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« on: January 27, 2006, 03:10:13 PM »

Here it is.
http://drf.com/nhc/2005/nhc.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2006, 05:33:42 PM »

Nice to see that Billy Downes is 5th in the standing.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2006, 06:43:32 PM »

Nice to see that Billy Downes is 5th in the standing.

10th now, after the last mandatory race for today.

Hey, didn't John Frank say Billy was no kind of handicapper?

I know the Mel Moser guy who's in the Top 10, too. Don't know any of the rest.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2006, 07:34:44 PM »

Have you got it wrong Clock. I've always said Jr. was a great handicapper. I said the MAVIN sucks. That being said. Billy will know be on tv. Espn features todays top 16 for there show next month on finals. And to top it off,the Mavin is running the show. We should see quite a bit of Jr. I,m expecting to see quite a bit of Sr. as he's out there too. This should be quite interesting. Anyhow,good luck Jr.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2006, 08:06:24 AM »

You won't be seeing Billy Sr. on TV because they won't let guests into the contest area (read as "mosh pit").  I saw Billy Jr. on Thursday night but not on Friday.  Bombers are making the contest intersting.  As usual, I'm the king of 4th.

Hoping for better luck today.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2006, 10:15:34 AM »

Hit some bombers today. Good Luck Run Sucker Run.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2006, 08:08:46 PM »

From the unofficial results it show Tom Zipp, a  contestant representing Hawthorne as number 6. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2006, 08:12:08 PM »

Another tough day.  The horses were there but my plays didn't line up well enough.  The Zipper was cranking today and we all pounded the winner of the 10th at SA.  I was all over the double and all the Hawthorne players had it in the contest.  That play put me in a solid middle of the pack position.  Can't complain.  I had a lot of the horses identified, I just chose the wrong ones when it came time to make a bet.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2006, 01:38:04 AM »

Does anyone know how Joe Kristubreth fared in the contest ?  I was dead sure he'd win 1st place with his extensive knowledge of all horse racing.  He can even pick winners like Taz, Black Ruby, and Sarah Nelson at the mule races.  He's even more knowledgable at the harness races.  I don't see how he doesn't sign for at least $2 million each year in huge IRS payoffs.  He's always telling anyone who will listen that the Maven is dragging his picks down.  I heard Joe say that Jerry Bailey could never lose his last ride in a billion years.  How did that end up for the greatest jockey ever to wear the silks ?   trotter  TC
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2006, 06:45:54 AM »

I don't believe that either Joe K. or the Maven were able to qualify this year, this is a contest you need to qualify in a lower tournament for and they weren't able to this year.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2006, 09:30:16 AM »

I don't believe that either Joe K. or the Maven were able to qualify this year, this is a contest you need to qualify in a lower tournament for and they weren't able to this year.

Right. They weren't on the list of contestants. I heard that the Mave was there doing something for some TV show.

TC - Jerry Bailey got himself seriously trapped down on the rail behind some dying horses, and couldn't shake loose to run until too late. It was not a great ride by the greatest jockey ever. The whole world sure expected him to win, since he was about 2-5. Did you have that $99 winner yourself? I didn't. My friend (and John Frank's friend) Tommy got the tri by using *ALL* in the first spot over Jerry, then a couple horses in 3rd. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2006, 10:21:46 AM »

Right. They weren't on the list of contestants. I heard that the Mave was there doing something for some TV show.

TC - Jerry Bailey got himself seriously trapped down on the rail behind some dying horses, and couldn't shake loose to run until too late. It was not a great ride by the greatest jockey ever. The whole world sure expected him to win, since he was about 2-5. Did you have that $99 winner yourself? I didn't. My friend (and John Frank's friend) Tommy got the tri by using *ALL* in the first spot over Jerry, then a couple horses in 3rd.

I thought Bailey gave the horse an excellent ride.  Staying on the rail gave the horse the best chance to win.  If Bailey had taken the horse off the rail, he would have lost by at least 2 lengths.  The winning horse spotted Bailey's horse 3 lengths by going wide.
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2006, 10:25:52 AM »

Dave hosted a show for ESPN2.  They taped it now and will produce something like they do for the poker championships.  Although, I'm sure this will be much smaller in scope.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2006, 11:03:12 AM »

I thought Bailey gave the horse an excellent ride.  Staying on the rail gave the horse the best chance to win.  If Bailey had taken the horse off the rail, he would have lost by at least 2 lengths.  The winning horse spotted Bailey's horse 3 lengths by going wide.

