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Question: Should we drill in Alaska?  (Voting closed: June 18, 2008, 07:01:07 AM)
NO Never Save the wildlife - 2 (6.9%)
Yes Be Careful - 9 (31%)
Start Today - 12 (41.4%)
I am tired of getting taken at the pump DRILL! - 6 (20.7%)
No I like sending my cash elsewhere - 0 (0%)
Total Voters: 25

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« on: June 11, 2008, 07:01:07 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 07:26:07 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 07:50:53 AM »

a guy someone interviewed about gas prices said.....i don't care if the oil companies want 10 dollar a gallon gas but, make a vehicle that gets 200 miles to the gallon.

unless the oil companies quit restricting mpg's things won't change. that means they want to put the pressure on to be able to drill anywhere.

hell, they were getting better mpg's when the honda civic first came out 30 years ago.  i had an old merc sable that got better mpg's than the new cars they advertise now. it's a joke and a scam perpetrated on the american public
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 08:19:40 AM »

a guy someone interviewed about gas prices said.....i don't care if the oil companies want 10 dollar a gallon gas but, make a vehicle that gets 200 miles to the gallon.

unless the oil companies quit restricting mpg's things won't change. that means they want to put the pressure on to be able to drill anywhere.

hell, they were getting better mpg's when the honda civic first came out 30 years ago.  i had an old merc sable that got better mpg's than the new cars they advertise now. it's a joke and a scam perpetrated on the american public

What has happened 30 years ago vs today.

Look underneath the hood of a car today.

All that crap, environmental, air conditioning etc.

Cars are more complicated today than ever before.

Progress has a price on it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 10:09:44 AM »

Right you are KJC, We have to use our own resources.  With all the precautions we take , it will be a lot easier on the environment then the places we are getting our oil from now.   No one wants to mention that fact, it doesn't fit in with the agenda.  It will be years before we get the oil, but the longer we delay, the more trouble we will be in. There are already laws in place demanding 35 mpg that kick in in several years.  That and increased production on our part is the way to go.  We have to allow more refineries to be built and start building nuclear power plants again. I know the rest of the world wants to bring our standard of living down to their level.  Well, they can go to hell.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 10:53:15 AM »

I'd like to see a large oil reserve discovered on the sovereign territory of one of Alaska's indigenous people whose tribal council then decides that the oil business would be a more profitable business than the casino business.  Given how fast the Native-Americans here in Michigan build their casinos, their oil would be flowing in less than two years. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 12:54:30 PM »

Yesterday would not be soon enough for ME!

Kenneth J. Chadwick
This is NO Frickin oil shortage! I don't see any long ines at gas stations.
Fix the dollar and the price of oil WILL COME DOWN!
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unless the oil companies quit restricting mpg's things won't change.

What ?


I didn't know B.P was running the research department of Toyota.

Exxon must be in charge of GM's program.



Hey, China drilling in Cuban waters going after an estimated 4.6 BILLION barrels of oil. In a treaty signed with U.S. in 1977, at least someone is taking advantage of oil miles off the Florida Coast.


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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 02:47:10 PM »

This is an option that would help.....IF....the oil companies actually allowed the supply out INTO the market to bring down the price, OOPS doh what am I thinking? that would never happen because that's not good for business. there is no help for the oil problem until somebody somewhere develops a functioning car that runs on water. Imagine the furor over that?!!!! There is no solution to any of this. Artificial markets inflated to make RIDICULOUS profits, that's all.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 03:31:14 PM »

This is NO Frickin oil shortage! I don't see any long ines at gas stations.
Fix the dollar and the price of oil WILL COME DOWN!

The reason why the dollar is weak (low) is to assist the subprime mess.

Lower interest rates are attempting to assist homeowners to refinance.

This is not working.

It's going to take 4/5 years to ring out the excess in the housing market.

Real good article in the Wall Street Journal (The Businessman's  scratch sheet) by Brian Wesbury.

"Change We Can Believe In Is all Around Us."  Page A23


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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 08:44:55 PM »

There is not one single cure-all solution to the situation but ANWAR is the size of South Carolina and they want to drill in an area the size of Rhode Island. It is land that can never be lived in.

As I said in a prior post, if Republicans really want to win the election, they need to do one thing. Have John McCain stand in front of the Capital Building with all Republican members of the Senate and House, announce that he is introducing a Bill to allow for drilling in ANWAR and within US Territorial waters at least two miles off-shore, that no riders or earmarks be added to it and that he demands an immediate up or down vote and the Bill to be on President Bush's desk by noon for the ceremonial signing.

