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« on: February 03, 2006, 05:21:25 PM »


Whoever didn't see the article on Pat Berry coming back to Chicago, check it out below.  What a tough business this is.  Its why I got out.  And its sad because Pat who will turn 30, thats right the young age of 30, sounds burnt out and beat up.  Can all us old timers on here imagine saying that about the age of 30?

 


Pat Berry returning to Chicago
Friday, February 3, 2006 - from Meadowlands Media Relations
 
Driver Patrick Berry will celebrate his 30th birthday with three drives at the Meadowlands on Saturday night, and then pack his bags and head back to Chicago.

“It's not the worst place in the world to leave, certainly not the worst thing I've ever done,” said a frustrated Berry.  “Everyone has been good to me, and I was given a chance.  It's a nice place to race and live, but right now I haven't been doing any good lately.  I'm keeping the door open for coming back."

Berry’s efforts yielded $143,643 in purse money in January, driving both at Freehold and at the Meadowlands, and he came off his best season of $3,171,002 in 2005 with 324 wins in 3,300 drives.

Each of the last three years, he has improved with $2,653,297 in purses in 2004 and $1,678,860 in 2003.

He also made a dramatic statement one Sunday in February of 2005 when he won with three $60 horses on the same Meadowlands card.

"I did better here last year,” Berry noted.  “If Eric [Ledford] couldn't drive a horse, I'd get it.  I had some horses from Freehold that were live.  But lately, I haven't even been getting checks.  Since November I've been in a slump.  In the past, I'd just drive through them, but I don't see this changing anytime soon here.

"I need to get a foothold somewhere, to go somewhere where I can win races,” he said.  “I have this 'thing' about winning races.  My wife [Shannon] understands and is happy with whatever I do.  She's happy with me coming home.  It's a transitional time for me.  I can drive in Chicago, but there are a lot of short fields there too at Maywood and Balmoral.  Things are uncertain in Chicago right now.  I would like to find a place where I can win races and make money and stick there.

"I may do some construction work with my father,” he added.  “He freelances and trains a few.  Conceivably, I could do both.  I'm happy I made the move here last year.  There are just so many good drivers here at the Meadowlands. 

“I guess it's going to be an unusual birthday for me, and turning 30 isn't easy for me either,” Berry noted.  “It's like, ‘What is there left for me’ kind of thing.  But I'll work it out."
 
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2006, 05:33:35 PM »

I agree, it is a sad article.  I like Pat and he has always come across as a stand-up guy in an industry where many of his similiar aged colleagues consume they're time thinking about how to beat the next drug test or cash a ticket.  I dont care if he has been on a cold streak or not, i hope he sticks it out and continues to represent this industry with integrity.  Don't forget he did sit behind My Boy David in some of his starts last year, so hopefully he can look forward to similiar live stake horses this summer.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2006, 05:38:45 PM »



Berry’s efforts yielded $143,643 in purse money in January, driving both at Freehold and at the Meadowlands.
 


Why is $7,182 a bad months work? That is what Pat made driving in January out there. How many people in this country make $7,182 on their jobs in one month? Most people would be thrilled to make that money each month. I don't think anyone should feel bad for a guy who made $7,182 last month. Wasn't he satisfied with that? It seems like these drivers aren't happy unless they are making millions. I realize that everyone wants to make as much as they can but come on $7,182 is not bad.

    Sounds to me like he's more homesick then broke. When he gets back to Chicago and starts driving for those purses he'll wish he was back out east making that 7k a month.  
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2006, 05:45:37 PM »

I wish Patrick the best!He is a nice person and has given me a bunch of good drives..He will work through whatever he is going through and be back in the mix shortly!Dont give up it will get better!                             flag       
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2006, 06:13:36 PM »

I was thinking the same thing, Dan..PB is in a huge slump AND still earned over 7k for monthly income...lets see what he does in Illinois for a 31 day period....My contacts in the game have nothing but good things to say about PB..I guess he is homesick
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2006, 06:20:05 PM »

Why is $7,182 a bad months work? That is what Pat made driving in January out there. How many people in this country make $7,182 on their jobs in one month? Most people would be thrilled to make that money each month. I don't think anyone should feel bad for a guy who made $7,182 last month. Wasn't he satisfied with that? It seems like these drivers aren't happy unless they are making millions. I realize that everyone wants to make as much as they can but come on $7,182 is not bad.

    Sounds to me like he's more homesick then broke. When he gets back to Chicago and starts driving for those purses he'll wish he was back out east making that 7k a month.  


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C'mon Dan.  The guy is traveling back and forth to Chicago.  Air fare costs $200-$300 each time,
He is paying to live in 2 places (his family in IL and his motel in NJ), he has to pay taxes on the
money--he's not seeing his family on a regular basis.  Take out paying for TWO  places to live,
Airfare back and forth about 8X per month, combined with the fact he doesn't BELIEVE in himself
right now, it's not going to work going up against the TOP drivers in the country and not having
anything even close to the top horses to drive along with his earnings being down 50% from a year ago.
That $7K for the month (gross) is probably about 1K (net) after deducting everything I mentioned.

