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Author Topic: With all the negative talk  (Read 2433 times)
Tsunami
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« on: April 09, 2008, 06:37:33 PM »

........ Would it be possible to open up a new race track and training center in Illinois?
Plus eliminate the recapture law all together !!

Just thinking out loud  Undecided

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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 06:43:41 PM »

Let me rephrase that ..... not adhere to the recapture law
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 06:52:38 PM »

I don't think racing will ever get better in Illinois untill they get slots.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008, 07:00:34 PM »

I don't think racing will ever get better in Illinois untill they get slots.

........ Would it be possible to open up a new race track and training center in Illinois?
 trotter


This does not answer my question and you have stated on another thread you really don't care if there is racing in Illinois.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 09:08:38 PM »

I don't think it is possible with the strangleholds the JOHNSTON'S AND DICKIE D have on horse racing in ILLINOIS.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 09:23:17 PM »

Not a chance.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2008, 10:43:51 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2008, 10:58:26 PM »

If there is someone with enough C & C that's cash n clout to build a new racetrack in Illinois
and if they can get racing dates allotted to them it might be possible, also the tracks don't have to use the recapture clause if they don't want too. They use it to line their filthy pockets that are all ready full.
The two most important items are the total elimination of recapture and an equal split of all monies from simulcast and OTB's, this should have been negotiated at time of contractfor the past several years
Don't believe the BS that is handed out from your IHHA board about  "that's the best we could get". If the tracks won't do this shut the F-----g lights off and don't enter. The majority of owners are loosing their ass and getting out, if your smart stop complaining and do something, I moved out 3 years ago and am happy with my decision.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2008, 09:49:19 AM »

........ Would it be possible to open up a new race track and training center in Illinois?
Plus eliminate the recapture law all together !!

Just thinking out loud  Undecided

 trotter


Possible - maybe.
Probable - no.

I do not see how it could ever be profitable with the cost of acquiring land, building a track, building a clubhouse, building stalls and barns, putting a simulcast network into operation (if you could ever get it installed with all of the current tracks having the contracts).
Then the competitiion from all the other tracks, casinos, riverboats, etc. Why enter a "dying business" when you don't have to?
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2008, 08:10:41 PM »

Possible - maybe.
Probable - no.

I do not see how it could ever be profitable with the cost of acquiring land, building a track, building a clubhouse, building stalls and barns, putting a simulcast network into operation (if you could ever get it installed with all of the current tracks having the contracts).
Then the competitiion from all the other tracks, casinos, riverboats, etc. Why enter a "dying business" when you don't have to?

Good points , lets run the Johnstons out of town then !!!!

Thank You all
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2008, 12:50:15 AM »

Recapture is a part of Illinois law, no?  I'm not sure how it would matter if a new track was built.

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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2008, 07:08:31 AM »

Recapture is a part of Illinois law, no?  I'm not sure how it would matter if a new track was built.

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EW

Yes it is a law but the State of Illinois doesn't follow it (not in their budget) so why should anyone else  Huh
This should have been repealed or restructured a loooooooooooooooooooong time ago. IMO
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2008, 11:36:46 AM »

Also if the tracks don't want to takeout the recapture they don't have too

Fat chance of that
I also see that Longo,Krause,Plowman,King and Poprowski have left for Min.
Good for them
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2008, 12:42:43 PM »

Recapture is a part of Illinois law, no?  I'm not sure how it would matter if a new track was built.

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EW
They would get NO recapture money!
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 01:19:51 PM »

If you did open up a new training track and training center where would it be?
Quad City downs was the perfect place for trainers and drivers who wanted to break into the business, but Dick D ruined it.
I can't see oanother track in the Chicago area because you would only be competing against yourself.
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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 01:46:37 PM »

If you don't want to deal with recapture,Dick D,and the Johnstons; Then build your track just north of Arlington Park on the Wisc. side of the border.
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I am just an old "Hoss" trainer, that has been raced hard and put away wet. 
As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 11:03:34 PM »

If you don't want to deal with recapture,Dick D,and the Johnstons; Then build your track just north of Arlington Park on the Wisc. side of the border.

Delavan Wisconsin would be a good spot , I think an Attorney (Ritchie) in Chicago still owns the property
but is unwilling to part with it.

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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2008, 07:02:48 AM »

Delavan Wisconsin would be a good spot , I think an Attorney (Ritchie) in Chicago still owns the property
but is unwilling to part with it.

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I believe that Towne Development Corp. [Tim Towne] tried to buy it [the dog track]  for a harness track 2-3 years ago,but couldn't work out all the details.
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I am just an old "Hoss" trainer, that has been raced hard and put away wet. 
As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2008, 07:40:17 AM »

Can someone         figurethis one out ??
How many racing fans in the Chicago area go to the track, any track, TB or harness because of the ambiance that the facility offers.
We're not talking about the shithole OTB's, just the tracks themselves.
When I say "ambiance" I include location, the facility itself, the staff.
This will answer the question I believe.
I spent yesterday at Keeneland and will be doing so today for the Toyota Bluegrass Stakes Day. The fact that they still have dress codes in their club house is absolutely fantastic. Noisy drunks are asked to leave. The staff from waiters to tellers are well trained and are all "people" oriented. The list goes on and on.
Should you wish to succeed in the racetrack business, visit Keeneland first and learn how to do it right.
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« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2008, 08:26:07 AM »

Dan ,

What about Arlington Park?

Even though it is pricey it is a fantastic place to go for a family outing and on a sunny warm day the Harness tracks don't even come close. IMO   
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2008, 09:21:40 AM »

Dan ,

What about Arlington Park?

Even though it is pricey it is a fantastic place to go for a family outing and on a sunny warm day the Harness tracks don't even come close. IMO   


I'd probably agree although in my little mind anything owned or run by Duchoissois is nothing I'd care to patronize. I went to Arlington park last in something like 1960.
Arlington may well be a facility who's physical plant could be copied. If they do the on-track attendance that Keenland does then it should definitely be studied.
My point was / is that most tracks are places that few if any families will attend.
When you find one, and ( to remain within the confines of "the thread" ) look to model a successor after that discovery, Keeneland, Del Mar, and Arlington would be the places to start. DON't look at Balmoral, Maywood, or the likes of Raceway Park.
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2008, 10:08:25 AM »

I'd probably agree although in my little mind anything owned or run by Duchoissois is nothing I'd care to patronize. I went to Arlington park last in something like 1960.
Arlington may well be a facility who's physical plant could be copied. If they do the on-track attendance that Keenland does then it should definitely be studied.
My point was / is that most tracks are places that few if any families will attend.
When you find one, and ( to remain within the confines of "the thread" ) look to model a successor after that discovery, Keeneland, Del Mar, and Arlington would be the places to start. DON't look at Balmoral, Maywood, or the likes of Raceway Park.

I know what mean about "Tricky Dick" , I too have not gone to Arlington as much ever since he refused to open the track until he received tax breaks from Arlington Heights and Illinois. He is just plain greedy IMO!!!

On the subject, I feel Hawthorne is the closest we have in Illinois that could be a great Harness facility.
I think the Johnstons have given up at this point considering their lack of marketing and care of their facilities.

Good Racing


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