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Question: Should we drill in Alaska?  (Voting closed: June 18, 2008, 07:01:07 AM)
NO Never Save the wildlife - 2 (6.9%)
Yes Be Careful - 9 (31%)
Start Today - 12 (41.4%)
I am tired of getting taken at the pump DRILL! - 6 (20.7%)
No I like sending my cash elsewhere - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 25

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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2008, 03:23:54 PM »

I'll bet you're a nervous sort of guy Wink
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2008, 06:03:07 PM »

first off i am not columbus and did not seek this discovery. it was right on the front page of YAHOO.

off topic:  just like the banks says " FDIC INSURED ". if the country goes broke or should i say a financial collapse occurs. do you think your money is safe?


Pacinfool:

Anything is possible, but on a scale of 1 to 100.

1='s it is not going to take place.

100=' s it's already started.

You are at 2 maybe 3.

Lighten up, your going to drive yourself crazy.

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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2008, 06:45:17 PM »

Good evening friends.  I have been away on vacation, on an island just off the west coast of Florida.  You have to take a boat to get there - no cars, no gas (prices), no restaurants and only about 200 houses.  No street lights - in fact, no streets - just paths for golf carts.  Yes, there is electricity, A/C, Direct TV, but mainly beaches, birds, dolphins, beautiful sunsets - nature at it's very best.

Now let's get to ANWR & start drilling before it gets any later.  Get into those mines & produce that coal.  And nuclear plants - we need more of those!  We need to get our heads out of our butts & work on energy independence NOW.  Yes, it will take some time but that's a lousy excuse.  I'm willing to trade in my Expedition & pay those gas prices for a few more years but we have HAVE GOT TO DO THIS NOW!

And please, will you guys stop writing "Anwar" - this is not about Sadat.  It is ANWR - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2008, 08:59:07 PM »

Pacinfool:

Anything is possible, but on a scale of 1 to 100.

1='s it is not going to take place.

100=' s it's already started.

You are at 2 maybe 3.

Lighten up, your going to drive yourself crazy.

Kenneth J. Chadwick

you are so right  dude

i hope i'm wrong for everyones sake. and i hope you are right.

sorry i can't discuss this further but, i have to race one of my horses.   trotter trotter trotter trotter trotter trotter
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« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2008, 09:01:20 PM »

This chart is worth watching http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/US/68

I do not trade currencies, but from purely a technical view, the US dollar looks like it may be poised to break thru a stubborn resistance barrier soon of 74. If it does (and it did puncture that barrier today, before easing back a notch), we may see oil futures turn bearish for the first time in about 7 months.  If that happens, many will go long the dollar and short oil.  

Lots of  "Ifs".  Will be watching.
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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2008, 11:05:15 PM »

Good evening friends.  I have been away on vacation, on an island just off the west coast of Florida.  You have to take a boat to get there - no cars, no gas (prices), no restaurants and only about 200 houses.  No street lights - in fact, no streets - just paths for golf carts.  Yes, there is electricity, A/C, Direct TV, but mainly beaches, birds, dolphins, beautiful sunsets - nature at it's very best.

Now let's get to ANWR & start drilling before it gets any later.  Get into those mines & produce that coal.  And nuclear plants - we need more of those!  We need to get our heads out of our butts & work on energy independence NOW.  Yes, it will take some time but that's a lousy excuse.  I'm willing to trade in my Expedition & pay those gas prices for a few more years but we have HAVE GOT TO DO THIS NOW!

And please, will you guys stop writing "Anwar" - this is not about Sadat.  It is ANWR - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.


It has always been about Sadat
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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2008, 11:30:05 PM »

Good evening friends.  I have been away on vacation, on an island just off the west coast of Florida.  You have to take a boat to get there - no cars, no gas (prices), no restaurants and only about 200 houses.  No street lights - in fact, no streets - just paths for golf carts.  Yes, there is electricity, A/C, Direct TV, but mainly beaches, birds, dolphins, beautiful sunsets - nature at it's very best.

Sounds like a great place to construct a coal fired power plant.
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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2008, 06:20:38 AM »

What are my thoughts on drilling in Alaska? Do it Today! We want to drill on 1700 acres of about 17 million. If it means we get more oil do it. I'm tired of all the environmentalist anyway!
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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2008, 08:20:37 AM »

This chart is worth watching http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/US/68

I do not trade currencies, but from purely a technical view, the US dollar looks like it may be poised to break thru a stubborn resistance barrier soon of 74. If it does (and it did puncture that barrier today, before easing back a notch), we may see oil futures turn bearish for the first time in about 7 months.  If that happens, many will go long the dollar and short oil.  

Lots of  "Ifs".  Will be watching.

i punched up the monthly chart. it has been ugly for the past 6 years. almost the same amount of time we have been occupied in iraq.

sometimes the bigger picture shows how bad it really is. odds are it should turn around but, no guarantee that's for sure.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2008, 12:18:34 PM »

What are my thoughts on drilling in Alaska? Do it Today! We want to drill on 1700 acres of about 17 million. If it means we get more oil do it. I'm tired of all the environmentalist anyway!

This is the latest spin from the NeoCons. Of course they don't say that there will be thousands of acres of roads built, ancillary buildings, etc, etc.

Show us some information on this 1700 out of 17 million, please.
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2008, 12:22:48 PM »

The 2,000-acre limitation only addresses "surface acreage covered by production and support facilities." In other words, it only includes the area where oil facilities actually touch the ground. Using Rep. Sununu's math, the 37 miles of pipeline at the Alpine oil field west of Prudhoe Bay would take up less than one-quarter of an acre of the Arctic Refuge coastal plain - where the pipelines' 12-inch-diameter posts hit the tundra. [7] The limitation also would not cover land excavated to bury pipelines.

According to the U.S. Geological Survey, oil in the refuge is not concentrated in one large reservoir within a 2,000-acre area but is spread across its 1.5-million-acre coastal plain in more than 30 small deposits. [1] To produce oil from this vast area, supporting infrastructure would have to stretch across the coastal plain. Networks of pipelines and roads obviously would fragment wildlife habitat.

The 2,000-acre limitation would not include gravel mines or roads. The House's limitation would allow for 20 oil fields the size of the 100-acre Alpine oilfield west of Prudhoe Bay, which required a 150-acre gravel mine and 3 miles of roads. More roads are planned. [Cool Meanwhile, oil companies in the North Slope oil fields excavated gravel from mines that stretched over 2,000 acres, and then covered 10,000 acres of tundra with gravel for roads, drilling pads and building foundations. [9]

Even if the 2,000 acres were contiguous, such an area could cover a lot of ground. For example, the 12-lane-wide New Jersey Turnpike, which stretches more than 100 miles across the state, covers only 1,773 acres.

The 2,000-acre limitation would not cover seismic or other exploration activities, which have significantly degraded the arctic environment west of the coastal plain. The oil industry conducts seismic activities with convoys of bulldozers and "thumper trucks," which drive over extensive areas of the tundra. Meanwhile, exploratory oil drilling would require moving heavy equipment, including large rigs, across the tundra. Exploration and production wells could be drilled anywhere on the entire 1.5 million-acre coastal plain.



All of this so that the Religious Right, who believe the Rapture is coming and don't give a hoot about the environment, can drive their Hummers up to Heaven.

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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2008, 12:26:54 PM »

And what harm has the EPA done to business, BTW? It seems like there is more business activity due to the EPA, AND the air is cleaner, the water is cleaner, the whole Earth is cleaner. I think we should make the EPA TWICE as strong, we could have a pristine Earth and better business.

But, sadly, the Far Right is defeatist and don't believe America can do this. Just like their defeatist attitude toward universal health care. Why can't the strongest country in the world insure all their people when dink little countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway can? It's just defeatism on the part of Far Right.
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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2008, 12:29:32 PM »

The Far Right never admits they made a mistake, either. It was mistake to build and buy and give government subsidies to Hummers and other SUVs. It was mistake to not increase the CAFE standards for cars.
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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2008, 09:40:36 PM »

And what harm has the EPA done to business, BTW? It seems like there is more business activity due to the EPA, AND the air is cleaner, the water is cleaner, the whole Earth is cleaner. I think we should make the EPA TWICE as strong, we could have a pristine Earth and better business.

But, sadly, the Far Right is defeatist and don't believe America can do this. Just like their defeatist attitude toward universal health care. Why can't the strongest country in the world insure all their people when dink little countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway can? It's just defeatism on the part of Far Right.

My girlfriend who lives in Denmark was diagnosed with cancer several years ago. If she would have stayed in their health care umbrella the soonest she could get in to start treatment was 8 months after being diagnosed, not the kind of health care I want!! Luckily for her, her parents could afford doctors and she was able to get in and have treatment and she is fine today.
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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2008, 09:46:27 PM »

My girlfriend who lives in Denmark was diagnosed with cancer several years ago. If she would have stayed in their health care umbrella the soonest she could get in to start treatment was 8 months after being diagnosed, not the kind of health care I want!! Luckily for her, her parents could afford doctors and she was able to get in and have treatment and she is fine today.

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The Lefties don't believe that will happen in the USA.

Unfortunately that will happened.

There is nothing like the free enterprise system.


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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2008, 09:54:24 PM »

My girlfriend who lives in Denmark was diagnosed with cancer several years ago. If she would have stayed in their health care umbrella the soonest she could get in to start treatment was 8 months after being diagnosed, not the kind of health care I want!! Luckily for her, her parents could afford doctors and she was able to get in and have treatment and she is fine today.

Why is always anecdotal stories? Every time, it's always "My cousin in Canada", etc. Do have any information that the Danes are unhappy with their health insurance?

Don't forget, there are 40 MILLION people in the US who are unhappy with the health care system here, primarily because they don't GET any health care. That's a lot of anecdotal stories that could be mentioned.

Nobody said it was perfect. But it's another example of the defeatism of the Far Right. We're the greatest in the world (except for that Iraq thing and the deficit). Why can't the greatest country in the world have a health care system that covers EVERYONE, like the dink countries of Norway, Sweden, Denmark? Geez, CANADA has universal health care. DEFEATISM! Or is it just GREED?

Also, was your girlfriend a Danish citizen? or just living in Denmark?
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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2008, 10:02:19 PM »

Hey Moon:

When you can't get your life saving surgery, just think of me.

I am one of those guys who pays his own way and not waiting the Barack, The Socialist, to bail me out.

Moon, what Chicago South Side High School did you go to??

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2008, 10:15:07 PM »

Now I'm starting to think that "South Side High School" thing is a bit racist? Why would you bring it up twice? Like I said in the other thread, almost all my schooling was in private schools, not that it matters to this discussion.

It was YOU, remember, who tried to slam Obama by saying he didn't learn enough at Columbia. And yet, you went to the GREAT LOYOLA of CHICAGO. Just so you know, in the greater world, Columbia is a LOT better school than Loyola. Of course, Obama also graduated from Harvard with a magna cum laude, so he's probably smart to figure out something like accounting.

Again, you call Obama a "Socialist", but you don't show any evidence of it, except that he would raise some taxes on the rich. Bush I was also a Socialist, then, I guess??

I also pay my own way, but I don't mind paying a little extra in taxes to help out the general population. But, of course, I'm not rich and greedy.
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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2008, 10:19:46 PM »

C10hitch:

The Lefties don't believe that will happen in the USA.

Unfortunately that will happened.

There is nothing like the free enterprise system.


Kenneth J. Chadwick

What about the 40 million people in the US who don't get any health care or poor health care from Emergency Rooms, just covering major disasters like bone breaks, etc.??

I'll bet THEY would like the Danish system a LOT. But one rich kid in Denmark having to wait a couple of months bothers you. 40 million without any health care doesn't. Hmmm...
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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2008, 11:08:37 PM »

I say we get our repayment in oil from Kuwait & Iraq since we spent trillions of dollars saving their a$$

No need to drill except at the dentist office Shocked
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« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2008, 06:46:14 AM »

The question was "What are your thoughts about drilling in Alaska"? When you give your thoughts the LEFT comes up with excuses but offer no solutions. They can't even post on here what there thoughts are because they don't have any. They only are able to criticize. Where's the solution?
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« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2008, 07:24:29 AM »

Shiele Jackson Lee told you what Obama and the Democrats are planning to do with gas and oil.

She threatened a Federal takeover of oil companies and to "nationalize" them for the good of the people.

The Obama Democrats are great at telling you what you dont have then adding yet another tax and saying that government will give it to you and then they dont deliver.
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« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2008, 10:23:47 AM »

We're swimming against the current here.  Keep in mind that the Polar Bear is now an endangered species, even though they have increased in number form 5,000 in the 70's to nearly 25,000. 

They are endangered now because the environmentalists & lefties want to save the Earth.  Well, we're all for saving the Earth but we can't do it alone & we're not going to stop using oil within the next 10 years.  That's why we have to do EVERYTHING we can to be energy independent, which includes drilling for more - the short-term solution.  Supposedly, Toyota's going to have real electric cars within 3 years, which is a great futuristic alternative - much better than ethanol.  (In this case, "futuristic" is 10 years.)
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« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2008, 11:39:06 AM »

Electric cars sound great.  However, they still have to be charged up. What do we use to charge them with?  Electricity made by burning fossil fuels-oil and coal. Still no solution unless we build more nuclear power plants. That IS a solution. But try to sell that to the Lefties.  Pork
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« Reply #49 on: June 14, 2008, 02:39:20 PM »

The question was "What are your thoughts about drilling in Alaska"? When you give your thoughts the LEFT comes up with excuses but offer no solutions. They can't even post on here what there thoughts are because they don't have any. They only are able to criticize. Where's the solution?

I believe I answered the question NO !!! leave the drilling to the dentist !!!

I say we get our repayment in oil from Kuwait & Iraq since we spent trillions of dollars saving their a$$

No need to drill except at the dentist office Shocked

The solution is lets have some of these people help us out once in awhile!!
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