Pat is young, he'll build his confidence back up here and can head back east in another year or two.
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2006, 12:31:52 AM »

If pat is making over 7k why was he talking about going to help his father in his business for extra cash. I'm sure he has several expenses which we don't know about but thats still a nice income.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2006, 03:48:09 PM »

"I may do some construction work with my father,” he added

80-100k a year isnt enough for this guy?Huh


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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2006, 04:02:57 PM »

I heard through the grapevine that his uncle randy is thinking of making a move east after all this sucess he's had already this year.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2006, 05:52:18 PM »

7,000 thousand a month is a lot of money if you have a normal overhead. But unforseen expenses in the racing business is what gets you. And that 7 grand is not guranteed.

Not knowing what your income will be is what wears you out. These drivers are a lot like salesman if they dont produce they dont eat. It's hard on a wife of a horseman or trainer the ups and downs of the industry destroy you.

Most of these drivers wifes long for a regular life and steady income. Tough Tough life. Sad
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2006, 03:05:47 AM »

Pat is a good guy with a lot of talent. He will do fine in chicago. good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2006, 11:04:20 AM »

DAN is right why would a guy be upset?
ther are so many people in our country who LOVE to make 7G's in a month.
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2006, 04:52:23 PM »

ponyboy that is what he netted was seven thousand not what he made and who want to drive nothing but twnety and thirty to ones every night it amazing how people always forget when a guy is down last year it was pat this pat that now rick dane wont even drive pat kokinos wont let pat drive monterrey even though he won in 150 with her at bal rucker and erv wont even use him he won some races for both guys at hawthorne and at duqouin state fair bal maywood but they wont let him drive at the big m guys like  croghan let hm drive the thirty to ones but wont let him drive the live horse i would leave to its part of the business when someone is haveing a bad go people wont use them just ask sammy when he was hot people used him as soon as he got cold no one would use him and that he is hot people use him again  no one stays loyal anymore
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2006, 10:34:49 AM »

Why is this so sad???
He is making a living, it could be better but it could be a lot worse....
I sounds to me like he thinks he should be doing an awful lot better than he is...
I think he produces pretty much what his talent allows him to produce......
 He is way too aggressive when he should be patient, and vice versa...
It isn't that this guy has gotten a lot of bad breaks and is really talented...
He is an ordinary driver who is trying to make it in the big time and isn't...
He leaves M1 as a 2.3% driver this year... I think he is better than that, but not by much...
I am sure he is a nice guy, but maybe 7K/month is all he is good for, which isn't that bad for most people....
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2006, 10:59:25 AM »

DAN is right why would a guy be upset?
ther are so many people in our country who LOVE to make 7G's in a month.


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Do you understand things like expenses?  Paying double rent for two places to live?
Not seeing your kids because you're racing in another state, paying 35% taxes on the
$7000.?, Spending $1000+/month on Airfare EACH month to get back and forth to
Chicago?  Still sound like alot?  How about paying huge tolls in New York/New Jersey every
time you're going from the Meadlowlands to Freehold to race?   He's not getting the
drives on good horses and it's a vicious circle--few wins--fewer good horses to drive.
Fewer good horses to drive--fewer wins.  He's doing the right thing for himself and
his family right now.   He doesn't have the luxury of an Eric Ledford to be driving ALL
of his dad's hot horses.
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2006, 11:38:21 AM »

            pat berry is doing the right thing coming home .  chances are he will get better drives and he 's not driving against guys like sears ,miller, pierce every race . pat berry has improved but he still is'nt big m material . at the big m he was to eager to win a race and made a lot of bad decisions . he can win his share of races in chicago and be with his family every night . I'm sure that will even help his driving and attitude .                  RTP
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2006, 12:59:29 PM »

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   He's not getting the
drives on good horses and it's a vicious circle--few wins--fewer good horses to drive.
Fewer good horses to drive--fewer wins. 

Hey trotter1- I disagree with you buddy.  Pat is a good guy but he should have stayed at the Big M because good horses are a dime a dozen.  There is enough good horses for everyone being that they are a dime a dozen.  Remember, you said that good horses are a dime a dozen at the Big M so there shoud be plenty to go around, even plenty for Pat to drive too there are so many.  Still feel that way or are you gonna admit to blowing smoke up our asses?
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2006, 01:19:46 PM »

Maybe he should stay in one state.
he don't have to come back here on mondays and tuesdays.
owners want results.horses aren't cheap.!!
he drives a horse five or six starts.no money.
roth puts cambel up and the horse runs off.
dane gave him every chance in the world.
he can't cut it out there!! is a trainer suppose keep useing somebody beacause
they feel sorry for them?feeling sorry doesn't pay the bills.Sorry your horse
didn't race good.but i felt sorry for pat.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2006, 02:56:04 PM »

