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« on: October 24, 2005, 07:38:45 PM »

The bet starts Saturday night.  One of Tony's last chances to cash at Crimoral.  Should be a hoot.  TC
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2005, 10:07:22 PM »

CALLING SN............CALLING SN............CALLING SN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2005, 10:11:53 PM »

.10 Supers!!!! I'm here!!!! did somebody say .10 supers?Huh??
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 08:29:02 AM »

BTW, any .10 super fans can thank Mike Antoniades for the ability to play.  He pushed for the bet with management, had all the facts and figures to back him up, and got some of the most set in their ways, non-forward thinkers to implement change.  Plus, no sharing those bets with the bigest bettor in town - because he's leaving.  Score one for the players.  TC
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2005, 02:39:28 PM »

BTW, any .10 super fans can thank Mike Antoniades for the ability to play.  He pushed for the bet with management, had all the facts and figures to back him up, and got some of the most set in their ways, non-forward thinkers to implement change.  Plus, no sharing those bets with the bigest bettor in town - because he's leaving.  Score one for the players.  TC
     T C     are you sure it was mike ? he has told me several times he is against 10 cent wagers . he said 12 horse fields and up the bet is ok . who knows maybe he changed his mind .      RTP
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2005, 03:40:26 PM »

Good question, Phil.  I don't know how often or when last you spoke to Mike, but he told me Saturday at Balmoral.  I know he may have been against the play in the past, but he's been conducting straw polls at the track for awhile now.  I recommended a quote from the mutuels manager at INDY saying the bet was a "home run" for his track.  I'm sure Mike did all the dilligent research.  The bet is being implemented at Balmoral only, but both tracks will start the super carryover this week, I believe.  I probably see Mike 30 weeks a year, well before the live card at Balmoral starts, before work and live distractions take precedence.  The reality of the popularity of the bet at other tracks, along with getting the jump on the Big M and WEG on the wager, made it a "go" here.  People responded at Hawthorne, so Balmoral is following suit.  TC
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 04:01:29 PM »

            T C  I  do    talk to mike often , and actually he said that only me and him dont like the bet for harness racing . he said maybe were nuts or something , cause we both think down the road the bet will make more bettors bet less money and that the pools will never grow like they use to be ! we both agreed that new bettors will get off betting cheap and thats the way they will bet forever . but if thats what makes bettors happy today . so be it ! and dont get me wrong , I know how to take advantage of the bet and make money with it . and I'm sure others can do the same . thats why SN likes the bet . as much as I dont approve of the bet for the future of racing , I will take advantage when the right race appears . so anyways if it makes the bettors happy today and coming to the track it cant be too bad . but as I said before the racetrack survives on big bettors the majority of the pools are wagered by the same big players and hopefully we dont lose their action in the future . as usual just my opinion .               RTP
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 04:11:49 PM »

Good call, Phil.  If the handle in the super pool goes up, I'm for the wager.  It also represents a great hedging tool to "buy" certain races where the favorite has no chance IMO.  I don't want to share a big super with a number player or quick-pick .10 bettor either.  That is the dark side of the bet.  The upside is not liking a particular horse to "reach", then getting bailed out for nice money when an "all" is in the right place for a few tickets.  Avoiding IRS liability is a tremendous help because the super must pay $12,000 for $2 to sign for .10, and this is definitely in the player's favor.  TC
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 04:38:23 PM »

Let's see who takes down the most .10 supers. When I can get the programs ahead of time I'll post all my .10 super bets on the forum. Who will be the .10 super king and RUIN the pools for the $1 and #2 super bettors. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 04:41:33 PM »

Good call, Phil.  If the handle in the super pool goes up, I'm for the wager.  It also represents a great hedging tool to "buy" certain races where the favorite has no chance IMO.  I don't want to share a big super with a number player or quick-pick .10 bettor either.  That is the dark side of the bet.  The upside is not liking a particular horse to "reach", then getting bailed out for nice money when an "all" is in the right place for a few tickets.  Avoiding IRS liability is a tremendous help because the super must pay $12,000 for $2 to sign for .10, and this is definitely in the player's favor.  TC

Great analysis, TC.

The bet itself doesn't matter to me, as I don't play supers -- I do, however, want the most eyes and dollars pumped into the product.  I'm a little concerned on the negative effect that this bet may have on the big players -- and therefore, the pools.  It'll be interesting to watch.