My opinion is those rail-hugging, ground-saving rides are only excellent when it's a winner, especially when you are on the best horse in the race. When the jock and horse get trapped behind other horses until halfway down the stretch and can't run, it isn't so excellent. The winning jock got a huge jump on Bailey by going wide, and built up momentum and a big lead. What difference did three lengths of lost ground make make in this case if it meant winning or not winning? Besides the $200,000 difference between 1st and 2nd purse, that is.

If some other jock had moved over and made room for Jerry to get through on the rail, we might be agreeing excellent ride today. But they didn't. It was my opinion handicapping the race that it was one where there was a lot of early speed that would probably burn itself out and die. I'm sure Jerry could see that, too, by reading the DRF like he always does in the commercials. So why ride so as to get stuck behind it? Dying speed is almost always right down on the rail.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2006, 11:08:15 AM »

RSR

How did they have Bally's set up for this contest? I've been in that racebook, and don't remember it as all that large to hold a big contest, if I'm remembering right. Five or six long semi-circular rows of carrels, and some booths or tables in back? Where did they put everyone?
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2006, 05:35:31 PM »

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How did they have Bally's set up for this contest? I've been in that racebook, and don't remember it as all that large to hold a big contest, if I'm remembering right. Five or six long semi-circular rows of carrels, and some booths or tables in back? Where did they put everyone?


To sum up in one word:   Clusterfuck

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2006, 06:07:29 PM »

John Frank is broke! That's why he didn't make it to Vegas.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2006, 08:26:05 PM »

Terry: You still don't get it. I'm happy for Sun Tan Tommy. But put it togeather. Do you know who moved up big time in NTRA finals on that race. Yes. Martin Wolfson SR. Who owns Florida. Martin Wolfson. And you thought that jocks were going to let Bailey win his last. That might have been,except that Martin's old man is playing in tournament. Much like that family has qualified every year like the Gallos. WHAT F##### ROTTON THEIFS. And They do this in qualifiers.
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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2006, 09:23:54 PM »

Terry: You still don't get it. I'm happy for Sun Tan Tommy. But put it togeather. Do you know who moved up big time in NTRA finals on that race. Yes. Martin Wolfson SR. Who owns Florida. Martin Wolfson. And you thought that jocks were going to let Bailey win his last. That might have been,except that Martin's old man is playing in tournament. Much like that family has qualified every year like the Gallos. WHAT F##### ROTTON THEIFS. And They do this in qualifiers.

Let me see if I have this right.

You say that because Martin Wolfson, Sr., (actually Steve Wolfson, Sr., brother of Martin) was playing in the NTRA tournament,

a) The race was fixed
b) Steve Wolfson, Sr., scoring well in NTRA contest was more important in the great scheme of horse racing fixes than Jerry Bailey winning his last
c) They didn't choose some little backwater race but a $500,000 race that had national attention
d) They didn't fix it with an unobtrusive 10-1 shot or anything, they went whole hog with a 45-1
e) They chose a race that was on national TV

This is what you expect us to believe?

Here's my question John Frank: Why didn't they fix one of the earlier races on the Gulfstream card, using a ... you know ... little less obvious bomb, and have Steve Wolfson, Sr., in better position earlier, so he didn't have to score on such a bomb?
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2006, 09:53:29 PM »

Let me see if I have this right.

You say that because Martin Wolfson, Sr., (actually Steve Wolfson, Sr., brother of Martin) was playing in the NTRA tournament,

a) The race was fixed
b) Steve Wolfson, Sr., scoring well in NTRA contest was more important in the great scheme of horse racing fixes than Jerry Bailey winning his last
c) They didn't choose some little backwater race but a $500,000 race that had national attention
d) They didn't fix it with an unobtrusive 10-1 shot or anything, they went whole hog with a 45-1
e) They chose a race that was on national TV

This is what you expect us to believe?

Here's my question John Frank: Why didn't they fix one of the earlier races on the Gulfstream card, using a ... you know ... little less obvious bomb, and have Steve Wolfson, Sr., in better position earlier, so he didn't have to score on such a bomb?
...because Doubting Thomases such as yourself would be hoodwinked by such blantantly criminal behavior.  Why steal little when you can steal big ?  John Frank is the most sane poster on this whole t-bred side and should be given a medal for bravery for his standing up for what's right.  I heard from Joe Kristubreth's doctor's aunt's gardener that Jerry Bailey (a.k.a. the Texas hack blowjob) was in on the fix just like Gary Stevens was in his last race at CD.  After all, that Moonshine Gal that beat his steed hasn't run off agin since or anything of the like.   horse  trotter  TC
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2006, 09:57:33 PM »

Pay attention,He who has visited every track. (1) They wanted to win. WOLFSON. (2) They wanted to win.WOLFSON. (3) They wanted to win . WOLFSON. (4) They wanted to win. WOLFSON. (5) Of course Natiional Exposure had nothing to do with it. Their statement was: Don't F### in our hometown when our brethren are participating in the handicapping championship of the YEAR. We will do our best to see that those who are participating under the WOLFSON banner have the best oppurtunity to WIN. DON'T F### WITH US.
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2006, 10:03:36 PM »

Pay attention,He who has visited every track. (1) They wanted to win. WOLFSON. (2) They wanted to win.WOLFSON. (3) They wanted to win . WOLFSON. (4) They wanted to win. WOLFSON. (5) Of course Natiional Exposure had nothing to do with it. Their statement was: Don't F### in our hometown when our brethren are participating in the handicapping championship of the YEAR. We will do our best to see that those who are participating under the WOLFSON banner have the best oppurtunity to WIN. DON'T F### WITH US.

Why didn't they put a ton more money on the favorite, then, so the longshot would be even higher odds and Wolfson would win? Pretty dumb to fix a race and then the horse you set up wasn't high enough odds to do the trick, don't you think? I've lost all respect for them.


TC - You sure you and John Frank aren't sharing the same bottle of Ripple?
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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2006, 10:06:11 PM »




TC - You sure you and John Frank aren't sharing the same bottle of Ripple?

Terry, it's not Ripple.  It's paint fumes from all the jobs John Frank hasa lined up indoors this winter. trotter  TC
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2006, 10:08:11 PM »

Why didn't they put a ton more money on the favorite, then, so the longshot would be even higher odds and Wolfson would win? Pretty dumb to fix a race and then the horse you set up wasn't high enough odds to do the trick, don't you think? I've lost all respect for them.


 

Actually Terry, the price on the #1 Wolfson horse dropped from 70/1 down to 45/1 in the waning minutes, so that theory is flawed.  FYI.  TC
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2006, 10:12:53 PM »

Terry, it's not Ripple.  It's paint fumes from all the jobs John Frank hasa lined up indoors this winter. trotter  TC

Aaaahhhhh ... the good stuff!

One more question for John Frank:

Why, in a universe where horseplayers cry foul every weekend over the slightest slight, are you the only one claiming saying this race was fixed? Of all the horseplayers who watched at tracks and OTB's and on TV, the only one. I was sitting with 100 others at the Hawthorne contest, and this race was a mandatory for everyone, but not a peep there about fix. (Some grumbling about caps, yes.) God what a slick job those Wolfsons pulled, so that no one anywhere in the world would see and suspect a thing. No one, that is, but ... JOHN FRANK!
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2006, 10:14:08 PM »

Actually Terry, the price on the #1 Wolfson horse dropped from 70/1 down to 45/1 in the waning minutes, so that theory is flawed.  FYI.  TC

How? They would have seen it drop from 70-1 to 45-1 the same as everyone else. They should have fixed it - if they were any good at all.
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2006, 10:17:06 PM »

P.S.

I like how they set the whole thing up, getting Live Oak to transfer the horse from Mott to Wolfson in early December, getting ready for the Sunshine Millions fix in late January. For that I'll give them credit.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2006, 10:21:53 PM »

P.S.

I like how they set the whole thing up, getting Live Oak to transfer the horse from Mott to Wolfson in early December, getting ready for the Sunshine Millions fix in late January. For that I'll give them credit.
Yep, they fooled horseplayers from coast to coast - except the ever vigilant John Frank.  If a race smells fishy, leave it to someone who has inhaled plenty of turpentine fumes in his life to sniff it out.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2006, 10:25:19 PM »

Yep, they fooled horseplayers from coast to coast - except the ever vigilant John Frank.  If a race smells fishy, leave it to someone who has inhaled plenty of turpentine fumes in his life to sniff it out.   trotter  TC

One other thought, such as it is: Isn't there a cap on winning price in that NTRA contest? Or am I thinking of another contest?
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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2006, 10:37:23 PM »

Put this in both your F####### Asses. How many times has Bail Shit rode ponies. His last mount the horse kicks him in the ass in the paddock. He claims he was sore. Why did he not give up mount and surrender to another waiting jock. That rotten piece of shit insisted he will ride. Then he uses ,got kicked in ass for excuse.
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2006, 10:45:53 PM »

Put this in both your F####### Asses. How many times has Bail Shit rode ponies. His last mount the horse kicks him in the ass in the paddock. He claims he was sore. Why did he not give up mount and surrender to another waiting jock. That rotten piece of shit insisted he will ride. Then he uses ,got kicked in ass for excuse.

The plot thickens. Jerrry Bailey got himself intentionally kicked in the ass by a horse in the paddock, so as to have a ready excuse for his part in the Great Wolfson Fix. It would have nothing to do with that paddock being so tiny and cramped they won't even let connections in. I think Jerry should have loudly announced to all within earshot (including TV microphones), "I GUARANTEE A WIN!" That would have made his price even lower, and the Wolfson horse higher, so the fix might have accomplished something.
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2006, 11:29:15 PM »

Terry: YOU NEVEEEEEEEEEEER Get it. Your part of ownership. You think everything is on the up an up. Why don't you go and have a meeting with Kasperski,particurlaly at a tournament site. Then he can right off cocktails for the both of you and also flights and tournament costs. Kiss his ASS TERRY. You both belong togeather. I do not know how Sun Tan Tommy puts up with you.
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2006, 11:36:27 PM »

Terry: YOU NEVEEEEEEEEEEER Get it. Your part of ownership. You think everything is on the up an up.

No, everything is not on the up and up. There's plenty that's not on the up and up, starting with all the drugs race horses get. However, I know a ridiculously laughable story when I see one, and your crackpot theory about the Wolfsons somehow fixing that last race of Bailey's, a $500,000 Sunshine Millions race, so a family member could score on a handicapping tournament, is one of THE MOST ridiculously laughable stories ever typed on this forum. If anything, Steve Wolfson, Sr., might have had some good inside info that the horse was ready to run big, but that's it.
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2006, 11:51:48 PM »

Another thing John Frank: How do you know that Steve Wolfson, Sr., bet that particular horse? I can't find a written record of what the individual players bet, it wasn't a contest mandatory race, and there were still a number of contest races after it. Could you direct us to the source that says Steve Wolfson, Sr., bet that #1 horse? Just so we can all be on the same level set, you understand.
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2006, 12:03:28 AM »

OK. Since your so smart. He jumps from nowhere to 6th. And if you followed ,which you did not because your trying to win some god damn lease on a car tournament that takes 36 tries and they will most likely *** you on that saying they were only offering a $3,000 discount on purchase,how the hell do you know what's going on.
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2006, 12:14:58 AM »

OK. Since your so smart. He jumps from nowhere to 6th. And if you followed ,which you did not because your trying to win some god damn lease on a car tournament that takes 36 tries and they will most likely *** you on that saying they were only offering a $3,000 discount on purchase,how the hell do you know what's going on.

I don't know what went on in that contest, you're right I was at Hawthorne playing my own contest, so that's why I'm asking you where we can read what went on. Not that I doubt your word, but independent verification is part of the scientific process. What am I saying ... a highly educated individual such as you knows that. But there was 2-1/2 hours between that Gulfstream 9th race and the final race of the contest, the 10th from Santa Anita, so lots could have happened. When exactly did Mr. Wolfson, Sr., "jump from nowhere to 6th" (coincidentally his finishing position, which is odd, since the story about how the contest ended says there was a lot of movement due to that 10th race at SA), where was "nowhere" to begin with, and where can we see (independently from your biased opinion) how and when that happened? These are the kind of questions we need to have answered.
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2006, 12:32:32 AM »

Y'all,

Most everyone knew Mr. Wolfson was in the contest.  When that horse won, half the house went running for the judges.  I was told it didn't count towards his total because he was forbidden from playing the race.  All owners and trainers were required to identify themselves prior to the contest.  We were not allowed to play any race where we or any members of our family had any ownership or influence on training the horse.

If Steve got any money from the race (which I can't imagine) he would be disqualified.

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« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2006, 12:41:49 AM »

Was that me that had that rule put into effect.
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2006, 12:49:34 AM »

Was that me that had that rule put into effect.

Yes, probably it was you.

The DRF and NTRA officials read John "Knows all! Sees all" Frank making accusations of a Wolfson fix on Sunday, January 29, and leaped into their Time Machine to go back in time to before the contest to put a rule in place to negate any benefit to the Wolfsons of doing what you accused them of doing.

Now I really am going to bed.
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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2006, 12:57:53 AM »

But it still is a wonderful thing at Hawthorne Qualifers. McManus will allow Kasperski to play even though he has 8 horses running in 4 different tournament races. LIFE IS FAIR.
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« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2006, 06:40:03 AM »

I don't know if anybody mentioned this earlier but Miesque's Approval was a raceday scratch last weekend. I had bet him and had a scratch to cash. When the form listed reason for scratch it just said "trainer". Don't ask if I had the good wisdom to play him back on Saturday, he was in against a much tougher group on paper. Does this sound like an excuse for not catching a huge payoff because I was cautious when I should have had the b---s to go back and get him again? Martin Wolfson kind of reminds me of the late J R Smith sr. he isn't afraid to step way up with a horse and sometimes gets shocking results. He also doesn't ship around the country too much but when he does,watch out, horses he ships are usually very LIVE.
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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2006, 06:49:38 AM »

The above post should have read sratched by "stewards" not trainer
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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2006, 08:18:31 AM »

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But it still is a wonderful thing at Hawthorne Qualifers. McManus will allow Kasperski to play even though he has 8 horses running in 4 different tournament races. LIFE IS FAIR.

Let me go on the record and be perfectly clear.  I welcome Joe into any contest that I'm in, especially if he's going to be dumb enough to play his own horses.

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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2006, 11:25:28 AM »

Let me go on the record and be perfectly clear.  I welcome Joe into any contest that I'm in, especially if he's going to be dumb enough to play his own horses.

I have only been at one Hawthorne contest where Joe was playing and had a horse running that day. He went up to Scott and told him what he was going to do in that race, and Scott told everyone else.
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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2006, 12:45:17 PM »

Is it legal for a trainer or owner to bet against his own horse? I know it isn't parimutually - but would that hold over to contests as well? I would think that it should not be allowed- especially if contests continue to mushroom like they have the last few years.

Reading through the Form that listed the field for the finals, I would venture a guess that 35 percent of the contestants are somehow owners or trainers or relatives of owners and trainers. And all these people qualified somewhere else, and probably tried to qualify many times or places before they did - so I think the conflict comes up more often than it would appear to. The main reason from what I understand of the whole finals and ntra involvement is to publicize what a great game it is - and when you end up with Wolfsons always up there or thier best friend Jamie Michaelson you may end up giving the impression that you need to be an insider to do well in this game and that might be self defeating of the entire intent.

Also, as another note, John Frank is always complaining about relatives winning etc, etc. Looking through the entries it seems that there are alot of wifes, girlfriends, cousins etc. etc. in the finals.
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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2006, 12:56:06 PM »

Is it legal for a trainer or owner to bet against his own horse? I know it isn't parimutually - but would that hold over to contests as well? I would think that it should not be allowed- especially if contests continue to mushroom like they have the last few years.

I guess it depends on the contest. Form what RSR said they pay attention to these things at the NTRA contest. