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« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2008, 06:41:00 PM »

It's like talking to a wall.  You guys are  so full of hate that it is blinding you to reality.  Meanwhile congress is picking your pocket more blatantly then  ever before in the history of this country and all you can see is your hatred of George Bush.  You live in la la land and will wake up someday in a socialist dictatorship and wonder where you are going to get your next meal.
Everyone is full of hate except supporters of George W. Bush! He is still the president thumbs down everything still goes through him! He is the one who created this mess so no matter who you pick to blame the facts speak for themselves!
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« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2008, 06:53:52 PM »

Talking head, the sub prime mess started when the Clinton administration leaned on the banks to start loaning to people who had no credit worthiness.  The Clinton administration insisted that the banks not red line areas where repossessions were rampant. The sub prime mess is a liberal do good program run a muck.
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« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2008, 07:47:51 PM »

I didn't call anyone names, George Soros included.  He shares your hatred of Bush.  That's not a name - "hate", I'm pretty sure is a verb!

I'm an avoider?  I asked you to prove that Bush is the one person responsible for oil prices.  Why are YOU avoiding?  I'd settle for any proof from a legitimate source - a newspaper would be fine.  Are you lacking a legitimate source, perhaps?  My point is one person, even the President, does not control oil prices.

As I said the $ is down 20% since Jan. 2006 but the price per gallon is up 100% - in dollars.  What don't you understand about this comparison.  Logically, if it's only $ related, the price of gas should be up 25%.  (If you can't figure out why the dollar is down 20% but prices should be up 25%, try a Basic Economics course.)

Please, either say something logical or just go away.  Hahahahaha does not qualify as logical.

Calling somebody an ignoramus isn't calling them a name?
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« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2008, 07:48:28 PM »

Talking head, the sub prime mess started when the Clinton administration leaned on the banks to start loaning to people who had no credit worthiness.  The Clinton administration insisted that the banks not red line areas where repossessions were rampant. The sub prime mess is a liberal do good program run a muck.

Do you have any actual evidence to back that claim? Seems like 7 years into the Bush administration somebody would have figured it out. Or is this just another "Blame Clinton"?
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« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2008, 08:49:12 PM »

The price of gas has everything to do with the dollar. The analysts I've heard talk about it insist this to be true. The dollar has lost value by what, 35-40%? Gas has gone up what, 40-45%? So 5-10% of the increase is the market and 30-35% is the dollar falling. The war and the fed are to blame for the dollar, so this administration is to blame for the mess. If they'd kept spending down to keep the dollar up we'd be paying 5% more for gas than we were 4 years ago, period. You can't even try to defend that, it's very simple mathematics. Even I can do it and I don't subscribe to money mag.
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« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2008, 09:49:13 PM »

The price of gas has everything to do with the dollar. The analysts I've heard talk about it insist this to be true. The dollar has lost value by what, 35-40%? Gas has gone up what, 40-45%? So 5-10% of the increase is the market and 30-35% is the dollar falling. The war and the fed are to blame for the dollar, so this administration is to blame for the mess. If they'd kept spending down to keep the dollar up we'd be paying 5% more for gas than we were 4 years ago, period. You can't even try to defend that, it's very simple mathematics. Even I can do it and I don't subscribe to money mag.

Absolutely incorrect. 

In January 2006, the dollar index was 90.  It is now 72 - a 20% decline.
Source: http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/US/68

In January 2006, gas was right around 2.10 a gallon.  Now it's 4.10 - nearly 100% higher.
I'm sure you can find a source but I didn't have to look it up.  I know that when I went to Dolphins Stadium for the NFL experience the week before the Super Bowl, that's what I paid!  (I guess my source is the Shell station in Opa Locka, FL Wink)
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« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2008, 09:54:25 PM »

Talking head, the sub prime mess started when the Clinton administration leaned on the banks to start loaning to people who had no credit worthiness.  The Clinton administration insisted that the banks not red line areas where repossessions were rampant. The sub prime mess is a liberal do good program run a muck.

This is correct.  I was a Mortgage Broker in the early 90's & wrote many an FHA or VA loan to people who had no credit - as in nothing showed up on their credit report.  All they had to do was show that they paid a phone bill or cable bill for a year to qualify.  After I left that business, I learned that it had become even easier to get the mortgages!  Those programs actually worked out okay but after the boom, all of these folks took money out of their house to buy large screen TV's so they could watch their hero - Barack!
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« Reply #57 on: May 27, 2008, 11:24:44 PM »

Talking head, the sub prime mess started when the Clinton administration leaned on the banks to start loaning to people who had no credit worthiness.  The Clinton administration insisted that the banks not red line areas where repossessions were rampant. The sub prime mess is a liberal do good program run a muck.

Redlining is repugnant discrimination. Are you referring to something called, I believe, the Community Reinvestment Act?