If McCain did that, then he has the absolute wedge issue against Democrats. If Obama doesnt support him, then McCain gets to spend the summer asking why Obama doesnt want to help Americans. If Reid and Pelosi kill the bill and Obama supports them then McCain spends the summer asking how Obama can really be for "change" when all he does is follow what Reid and Pelosi want and if God-forbid they did pass it, then McCain gets to spend the summer saying how he took action.

At this point, people are pissed off enough about oil prices where a ground swell for drilling would build fast and that would benefit McCain.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 09:38:24 PM »

What ?


I didn't know B.P was running the research department of Toyota.

Exxon must be in charge of GM's program.



Hey, China drilling in Cuban waters going after an estimated 4.6 BILLION barrels of oil. In a treaty signed with U.S. in 1977, at least someone is taking advantage of oil miles off the Florida Coast.


Which of our leftwing, bed wetting, liberal, communist front groups is currently patrolling the Gulf of Mexico to ensure that the Chinese aren't polluting the waters they are currently exploiting in their search for oil ??
Is Greenpeace out there?
How about the Sierra Club ?
Is Chuckie Schummer spouting off about the datardly repercussions that the whales face as a result of this exploitation.
Where's Obamamamamama?? ( forgot that he's little more than an empty suit ) Has the Union of Concerned Scientists, the same group that shut down the nuclear power industry in the US, taken a stand??
Where are these loud mouth lefty's when they are really needed ?
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 10:02:35 PM »

What ?


I didn't know B.P was running the research department of Toyota.

Exxon must be in charge of GM's program.



Hey, China drilling in Cuban waters going after an estimated 4.6 BILLION barrels of oil. In a treaty signed with U.S. in 1977, at least someone is taking advantage of oil miles off the Florida Coast.





the large oil companies dictate policy and that means the oil lobbists who bought the politicians they put in office. well, they tell them what to do and what they want done.

why do you think we went over to iraq the first time?

there is a guy in seattle area that has developed a car the size of an suv like the size jeep cherokee. it gets over 100 a gallon and it is a hybrid but, it doesn't use all those batteries but, a few batteries. the vehicle has components to generate electicity without drawing all the juice from the batteries. it has 317 horsepower but, the big three put the thumbs down to it.....why?  keep consumption high which translates to big profits. put all that crap under the hood so it keeps down emissions and mpg's too. oil companies love it. less mileage more gas sales.

the oil companies want this crap to keep going like this forever and make all the americans pay til the end. they control the money and so they say what is going to happen.

they don't particuliarly care if worldwide production is 1 billion barrels a day or 1.5 billion barrels a day. they are making windfall profits and they have a commodity that just about everyone needs. they can charge whatever they please and who is going to stop them.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2008, 05:52:54 AM »

Which of our leftwing, bed wetting, liberal, communist front groups is currently patrolling the Gulf of Mexico to ensure that the Chinese aren't polluting the waters they are currently exploiting in their search for oil ??
Is Greenpeace out there?
How about the Sierra Club ?
Is Chuckie Schummer spouting off about the datardly repercussions that the whales face as a result of this exploitation.
Where's Obamamamamama?? ( forgot that he's little more than an empty suit ) Has the Union of Concerned Scientists, the same group that shut down the nuclear power industry in the US, taken a stand??
Where are these loud mouth lefty's when they are really needed ?


Wow, what a post.

I think you accurate describe some of left wing liberal friends.

I wonder how they father children?
Oh, I forgot, most of them are gay.

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2008, 07:19:56 AM »

If we don't dril for oil, build nuclear plants, and mine our coal, we are fried!
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 07:48:48 AM »

I studied Resource Ecology in college. I'm all about conservation. In those college classes what we believed to be the definition of conservation is use without abuse. That includes hunting, fishing, and use of all our natural resources including timber and oil. There is no reason not to drill as long as reasonable precautions are exercised and safeguards with enough knowledgeable staff are in place in case of accidents. I don't think there is any reason it can't or shouldn't be done.
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« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2008, 08:16:59 AM »


the large oil companies dictate policy and that means the oil lobbists who bought the politicians they put in office. well, they tell them what to do and what they want done.

why do you think we went over to iraq the first time?