Hey trotter1- I disagree with you buddy.  Pat is a good guy but he should have stayed at the Big M because good horses are a dime a dozen.  There is enough good horses for everyone being that they are a dime a dozen.  Remember, you said that good horses are a dime a dozen at the Big M so there shoud be plenty to go around, even plenty for Pat to drive too there are so many.  Still feel that way or are you gonna admit to blowing smoke up our asses?
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Funny, I guess if you can't be right about your DREAM of a horse, John Drew, you can try to have my comments fit some other completely different topic.  You're just so darn sensitive aren't you.?  Unfortunately, little man, you've got this one wrong as well.   Fist of all, idiot, with your little DREAM horse my comment was regarding
4 YEAR OLDS at the Meadowlands that are very good.  Remember, idiot?   4 YEAR OLD horses (like your
little DREAMBOAT of a horse).  For the 20th time, idiot, 4 YEAR OLD horses with a lot of potential at the
Meadowlands (like your DREAMBOAT) are a dime a dozen. 

Nothing has changed idiot, sorry--but nice try.

So, idiot, I suppose if Pat Berry stays in NJ and they write races for 4 YEAR OLD (colt/gelding) about 7X per
night, yeah, there would be a LOT of good horses for Berry to drive.  But, my little dreamer of Superheros,
they just don't do that because JOHN DREW is so powerful, he would probably enter EVERY race
(even 7X a night) and just destroy his 4 year old competion, right?

Oh yeah, idiot, the point of the whole matter is that BECAUSE the competiton is so good at the Meadlowlands
(you see, thee of little brain) THAT is why Pat Berry is not doing well.  He's racing up against the BEST horses
(get it--this is where the dime a dozen comment comes in.  As in "there are SO MANY good horses at the
Meadowlands, a good horse is a "dime a dozen" there") 

Maybe after you try to think REAL HARD about this you'll begin to understand the comment.  I won't hold
my breath though......I know how angry you get and how difficult it is to process information for you.

Were you born a bitter, idiot or did it just happen over the years?
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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2006, 03:08:45 PM »

Trotter,

I think you need anger management classes!!!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2006, 03:40:12 PM »

Trotter,

I think you need anger management classes!!!!

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Hey, I guess we all do once in awhile.  By the way, you always seem to post exactly
the same time as your buddy SUPERMAN.   Coincidence?
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2006, 04:27:06 PM »

No Trotter,

I have no idea who superman is and by the way I would not post under two names, that stupid!!!
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2006, 06:30:23 PM »

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Funny, I guess if you can't be right about your DREAM of a horse, John Drew, you can try to have my comments fit some other completely different topic.  You're just so darn sensitive aren't you.?  Unfortunately, little man, you've got this one wrong as well.   Fist of all, idiot, with your little DREAM horse my comment was regarding
4 YEAR OLDS at the Meadowlands that are very good.  Remember, idiot?   4 YEAR OLD horses (like your
little DREAMBOAT of a horse).  For the 20th time, idiot, 4 YEAR OLD horses with a lot of potential at the
Meadowlands (like your DREAMBOAT) are a dime a dozen. 

Nothing has changed idiot, sorry--but nice try.

So, idiot, I suppose if Pat Berry stays in NJ and they write races for 4 YEAR OLD (colt/gelding) about 7X per
night, yeah, there would be a LOT of good horses for Berry to drive.  But, my little dreamer of Superheros,
they just don't do that because JOHN DREW is so powerful, he would probably enter EVERY race
(even 7X a night) and just destroy his 4 year old competion, right?

Oh yeah, idiot, the point of the whole matter is that BECAUSE the competiton is so good at the Meadlowlands
(you see, thee of little brain) THAT is why Pat Berry is not doing well.  He's racing up against the BEST horses
(get it--this is where the dime a dozen comment comes in.  As in "there are SO MANY good horses at the
Meadowlands, a good horse is a "dime a dozen" there") 

Maybe after you try to think REAL HARD about this you'll begin to understand the comment.  I won't hold
my breath though......I know how angry you get and how difficult it is to process information for you.

Were you born a bitter, idiot or did it just happen over the years?


 Trotter your funny!!!
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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2006, 07:02:36 PM »

hey trotter1- why don't you come over to oak brook tonight or maywood tomorrow and call me an idiot to my face big guy.  Then I will have a good reason to smash an ashtray in your *** ugly face tough guy. whats wrong- you don't like getting quoted do you?  All of that big talk is coming right back to bite you on your fat ass you bustout. Just come on over so we can handle this like men and I can knock your fat ass to the floor.

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O.k.  That sounds good, Cape Crusader.  But oh, let's see....with my "*** ugly face" and my "fat ass",
along with being a "bustout" Maywood and Oakbrook won't even let me in!

You can wait outside for me at OakBrook though tonight.  How about after the 10th race at Balmoral?
Sound good?  Oh, don't forget to respond--all the posters are watching...You can wait right outside the Denny's front door just west of the OTB.  You should probably bring
a change of clothes too............just a suggestion.  So.....what's your real name, tough guy?
I dare you to say, tough guy?  Or are you not that tough?
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2006, 07:08:25 PM »

I'm on my way west, Superman
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