s already tomorrow afternoon in Australia

 clocker for stock tips mate   Grin
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2007, 06:52:49 PM »

It`s already tomorrow afternoon in Australia

 clocker for stock tips mate   Grin

Nah waiting on the big race on Saturday.
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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2007, 06:54:29 PM »

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but are all races 1600m or 1 mile? What happens to a horse with staying abilities???
Why aren't there longer races??? I think your missing out on them.
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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2007, 07:00:28 PM »

i wish we had longer races,i think the fans would like that.
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2007, 07:23:05 PM »

The pre race needles are only big enough for a one mile race. HuhHuh

Actually after seeing some of the down under races there isnt "alot" of movement in the fields in mid race. In our races from the Big M there is alot more action in the first second and final quarters. If we went any further than a mile the horses would be walking the last quarter.
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2007, 07:35:32 PM »

The pre race needles are only big enough for a one mile race. HuhHuh

Actually after seeing some of the down under races there isnt "alot" of movement in the fields in mid race. In our races from the Big M there is alot more action in the first second and final quarters. If we went any further than a mile the horses would be walking the last quarter.


I've heard about the "gear" in America, heard it will fet the best out of horses.

Yeah  in 2800m or even a  2200m race you can't battle all the way. Plus if the speed is good, you wont have too many movement as that would mean a 3 wide run at speed, not the easiest thing to do.

Stayer races test who's the best, also wouldn't there be horses better suited to the longer distances? The top horses here race and win in all distances, it would a good test to see whos the best American stayer.
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2007, 07:54:56 PM »

I've heard about the "gear" in America, heard it will fet the best out of horses.

Yeah  in 2800m or even a  2200m race you can't battle all the way. Plus if the speed is good, you wont have too many movement as that would mean a 3 wide run at speed, not the easiest thing to do.

Stayer races test who's the best, also wouldn't there be horses better suited to the longer distances? The top horses here race and win in all distances, it would a good test to see whos the best American stayer.

Races longer than a 1 1/4 (2000m) are pretty much unheard of.  I can think of maybe 2 or 3 that happened all of last year.

That said, probably 99.9% of the races run are one mile (1609m).

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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2007, 06:42:07 AM »

Races longer than a 1 1/4 (2000m) are pretty much unheard of.  I can think of maybe 2 or 3 that happened all of last year.

That said, probably 99.9% of the races run are one mile (1609m).

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I reakon you should have like a staying tournament, decent money and the novelty of it will attract a few people. Have qualification rounds of 2 heats and then a final. Have 1 heat at 2200m, another at 2900m and then the final 2500m.
I'm sure there are many horses born for distance, and i'm sure if trained well the horses will make the distance. If speed is slowed down it would make for a brilliant last quarter to the race.
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I reakon you should have like a staying tournament, decent money and the novelty of it will attract a few people. Have qualification rounds of 2 heats and then a final. Have 1 heat at 2200m, another at 2900m and then the final 2500m.
I'm sure there are many horses born for distance, and i'm sure if trained well the horses will make the distance. If speed is slowed down it would make for a brilliant last quarter to the race.

It's a novel idea, but I really don't think the money is there.  You could do it for cheaper horses (who just want to run for an increased purse), but as far as attracting class horses -- I'm not sure it's possible.

Cal-Expo had a two mile race for 3000 claimers last summer.  It was quite interesting.

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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2007, 09:56:06 AM »

It's a novel idea, but I really don't think the money is there.  You could do it for cheaper horses (who just want to run for an increased purse), but as far as attracting class horses -- I'm not sure it's possible.

Cal-Expo had a two mile race for 3000 claimers last summer.  It was quite interesting.

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As I recall, there was a series for trotters a few years ago at the Meadowlands  which had the races at various distances. I think it was dropped for lack of interest on the part of both the horsemen and the bettors.
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I'm looking at a 1999 Globe Derby Park program (South Australian Racing Club) and, as a "center fold," there are photo strips taken "at the bell" and at the finish.  What position in the race is "at the bell?"  It doesn't look like the start.  Is the "treble" our pick-three?  Also, are "barriers" the same as our post positions?
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I'm looking at a 1999 Globe Derby Park program (South Australian Racing Club) and, as a "center fold," there are photo strips taken "at the bell" and at the finish.  What position in the race is "at the bell?"  It doesn't look like the start.  Is the "treble" our pick-three?  Also, are "barriers" the same as our post positions?

This is a complete guess -- "bell lap" = one lap to go?

Barriers are posts.  They use the same term in the flats.

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I'm looking at a 1999 Globe Derby Park program (South Australian Racing Club) and, as a "center fold," there are photo strips taken "at the bell" and at the finish.  What position in the race is "at the bell?"  It doesn't look like the start.  Is the "treble" our pick-three?  Also, are "barriers" the same as our post positions?

haha, Globe Derby is my home track. Yeah the bell is one lap to go as EW guessed. At the bell its around 800m (half mile) to go at Globe Derby. Is your pick 3 our trifecta. Treble is picking the winners of the 3 listed races. Now they do 4 races. We also have the first 4 where you pick the first 4 horses to cross the line.
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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2007, 10:00:11 PM »

Here are the last 800m (at the bell) for the Interdominion heats, another set of heats in a few hours time, the final next week. All 1800m heats these 3. Interdominion is the biggest race in the Australasian horness racing.

Bee Good Johnny's victory virtually against Blacks a Fake. The two best horses in Australia, last quarter 26.6, track record mile rate at 1.54.7 http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM03010701.wmv
What we didn't see was the work be good johnny had to do. Also with blakes a fake starting at barrier 9 (Second row 1).
Best race i've ever witnessed live.

Second best race i've ever witnessed was the earlier heat in terms of the finish the best finish i've seen, the other race gets up being the best because of the 26.6 final quarter, this one they came in at 1.54.8 which set a new track record. Winforu with a great run but Tribute in the 1-1 gets over Karloo Mick who worked to get to the front but got crossed. http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM03010707.wmv

The third race was the easier of the three, two horses were scratched before the race, so a smaller field as well. Probably the weaker field as well. Robin Hood http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM03010708.wmv

Tonight Aus time, there racing 2230m another 3 heats + there will be 2 trotter heats as well.


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haha, Globe Derby is my home track. Yeah the bell is one lap to go as EW guessed. At the bell its around 800m (half mile) to go at Globe Derby. Is your pick 3 our trifecta. Treble is picking the winners of the 3 listed races. Now they do 4 races. We also have the first 4 where you pick the first 4 horses to cross the line.
Our trifecta is the first three horses in a single race.
Our pick three is the winners of three consecutive races.
I am enjoying the races you're sending.
I am looking at being in Sydney mid-February.
Hopefully we can trade info and I'll have a fighting chance reading your past performances.
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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2007, 11:27:13 AM »

Here are the last 800m (at the bell) for the Interdominion heats, another set of heats in a few hours time, the final next week. All 1800m heats these 3. Interdominion is the biggest race in the Australasian horness racing.

Bee Good Johnny's victory virtually against Blacks a Fake. The two best horses in Australia, last quarter 26.6, track record mile rate at 1.54.7 http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM03010701.wmv
What we didn't see was the work be good johnny had to do. Also with blakes a fake starting at barrier 9 (Second row 1).
Best race i've ever witnessed live.

Second best race i've ever witnessed was the earlier heat in terms of the finish the best finish i've seen, the other race gets up being the best because of the 26.6 final quarter, this one they came in at 1.54.8 which set a new track record. Winforu with a great run but Tribute in the 1-1 gets over Karloo Mick who worked to get to the front but got crossed. http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM03010707.wmv

The third race was the easier of the three, two horses were scratched before the race, so a smaller field as well. Probably the weaker field as well. Robin Hood http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM03010708.wmv

Tonight Aus time, there racing 2230m another 3 heats + there will be 2 trotter heats as well.




More videos of the last lap will come soon, even heats of the trotters.
www.harness.org.au is the website for harness fans in Aus, its got all results, programs, news on the site.
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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2007, 12:45:11 PM »

FYI, New Zealand posts replays for nearly all their races.

http://www.hrnz.co.nz/ -- race videos on the left hand side.

You can make some good money on the invaders this way, sometimes.

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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2007, 04:10:44 AM »

FYI, New Zealand posts replays for nearly all their races.

http://www.hrnz.co.nz/ -- race videos on the left hand side.

You can make some good money on the invaders this way, sometimes.

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I had a punt last night for you guys - Cams Fool, came second at good odds, but i didn't put the each way bet. Apparently the horse ran 1.50.00 mile in America as a 3 year old before being brought to Aus.
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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2007, 09:42:39 AM »

I had a punt last night for you guys - Cams Fool, came second at good odds, but i didn't put the each way bet. Apparently the horse ran 1.50.00 mile in America as a 3 year old before being brought to Aus.

He hasn't done too well down there.  I guess he got sick after the ship, or at least that's what they've said.  To my knowledge, he's coming back up here.

He was okay as a three-year-old.  If I remember correctly, he had a couple tough trips in major stake action.  Was a second-string 3yo in his barn (Snyder owned him, right?).

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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2007, 11:25:14 AM »

He hasn't done too well down there.  I guess he got sick after the ship, or at least that's what they've said.  To my knowledge, he's coming back up here.

He was okay as a three-year-old.  If I remember correctly, he had a couple tough trips in major stake action.  Was a second-string 3yo in his barn (Snyder owned him, right?).

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Sorry the link doesn't work properly, like this. But yeah was brought down here for the interdom last season, and the horse was retired during the last heat.
The other horse Sweet Fame USA, was brought down here as well, but in the heats this series, broke down and its racing career is over.

Sweet Fame USA (all horses that come from USA have it in their names here), probably was the better horse out of the two. Sweet Fame was easily better suited to distance racing, probably why it was far more successful than Cams Fool, even though this year may be Cams Fool USA peak year.
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« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2007, 12:06:28 PM »

Wow -- Cam's Fool has only earned $23k since shipping down there.  What a bust!

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« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2007, 12:46:56 PM »

Wow -- Cam's Fool has only earned $23k since shipping down there.  What a bust!

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They were definetely lining it up for the half million dollar miracle mile a few months ago, but the horse didn't fire. I guess this year will be its "was it really worth it" year. Considering it won a bag full of money in the  flag its looking like more of an expensive trip to Aus. I'm not sure if the horse is still owned by connections in the USA or not. If it is maybe a trip back to America is on the cards, because in Aus theres not much  dollar to be made when your not in the top group of horses.

It was unfortunate with Sweet Fame, i'm not sure when they said the horse is retired if they meant from the interdominions or racing full stop? The horse was starting to prove its  dollar. But like i said in America its talent would of been wasted on the short distances.
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« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2007, 12:51:56 PM »

why would sweet fame's talent be wasted in america in the short races ?
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« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2007, 01:01:46 PM »

why would sweet fame's talent be wasted in america in the short races ?

Its successes here have been in the 2200m race and its big one in a 2680m race. This shows its a staying horse rather than a sprinter.

On the flip side is that Miss Galvinator a decent horse there? What catergory would it be in, eg. top horse, best of the rest, or an average horse?
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Its successes here have been in the 2200m race and its big one in a 2680m race. This shows its a staying horse rather than a sprinter.

On the flip side is that Miss Galvinator a decent horse there? What catergory would it be in, eg. top horse, best of the rest, or an average horse?

she has been doing well in the higher class mare races here. won a bunch in a row I believe.
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For Miss Galvinator A, a 7-year-old Down Under daughter of Fake Left, it was her 13th win in 38 seasonal starts. The '06 stash is over $228,000 for owner Richard Annunziata and trainer Ettore Annunziata.