there is a guy in seattle area that has developed a car the size of an suv like the size jeep cherokee. it gets over 100 a gallon and it is a hybrid but, it doesn't use all those batteries but, a few batteries. the vehicle has components to generate electicity without drawing all the juice from the batteries. it has 317 horsepower but, the big three put the thumbs down to it.....why?  keep consumption high which translates to big profits. put all that crap under the hood so it keeps down emissions and mpg's too. oil companies love it. less mileage more gas sales.

the oil companies want this crap to keep going like this forever and make all the americans pay til the end. they control the money and so they say what is going to happen.

they don't particuliarly care if worldwide production is 1 billion barrels a day or 1.5 billion barrels a day. they are making windfall profits and they have a commodity that just about everyone needs. they can charge whatever they please and who is going to stop them.
I'm pretty damned old and have heard these urban legends all my life about someone getting " the wrong car" and the oil companies showing up to take it back.  If  "some guy in Seattle" invented this super machine, what is his name? Where is the prototype? Give us the link to the scientific paper extolling the virtues of this discovery.
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« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2008, 09:50:26 AM »

I'm pretty damned old and have heard these urban legends all my life about someone getting " the wrong car" and the oil companies showing up to take it back.  If  "some guy in Seattle" invented this super machine, what is his name? Where is the prototype? Give us the link to the scientific paper extolling the virtues of this discovery.


Makes nice reading.

Do you think all those smart engineers in Detroit and Japan can't figure this out??

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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2008, 10:43:30 AM »

There is hope on the way, just keep reading barn to wire and I promise you there is a solution. I'm not going to bother telling everyone now because I'll just get reprimanded for using this forum to as a commercial for a product but I just want to say there is hope. I'm ready for all of the abuse that is forthcoming but more than anything I'm ready to see my FRIENDS in the "booth" tonight.
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« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2008, 10:46:49 AM »

I have no problem with drilling anywhere. My backyard IS available also if needed. But this is not the main reason we are way up to $4.02 a gallon (nat'l avg.).  Think about it, we had the same number of wells/refineries 17 months ago and gas was $2.59 a gallon. So what happened? Why the rapid increase in price when demand has fallen?  

The problem is still our weak dollar. Just like the individual boob with a 502 FICO score has to pay a few points and fees more for his loans and mortgage because of his reputation, a nation of people, led by an administration that relies on the Federal Reserve Bank to keep incrreasing money supply to meet its fiscally irresponsible over-spending habits must also give more of those cheaper dollars to other nations to buy their goods.

While drilling in Anwar (or anywhere for that matter) will surely help us lessen the amount of oil we may need to import with our cheap-o dollars, it is a secondary or left-handed reply to the REAL problem that NO politician dare address.

We need to start asking these hi-spending presidential candidates that question. "Sir, can you please tell us how you plan to strengthen our dollar and retreive the 35% of its real value which has been lost over the past 3 years?

Until that is corrected, we are the boobs with the 502 FICO score wondering why we are having to pay so much for imported oil.
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« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2008, 11:06:45 AM »

I studied Resource Ecology in college. I'm all about conservation. In those college classes what we believed to be the definition of conservation is use without abuse. That includes hunting, fishing, and use of all our natural resources including timber and oil. There is no reason not to drill as long as reasonable precautions are exercised and safeguards with enough knowledgeable staff are in place in case of accidents. I don't think there is any reason it can't or shouldn't be done.

We went through all of these same "arguments" from our ultra liberal "friends" prior to the construction of the Alaskan Pipeline.
"The caribou will die"...."The permafrost will be destroyed"...... and on and on and on.
Somehow the pipeline was built, I can confirm that statement, I was there!!
The caribou love the damned thing. They are thriving as never before and now the bed wetters say that they will reproduce to an extreme and destroy their foraging range. Never have I seen a bunch that could find the Apocalypse at either end of the debate spectrum as the ultra left can.
The permafrost has been protected through a SIMPLE design of insulation and heat tracing where required. Wrong again comrades !!!
Now the wailing says that we are selling the product to the Japanese at reduced prices. This from the same morons who cry re. the balance of trade disparity.
I agree with the idea that conservation is the use of a resource without abusing it or it's donor.
To say that we can't exploit anwar because we will destroy it's "pristine" ambiance is stupidity in over abundance. Technology has existed for some 25 years that was used to protect the pipeline right-of-way and can be used to drill in anwar ALONG with more recently designed construction/ drilling procedure.
For an area that would fit more than 1000 times into the state of Connecticut I think we can, considering the millions of acres owned by the feds in our western states, take the risk. Should have been done 20 years ago !!!!!!!
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2008, 11:17:41 AM »