I, like Mike, want to see one or two 12 horse field put up a night.  Make the race Tri or Super ONLY (no other gimmicks), and guarantee a big pool...it would be fun to shoot at a potental $100k pool.

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2005, 06:30:00 PM »

Good Luck seeing those 12 horse fields, Magee hates trailers and he is the "Dean" (no pun intended) now that Tony is shuffling out.  The big bettors will be fine.  The super pools are supposed to rise, and the 1st time a large bettor hits the entire pool on a .10 bet, they'll love it.  Everyone thinks these $120,000 supers are hit by lucky goofs and that's not true.  Plus, the supers are going to have carryovers, so the X-X-X-ALL is a thing of the past as far as the pool paying out.  We shall see this w/e if the bet gets big play or not.  TC
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2005, 07:37:12 PM »

Good Luck seeing those 12 horse fields, Magee hates trailers and he is the "Dean" (no pun intended) now that Tony is shuffling out.  The big bettors will be fine.  The super pools are supposed to rise, and the 1st time a large bettor hits the entire pool on a .10 bet, they'll love it.  Everyone thinks these $120,000 supers are hit by lucky goofs and that's not true.  Plus, the supers are going to have carryovers, so the X-X-X-ALL is a thing of the past as far as the pool paying out.  We shall see this w/e if the bet gets big play or not.  TC

There's a quote that Mike A. uses, and it's perfect in this situation...

Bill France (the President of NASCAR), built the sport from nothing to a multi-billion dollar enterprise.  If you know about the sport, they have "restrictor plates" on the engines on the big tracks, to limit the speed of the cars.  This creates huge packs of cars, because no one is clearly better than anyone else.

This racing is VERY exciting, but also pretty dangerous because the packs of cars create pileups.

At one time, the drivers were complaining to France because they didn't want to race in these unsafe packs -- and he said, "you hear those cheers -- they want to see the good racing -- if you have a problem with it, don't race..."

Trailers are NO different.  There's no reason at all that you couldn't race 12 horses at Balmoral.  A smart management team would just card the races and make it happen.  With the right purse bonuses, the horsemen would be foolish to not participate.

It's all about generating excitement, and creating bets and wagers that other tracks cannot match.  Two 12 horse fields each night, one with a tri only and the other with a super only, would be excellent.  These pools could be guaranteed at 100k, perhaps with a carryover to the next 12 horse race if not hit.

Something needs to be done.  The beautiful part about harness racing as a business is that you get INSTANT feedback when you try a wager.  You know right away whether or not it works -- and can change accordingly.  There's so many things that could be tried -- because let's face it...things are going downhill.

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2005, 11:26:26 PM »

EW:
No way in hell the pools are coming close enough to 100,000 for the track to guarantee that amount. I just checked the Saturday super pools at Balmoral in September and October, and the largest was only about 40K, with that coming on Super night in the Orange and Blue. Otherwise the pools were typically in the teens to 20.

Remember, a 6 horse super box on a .10 bet costs a whopping $36. How are you getting near enough to $100 K adding those types of tickets to the pool? The track has to be reasonably confident that they can equal or exceed the guarantee before offering it.

As far as 12 horse fields are concerned, it's not likely the horsemen will agree to it, based on what I've seen in other states. We don't like it for safety reasons and we don't like it because it reduces the chance of earning a purse check.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2005, 12:40:52 AM »

EW:
No way in hell the pools are coming close enough to 100,000 for the track to guarantee that amount. I just checked the Saturday super pools at Balmoral in September and October, and the largest was only about 40K, with that coming on Super night in the Orange and Blue. Otherwise the pools were typically in the teens to 20.

Remember, a 6 horse super box on a .10 bet costs a whopping $36. How are you getting near enough to $100 K adding those types of tickets to the pool? The track has to be reasonably confident that they can equal or exceed the guarantee before offering it.

As far as 12 horse fields are concerned, it's not likely the horsemen will agree to it, based on what I've seen in other states. We don't like it for safety reasons and we don't like it because it reduces the chance of earning a purse check.

The key is that you would ONLY take tri or super wagering on the race -- and no other gimmick.

There's commonly 40-60k tri pools when California is betting our signal.  With a 12 horse field, and without exactas or supers to siphon money away, a 100k pool is very likely.  The super may have to be lower, if .10 bets were taken.  If it were a $1 minimum, it's possible that they could get there.

Bottom line: I would hope to hell that they could get the horsemen to agree to one 12 horse field a week, especially with a slightly enhanced purse structure (up it 20% or so).