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she has been doing well in the higher class mare races here. won a bunch in a row I believe.
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Miss Galvinator's sire is Fake left, the two top horses in Aus are of Fake left as well. Seems to be producing the goods here.
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« Reply #58 on: January 09, 2007, 07:10:00 PM »

The racing in the usa is very tough. They go flat to the board from start to finish. I have an Australian fteind here in the US who has trained and driven winners in both countries and says they have to be more of a stayer to race over a mile than over longer distance cause they get a breather over the distance racing and they dont over a mile. Kind of makes sense when u think of it like that
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The racing in the usa is very tough. They go flat to the board from start to finish. I have an Australian fteind here in the US who has trained and driven winners in both countries and says they have to be more of a stayer to race over a mile than over longer distance cause they get a breather over the distance racing and they dont over a mile. Kind of makes sense when u think of it like that

Yeah thats true. here all the top horses can sprint and run distance. When i was talking about staying racing i wasn't talking about specifically the horse, but the actual distance itself. But that is some great information. I bet your mate will never return to Aus, because the condition of racing here. How has he fitted in to racing there?
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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2007, 08:00:55 AM »

Top aussie trotter "A touch of flair" has been invited to the American circut. I'm not sure but is the trotting stage big in America or small like here? The horse will surely win the trotting interdominion on the weekend. The pacers final is too unpredictable with the barrier draw drawing the two favourites in the second row.  trotter trotter          trotter
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« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2007, 10:40:22 AM »

Did anyone one over in the states catch the interdominion pacers and trotters finals. Fantasitic night, every harness racing fans dream to see the best compete. Racing fantastic as well. In the pacers final favourite and last years winner Blakes A Fake trained by Natalie Rassmussen(sp) won a tough race. The trotters final was an upset with a 31-1 horse Uncle Peprica getting up from the favourite A touch of flair. The owner of the winner said that if it won the interdom that it will definetely be sold to an american buyer. So you might have a new import. Best race was the interdominian consulation final. where 5-1 Karloo Mick won a fantastic race, with a 5-6 horse finish at the line. The special thing was that Karloo Mick was 4 wide for 3/4 of the first lap, then 3 wide, finally able to get to the front, then the horse had to fight to the end after doing so much work. You appreciate the win even more when your money is on it as well.

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« Reply #62 on: January 15, 2007, 10:36:14 AM »

This is the last lap of the pacers consalation final (2230m) in the interdominion, these are the horses that just missed out on the finals. Best race of the night. The winner worked so hard, at the start was caught 4 wide, in the middle of the race (2nd lap) was 3 wide, the horse finally made it to the death (over) for the final lap, and somehow held on after working so hard. Everyone was in shock the horse was still able to win.
http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM13010704.wmv

This the trotters final (2645m), where uncle petrika beat odds on favourite A touch of flair (started 20m behind). In the stand start uncle petrika was able to get to the lead, a touch of flair was able to catch up, but when uncle petrika was eyeballed the horse fought back. Uncle Petrika was 31-1 to win this race. http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM13010702.wmv

This is the Grand Final of the interdominion pacers final raced over 2645m. Blacks a fake wins final after taking the sit near the rear, takes the horse to the death during the second time round the winners post. The horse showed why it is the best horse in Australia. http://www.harness.org.au/video/sa/YDM13010701.wmv

I'll later post footage of the crowd from my phone.

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Miss Galvinator A’s streak seemed in jeopardy but she got up in the final stride to post her 11th straight victory in a $35,000 winners-over pace for fillies and mares, the fifth race on Friday night at the Meadowlands.

Miss Galvinator [$5.00, $3.20, $2.20] paced a lifetime best mile of 1:50.3, for a half-length tally over Dreams Are Great [$5.80, $3.40].  It was a length back to Up Front Dragonfly [$2.60], who set the pace and faded to third.
                                                                   
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