DRILL NOW WHEREVER WE NEED TO........ THERE ARE GAS CARS THAT CAN GET SUPER MILEAGE BUT YOU ARE CORRECT THEY ARE BANNED?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?? light bulb
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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2008, 02:19:11 PM »

I'm pretty damned old and have heard these urban legends all my life about someone getting " the wrong car" and the oil companies showing up to take it back.  If  "some guy in Seattle" invented this super machine, what is his name? Where is the prototype? Give us the link to the scientific paper extolling the virtues of this discovery.

first off i am not columbus and did not seek this discovery. it was right on the front page of YAHOO.


if you ever check yahoo on a daily basis it was one of there top stories with video and a virtual reality because the reporter was actual driving the vehicle. check it out from two or three days ago. it was a video report. maybe the thing was staged by hollywood. i am just telling what was reported as a major news story in the pacific northwest. by the way the pacific northwest was the first to market an electric car in the 80's. of course, where is it now? according to the report the oil companies bought every last vehicle and crushed them and you never heard another thing about electric cars again for way over a decade.

off topic:   yeah and the guy that was going to drop a dime on the crooks that were using the epo scandal in canada was going to name names. i guess he was shot in front of his computer by a drive by in canada. never heard anymore about it either. police seized his computer and he is dead and nobody knows nothing and that is that.

off topic:  just like the banks says " FDIC INSURED ". if the country goes broke or should i say a financial collapse occurs. do you think your money is safe?

and the point i am making since you are old enough.... is that anyone in CONTROL can do anything they want especially the oil companies. unless you believe the oil companies are made up of alter boys who always tell the truth and can be trusted. then god bless you
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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2008, 02:26:14 PM »

I have no problem with drilling anywhere. My backyard IS available also if needed. But this is not the main reason we are way up to $4.02 a gallon (nat'l avg.).  Think about it, we had the same number of wells/refineries 17 months ago and gas was $2.59 a gallon. So what happened? Why the rapid increase in price when demand has fallen?  

The problem is still our weak dollar. Just like the individual boob with a 502 FICO score has to pay a few points and fees more for his loans and mortgage because of his reputation, a nation of people, led by an administration that relies on the Federal Reserve Bank to keep incrreasing money supply to meet its fiscally irresponsible over-spending habits must also give more of those cheaper dollars to other nations to buy their goods.

While drilling in Anwar (or anywhere for that matter) will surely help us lessen the amount of oil we may need to import with our cheap-o dollars, it is a secondary or left-handed reply to the REAL problem that NO politician dare address.

We need to start asking these hi-spending presidential candidates that question. "Sir, can you please tell us how you plan to strengthen our dollar and retreive the 35% of its real value which has been lost over the past 3 years?

Until that is corrected, we are the boobs with the 502 FICO score wondering why we are having to pay so much for imported oil.

that's right about the dollar.

and that is why companies like anheiser-busch are being sold. stronger currency abroad means they have better buying power.

and we become weaker every moment the dollar sinks.
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2008, 02:52:37 PM »

first off i am not columbus and did not seek this discovery. it was right on the front page of YAHOO.


if you ever check yahoo on a daily basis it was one of there top stories with video and a virtual reality because the reporter was actual driving the vehicle. check it out from two or three days ago. it was a video report. maybe the thing was staged by hollywood. i am just telling what was reported as a major news story in the pacific northwest. by the way the pacific northwest was the first to market an electric car in the 80's. of course, where is it now? according to the report the oil companies bought every last vehicle and crushed them and you never heard another thing about electric cars again for way over a decade.

off topic:   yeah and the guy that was going to drop a dime on the crooks that were using the epo scandal in canada was going to name names. i guess he was shot in front of his computer by a drive by in canada. never heard anymore about it either. police seized his computer and he is dead and nobody knows nothing and that is that.

off topic:  just like the banks says " FDIC INSURED ". if the country goes broke or should i say a financial collapse occurs. do you think your money is safe?

and the point i am making since you are old enough.... is that anyone in CONTROL can do anything they want especially the oil companies. unless you believe the oil companies are made up of alter boys who always tell the truth and can be trusted. then god bless you
I'll bet you're a nervous sort of guy Wink
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