The tracks need to make changes right now -- shake things up.  The 12 horse tri has been done in the past here, and it was a HUGE success.  They should try to rekindle the flame.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2005, 01:03:19 PM »

The bottom line is that Hawthorne was the track that originated the 10 cent superfecta in
Chicagoland was the first harness track to introduce it. It only took the brain surgeons at Balmoral
5 months to catch on.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2005, 01:20:01 PM »

The bottom line is that Hawthorne was the track that originated the 10 cent superfecta in
Chicagoland was the first harness track to introduce it. It only took the brain surgeons at Balmoral
5 months to catch on.

Remember, Hawthorne is the ONLY REAL racetrack for BIG LEAGUE harness racing in Chicago. Balmoral and Maywood are in the minor leagues and always will be. Who in their right mind would want to travel to the boondocks to attend live harness racing? If it weren't for simulcasting and intertrack wagering and OTB's Balmoral would be out of business.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2005, 02:33:20 PM »

The bottom line is that Hawthorne was the track that originated the 10 cent superfecta in
Chicagoland was the first harness track to introduce it. It only took the brain surgeons at Balmoral
5 months to catch on.

The 'bottom line' is that Joe Scurto is the one who first marketed the concept of the .10 super here in Chicago. He was formerly some kind of marketing exec with Intertrack Partners (who run the OTB consisting of the Johnston's/Steinbrenner, Carey's & Bidwell's) before recently being hired with a marketing position at Hawthorne Racecourse. He loves harness racing as he currently has a few horses trained by McCaffrey on the local circuit.

Your idea that it took the people at Balmoral 5 months to catch on IMO is a little farfetched. It was a business move than anything that took a little time and looked to be more of a strategic plan. The .10 super was approved by the IRB a while ago. All of this needed to be set up with the tote companies as well so there's a lot more behind the scenes that needs to go on more than the simple 'OK we take .10 bets now'.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2005, 03:51:13 PM »

Does anyone know if they'll be doing the supers every race like Hawthorne did?
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2005, 05:33:11 PM »

Does anyone know if they'll be doing the supers every race like Hawthorne did?

they should. its a general rule when .10 supers are on the card. every track i've seen with .10 supers, has them every race that there are at least 6 or 7 horses. whatever the minimum is.
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2005, 05:41:00 PM »

Does anyone know if they'll be doing the supers every race like Hawthorne did?

God I hope not.

The only thing I didn't like about the Hawthorne meet was that they watered down their pools by offering too many darn gimmicks...had 8-9 supers, tris on all, two pick fours, and 7-8 rolling pick 3s.  Waay too many pools.  Keep in simple, and give the gamblers chances to hit on BIG pools.

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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2005, 05:51:22 PM »

They won't have supers in every race with carryovers because IMO, they want overnight buzz about the carryover and with 10 or 12 supers a night, carryovers would be less likely.  TC
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2005, 05:54:13 PM »

They won't have supers in every race with carryovers because IMO, they want overnight buzz about the carryover and with 10 or 12 supers a night, carryovers would be less likely.  TC

Do you actually think there will BE carryovers with the 10 cent bet?  You don't see too many ALL tickets when you can run the table for cheap...

Maybe they should consider making the "carryover super" a dollar only bet and have one per night?

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2005, 06:15:42 PM »

The "hot" wagers now are Pick 4s and .10 supers.  We need to streamline the total amounts and types of wagers, as you said EW, but these 2 bets are where fan interest is greatest.  Just for the record, A $1 min. Pick 6 is being looked into at Balmoral.  Feel free to comment on that possible wager.  TC
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2005, 06:22:57 PM »

The "hot" wagers now are Pick 4s and .10 supers.  We need to streamline the total amounts and types of wagers, as you said EW, but these 2 bets are where fan interest is greatest.  Just for the record, A $1 min. Pick 6 is being looked into at Balmoral.  Feel free to comment on that possible wager.  TC

I wish they'd follow the Big M's lead and have a low take pick 4.  Could be the best bet in harness racing with the 15%.

I would agree that the .10 supers are dominating the mind of bettors, and on two fronts: Joe Q. Public can now box to his hearts content for cheap, and sharp cappers can ditch the tax ramifications of a nice hit.

I agree completely with, however, in that the key is making sure not to perform attrition on the pools by overkill.  By building the card correctly, with full fields in these races (super and pick 4), and also trying to get California on for at least the pick 4 -- forward strides can be made.