During the absurd housing bubble, were any mortgage brokers FORCED to make loans to people with no documentation of income? Was that, like, an act of Congress? Were they FORCED to issue ARMS to people they suspected couldn't maintain the payments? Were they FORCED to peddle refinancing option? Did Clinton do this? If so, where was the Gingrich Congress?

I know, from a friend who is a Realtor, that investment banks BEGGED for mortgage paper to sell to investors. More, more, more. This is Clinton's fault? Or a natural rush to profits?

Yeah, people were stupid, from Main Street to Wall Street.

I also live near neighborhoods where people of modest but decent means -- people who could have been redlined -- used their mortgages to build neighborhoods LONG BEFORE our recent crisis.

Man, I don't understand why you have to reach to make this a partisan issue, to call it liberalism run amok. It tells me you're more interested in scoring political points than examining -- and solving -- problems.





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« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2008, 12:18:17 AM »

It's like talking to a wall.  You guys are  so full of hate that it is blinding you to reality.  Meanwhile congress is picking your pocket more blatantly then  ever before in the history of this country and all you can see is your hatred of George Bush.  You live in la la land and will wake up someday in a socialist dictatorship and wonder where you are going to get your next meal.

I don't like Bush -- especially his war -- but I recognize that the systemic problems raised on this board don't start and end with him.

As for picking pockets, that war has been -- continues to be -- astonishingly expensive. We'll blame Bush and Congress for the pocket-picking, not just Congress.

Medicare drugs? We'll blame Bush and Congess for the pocket-picking, not just Congress. I have parents who can afford their own drugs, and frankly, I think the program should be more aggressively means-tested. Some say it should never have been started.

Other non-discretionary spending, such as all that flows to the elderly (and I'm not saying it's wrong)? We'll blame Bush and Congress for the pocket-picking, and many administrations and Congresses before them.

I'm interested in your statement that Congress is "picking your pocket more blatantly" than ever before in history. What is your metric here? After all, it's only in the last year and a half or so that Bush has discovered his veto pen.

Say, that socialist dictatorship -- just HOW might THAT come about? In reality, I mean. Armed revolution would seem a prerequisite. No? Do you really think the scumbags are up to it? Or maybe you just enjoy slogans. Heck, that's a weakness we all share.




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« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2008, 07:10:07 AM »

Jeepers, the only reason that I am going back to Clinton where this whole mess started is not to indite Clinton but to wake everyone up to the fact that it is not George Bush who personally caused this crisis.  The Bush haters would have you believe that he waves a wand and the world does what he asks.  There is a tremendous amount of blame to go around, most of it to a disfunctional congress.  6 years under republicans and the last two under democrats and they SUCK.
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« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2008, 12:09:21 PM »

We're off the thread again because no one can possibly show any examples of Bush being the one at fault for gas prices.  Because he isn't!

But for those of you who still think he is, just watch CNBC for a while.  They have analysts on TV everyday offering opinions as to why the high prices.  Some think it's a bubble, some don't.  But all blame the high prices on supply issues, demand issues, speculators in the commodities market & the $.  There are no analysts who believe the $ is even close to the #1 cause for high prices.  Listen to T. Boone Pickens, "Mr. Oil" - he'll tell you that there just isn't enough supply to meet the growing demand.  The analysts who think it's a bubble blame the speculators.
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« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2008, 04:15:42 PM »

Look at the Dollar, its very very WEAK against the euro and other currencies! Since the dollar is worth alot less than it once did it costs more to buy oil with Dollars! Now why is the dollar so weak because of all the borrowing the government is doing to support this WORTHLESS WAR! The scary part is that this is just the tip of the iceberg!
There is your answer! A George W supporter that is blind! Only reads what they want to read! Are you and Kenny J. the same person?
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« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2008, 04:27:27 PM »

This is correct.  I was a Mortgage Broker in the early 90's & wrote many an FHA or VA loan to people who had no credit - as in nothing showed up on their credit report.  All they had to do was show that they paid a phone bill or cable bill for a year to qualify.  After I left that business, I learned that it had become even easier to get the mortgages!  Those programs actually worked out okay but after the boom, all of these folks took money out of their house to buy large screen TV's so they could watch their hero - Barack!

Again, can we some documentation on this? Why are the so-called "facts" with you NeoCons not really facts, but personal stories, which turn out to be mostly BS?
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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2008, 05:44:00 PM »

http://www.famoustexans.com/georgewbush.htm

The man owns an oil company  Roll Eyes

The rich get richer   thumbs down
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« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2008, 06:07:57 PM »

Tsunami,

Once again, any response to my post regarding CNBC's daily parade of professional analysts who don't see it your way?

Just wondering.

We're off the thread again because no one can possibly show any examples of Bush being the one at fault for gas prices.  Because he isn't!

But for those of you who still think he is, just watch CNBC for a while.  They have analysts on TV everyday offering opinions as to why the high prices.  Some think it's a bubble, some don't.  But all blame the high prices on supply issues, demand issues, speculators in the commodities market & the $.  There are no analysts who believe the $ is even close to the #1 cause for high prices.  Listen to T. Boone Pickens, "Mr. Oil" - he'll tell you that there just isn't enough supply to meet the growing demand.  The analysts who think it's a bubble blame the speculators.
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« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2008, 07:54:19 PM »

Tsunami,

Once again, any response to my post regarding CNBC's daily parade of professional analysts who don't see it your way?