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2005, 06:29:35 PM »

OH, I forgot that the Bal-Cal is scheduled to make a comeback - but perhaps midweek due to Autotote software problems and such.  They can't schedule the thing earlier in the card right now and the track wants lots of players, so the bet is being placed on hold.  TC
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2005, 06:33:02 PM »

there will be no carryovers on the 10cent supers IMO...every one of them will be hit....if there is one....maybe an average of 1 every 2 months.....just my guess....
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2005, 06:48:23 PM »

OH, I forgot that the Bal-Cal is scheduled to make a comeback - but perhaps midweek due to Autotote software problems and such.  They can't schedule the thing earlier in the card right now and the track wants lots of players, so the bet is being placed on hold.  TC

I'll see if I can get some more information on this from the California front.  I was never a big fan of the wager, however -- and if I remember correctly, they were never even close to the guarantee, right?

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2005, 05:22:55 PM »

It's official......
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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2005, 05:33:35 PM »

Now poor Tom Kelley is gloating that Bal invented the dime bet.  Oye Vay, I hope he's not talking about the Pick 9 that gets about $100 in play on a Saturday night.  Just another goof organization behind the times trying to put a positive spin on their failures.  Tc
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They had it listed on the feed all week -- no surprises.

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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2005, 05:35:55 PM »

Now poor Tom Kelley is gloating that Bal invented the dime bet.  Oye Vay, I hope he's not talking about the Pick 9 that gets about $100 in play on a Saturday night.  Just another goof organization behind the times trying to put a positive spin on their failures.  Tc

TC, give credit where it's due -- they put the dime increment up first.

Seriously, I can't believe that they are going to have EIGHT supers -- thanks Balmoral for killing my Exacta and Tri pools!  Time to start running numbers for Woodbine, I guess.   Undecided

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2005, 05:47:26 PM »

EW, I don't mind you sticking up for your 3rd floor pals, but the Pick 9 is and will always be a laughingstock.  They were behind Hawthorne on this .10 super bet and it stings them.  If Mike Antoniades didn't lobby for it, the wager would still be on the shelf at Gestapoland.  Are they really commited to 8 supers a night now ?  I wasn't sure what the fimal increase was going to be.  Don't bother with Woodbine, the circuit is too tough if you don't know the "farm players" and those changes aren't in a program anywhere -LOL.  Tough track to be right at without "help". JMO TC
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« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2005, 05:54:04 PM »

Another major scoop TC, or whatever you call yourself.
Unknown changes occurring at Woodbine??
Farm players influence race outcomes at Woodbine?HuhHuh
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!
Tell us more our "esteemed gossip queen".
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« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2005, 05:57:08 PM »

F U TW.  Enjoy being exposed because you're finished.
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« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2005, 06:06:43 PM »

Come on TC, Stop beating a DEAD HORSE!

Dead Horse

The tribal wisdom of the North American standardbred horsemen, passed on from one generation to the next, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to slide your tushee slowly off the seat while holding the lines in one hand.

But in modern management (and organisations and government); because of the heavy investment of time, money and energy which has gone into the establishment and maintenance of these critters; other strategies are often tried with these DEAD HORSES, including the following:

1. Buying a bigger, stronger whip.
2. Changing drivers.
3. Threatening the horse with policy termination.
4. Appointing various mental health committees to study the horse.
5. Arranging to visit other jurisdictions to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
7. Reclassifying the dead horse as "living-impaired."
8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
9. Harnessing two or more dead horses in a sulky together to increase speed.
10. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance.
11. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter drivers would improve the dead horse's performance.
12. Declaring that the dead horse carries lower overhead and therefore contributes more to the bottom line then younger, more vigorous horses.
13. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.

And, as a final strategy:
14. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position on a dead website such as trackslew.com.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2005, 06:23:41 PM »

Come on TC, Stop beating a DEAD HORSE!

Dead Horse

The tribal wisdom of the North American standardbred horsemen, passed on from one generation to the next, says that when you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to slide your tushee slowly off the seat while holding the lines in one hand.