Just wondering.


Maybe these analysts can figure a way out of this mess because the President has tried everything including going to war which is supposed to stimulate the economy.
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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2008, 07:56:40 PM »

We all have skeletons .....eh

http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm
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« Reply #67 on: May 28, 2008, 08:03:43 PM »

Tsunami,

Once again, any response to my post regarding CNBC's daily parade of professional analysts who don't see it your way?

Just wondering.


CNBC? You mean that right wing hack Kudlow?
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« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2008, 05:23:08 PM »

The venomous hate that libs feel for GWB clouds their ability to reason.  Read your own posts and see how unreasonable you sound. I never liked Clinton much but I sure wanted him to do a good job and be a good president.  I never wished for the failure of his presidency because that would be a failure of my country.  Grow up!
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« Reply #69 on: May 29, 2008, 09:09:05 PM »

The venomous hate that libs feel for GWB clouds their ability to reason.  Read your own posts and see how unreasonable you sound. I never liked Clinton much but I sure wanted him to do a good job and be a good president.  I never wished for the failure of his presidency because that would be a failure of my country.  Grow up!

How unreasonable we sound  Huh

Why did Bush give 770 Million dollars to Tanzania?
Read some of the comments he makes and wonder to yourself what would be wrong with giving the Katrina victims
this money, they still have whole towns that are uninhabited.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/02/18/2165422.htm

He will be known in history as the worst president of the United States !!
I never wished he would fail but at least have some common sense...... sheesh

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« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2008, 06:43:00 PM »

Congress approved the 770m to Tanzania.  Bush announced the food aid on an African trip,  He didn't  give it himself and he didn't give it without congressional approval. The aid is to help a starving people.  I thought that is what you libs want  do is help the poor and the suffering. I guess that is only if they are white. By the way, Africa has a greater fuel crisis as a result of our response to the moon bat global warming problem.
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« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2008, 06:46:07 PM »

We gave billions to the disfunctional Louisiana government and they have blown it and stolen it.  Funny how Mississippi rebuilt and New Orleans begs for more help and refuses to help itself.  Funny isn't it?
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« Reply #72 on: May 30, 2008, 08:05:13 PM »

Congress approved the 770m to Tanzania.  Bush announced the food aid on an African trip,  He didn't  give it himself and he didn't give it without congressional approval. The aid is to help a starving people.  I thought that is what you libs want  do is help the poor and the suffering. I guess that is only if they are white. By the way, Africa has a greater fuel crisis as a result of our response to the moon bat global warming problem.

First off some idiot had to come up with the idea  doh
and second WTF does "I guess that is only if they are white" have to do with anything Huh
Never in any of my posts have I indicated that I'm a racist .... in fact some of my cousins and friends at work are black so go play your frickin race card somewhere else and stick to the facts.

All I'm saying is we need to take care of OUR country and it's people first!!!
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« Reply #73 on: May 31, 2008, 01:14:03 AM »

Congress approved the 770m to Tanzania.  Bush announced the food aid on an African trip,  He didn't  give it himself and he didn't give it without congressional approval. The aid is to help a starving people.  I thought that is what you libs want  do is help the poor and the suffering. I guess that is only if they are white. By the way, Africa has a greater fuel crisis as a result of our response to the moon bat global warming problem.


Good on Bush for his recent largesse on Third World poverty and disease ($15 billion on AIDS). It clearly means a lot to him. Hopefully, it's wise strategically as well the right thing for a wealthy nation to do.

Stategery has been tricky for this guy. The Iraq war aside (as if it could be, but let's pretend), he blasted Kerry for endorsing two-party talks with North Korea, then used two-party talks to good effect. He as much as endorsed the Hamas victory in Gaza because he was cornered by his necessarily stilted view of democracy as a single ballot event. He persists in spurning any diplomacy with rogue states, and demonizing Obama for the slighest hint otherwise, while maintaining back-channel communications with Iran and Syria.

That last part may be good strategery. The political part is unsavory. Very Karl Rove. Sorry, but THAT dude's a rat-*** prick who could never, EVER see beyond HIS vision of November. Now I'm talking politics -- off topic -- but not really, because Bush and Rove were shameful in their intimations that their detractors were unpatriotic, or opponents of "liberty."

Having said that, it's possible that Obama may not know what the *** he's doing. He'll have to grow into it, won't he. I think that's happening with Bush, far too late.

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« Reply #74 on: May 31, 2008, 12:26:32 PM »

The only reason it looks like Bush might be growing into his job, is that Congress has changed to a democratic congress and he hasn't had to kiss their asses.  Democratic  president republican congress or republican congress and democratic president is the only chance this country has.  Otherwise the party in power will fleece us good.
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