But in modern management (and organisations and government); because of the heavy investment of time, money and energy which has gone into the establishment and maintenance of these critters; other strategies are often tried with these DEAD HORSES, including the following:

1. Buying a bigger, stronger whip.
2. Changing drivers.
3. Threatening the horse with policy termination.
4. Appointing various mental health committees to study the horse.
5. Arranging to visit other jurisdictions to see how they ride dead horses.
6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.
7. Reclassifying the dead horse as "living-impaired."
8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.
9. Harnessing two or more dead horses in a sulky together to increase speed.
10. Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance.
11. Doing a productivity study to see if lighter drivers would improve the dead horse's performance.
12. Declaring that the dead horse carries lower overhead and therefore contributes more to the bottom line then younger, more vigorous horses.
13. Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.

And, as a final strategy:
14. Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position on a dead website such as trackslew.com.
OK, another post qualifies for "POST OF THE MONTH - OCTOBER 2005".  Well done, emp.  TC
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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2005, 06:24:18 PM »

Another TC( or whatever he calls himself) exclusive!!!!!!!!
He has exposed me as TW!!!!!!!!!!
More falsehoods from TC the "esteemed gossip queen" of the forum.
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2005, 06:27:54 PM »

Another TC( or whatever he calls himself) exclusive!!!!!!!!
He has exposed me as TW!!!!!!!!!!
More falsehoods from TC the "esteemed gossip queen" of the forum.
OTAY, as Buckwheat would say.  give up on yet more frauds my lost friend.  LOL TC
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2005, 06:30:35 PM »

Burt asked his friend Ernie if he wanted some ice cream.
Ernie said: "Sherbert!"
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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2005, 06:30:41 PM »

Another TC( or whatever he calls himself) exclusive!!!!!!!!
He has exposed me as TW!!!!!!!!!!
More falsehoods from TC the "esteemed gossip queen" of the forum.

Tom
         Is that what you were tought...DENY....DENY. You should have used that in the fraud case at the hearing you missed.  
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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2005, 06:32:25 PM »

TC( or whatever you call yourself) I do find your posts amusing but don't you feel silly communicating with me as if I were TW or whoever the ***'s say I am, when I am none of the above?
The more arrogant and sure of yourself you come off, the dumber you look.
Too bad you don't play Maywood.
Good handicappers can find some decent plays out there.
Good Luck!

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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2005, 06:34:13 PM »

Stick to politics please gentlemen.

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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2005, 06:35:37 PM »

TC( or whatever you call yourself) I do find your posts amusing but don't you feel silly communicating with me as if I were TW or whoever the ***'s say I am, when I am none of the above?
The more arrogant and sure of yourself you come off, the dumber you look.
Too bad you don't play Maywood.
Good handicappers can find some decent plays out there.
Good Luck!

Yours Truly,

Not Tom Wendt
Funny how Tom loves Maywood and said that very same thing to me months ago.  Great mind thinking alike ( note the singular "mind").  Enjoy Ratwood, Mr. Thomas Burton Wendt.  TC
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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2005, 06:41:05 PM »

EW, I don't mind you sticking up for your 3rd floor pals, but the Pick 9 is and will always be a laughingstock.  They were behind Hawthorne on this .10 super bet and it stings them.  If Mike Antoniades didn't lobby for it, the wager would still be on the shelf at Gestapoland.  Are they really commited to 8 supers a night now ?  I wasn't sure what the fimal increase was going to be.  Don't bother with Woodbine, the circuit is too tough if you don't know the "farm players" and those changes aren't in a program anywhere -LOL.  Tough track to be right at without "help". JMO TC

The Pick 9 is undoubtedly a joke.  If they really cared, they would put up some sort of guarantee (obviously not as high as the previous 10k try -- but something).

But, they were the first track in America to use the dime metric.  Too bad they didn't follow it into the Super -- they could've been easily first on that front, since the groundwork was already there...

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2005, 06:42:36 PM »

heard the middle initial is "R" as in RAT
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« Reply #45 on: October 28, 2005, 07:09:26 PM »

         I think that management should go to the horsemen and offer a higher purse and go to the 12 horse super for a dime. I thought the results at old Sportsmans was great, and that was with 3 trailers, not just 2. I also believe that the pick 9 should be a place bet, and jack the price to a quarter. Track management has to find NEW ways of increasing handle and interest in their
less talented product. Before, you looked forward to the Saturday nite invite with Song Cycle,
Timelys Best Man, Rambling Willie and those, However you don't have that nowadays, so to
create more excitement it is only natural to cretae a possibility of a bigger than average score

        Now will the tracks respond? I highly doubt it and that is what sucks. In almost any other business, ownership not only requests input from its clients, but relishes the responses it gets
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« Reply #46 on: October 28, 2005, 07:28:56 PM »

heard the middle initial is "R" as in RAT

Nothing like a unemployed wanna-be journalist taking cheap shots...  Just another day in the life at the best harness forum in America.

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« Reply #47 on: October 28, 2005, 07:30:10 PM »

         I think that management should go to the horsemen and offer a higher purse and go to the 12 horse super for a dime. I thought the results at old Sportsmans was great, and that was with 3 trailers, not just 2. I also believe that the pick 9 should be a place bet, and jack the price to a quarter. Track management has to find NEW ways of increasing handle and interest in their
less talented product. Before, you looked forward to the Saturday nite invite with Song Cycle,
Timelys Best Man, Rambling Willie and those, However you don't have that nowadays, so to
create more excitement it is only natural to cretae a possibility of a bigger than average score

        Now will the tracks respond? I highly doubt it and that is what sucks. In almost any other business, ownership not only requests input from its clients, but relishes the responses it gets


You've got the right idea.

The beautiful part about the industry is that they can EASILY test things -- because the pool numbers provide instant feedback.  Why they don't take more chances is beyond me.

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« Reply #48 on: October 28, 2005, 07:38:23 PM »

Nothing like a unemployed wanna-be journalist taking cheap shots...  Just another day in the life at the best harness forum in America.

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EW, I'll make you a deal.  If you know any trolls and convince them go give up the ghost, I'll guarantee you that everyone will be nice toward you and your friends.  You have nothing to prove to me or Dan and are an esteemed member of this forum.  I'd find it hard to believe that you'd be caught up in trolling because you're one smart cookie.  We go nuts when the trolls play their b.s. games and they start all the downhill slides this forum experiences.  Good luck in your endeavors. TC
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« Reply #49 on: October 28, 2005, 07:42:50 PM »

Wow TC (or whatever you call yourself)
What an honor you bestow on ew.
Your royal highness, please, please make me a member of your esteemed forum.
Please my royal gossip queen?HuhHuh
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« Reply #50 on: October 28, 2005, 07:47:45 PM »

EW, I'll make you a deal.  If you know any trolls and convince them go give up the ghost, I'll guarantee you that everyone will be nice toward you and your friends.  You have nothing to prove to me or Dan and are an esteemed member of this forum.  I'd find it hard to believe that you'd be caught up in trolling because you're one smart cookie.  We go nuts when the trolls play their b.s. games and they start all the downhill slides this forum experiences.  Good luck in your endeavors. TC

That's for the nice comments, TC.  You're a smart feller as well.

Obviously (at least to me), I don't troll.  To my knowledge (and after all, you never know), I don't know any current trolls.  I am fairly certain I knew one on the old board -- but he was not close to me.

I would love nothing more than to rid this board of trolls.  I nearly certain that it's not possible (without heavy editing -- which obviously doesn't work without killing a board), however, so I'm not going to concern myself with it...

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« Reply #51 on: October 28, 2005, 07:54:55 PM »

Wow TC (or whatever you call yourself)
What an honor you bestow on ew.
Your royal highness, please, please make me a member of your esteemed forum.
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Stop dude, you're making yourself look really silly now.  You are more closed than a fake insurance policy.  TC
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« Reply #52 on: October 28, 2005, 08:03:01 PM »

A former insurance salesman walks into an insurance office and asks for a job. "We don't need anyone," they replied.

"You can't afford not to hire me. I can sell anyone, anytime, anything."

"Well we have two prospects that no one has been able to sell. If you can sell just one, you have a job." He was gone about two hours, and returned and handed them two checks - one for $25,000.00 and another for $50,000.00.

"How in the world did you do that?" they asked.

"I told you I'm the worlds best salesman. I can sell anyone, anywhere, anytime!"

"Did you get a urine sample?" they asked him.

"What's that?" he asked.

"Well, if you sell a policy over $20,000.00 the company requires a urine sample. Take these two bottles and go back and get urine samples."

The former insurance salesman was gone about six hours and they were fixing to close when in he walks in with two five gallon buckets, one in each hand. He sets the buckets down, and reaches in his shirt pocket and produces two bottles of urine, and sets them on the desk and says, "Here's Mr. Brown's and this one is Mr. White's."

"That's good," they said, "but what's in those two buckets?"

"Well, I passed by the Holiday Inn in Matteson, Illinois, and they were having a horsemen's meeting, so I stopped and sold them a group policy!"
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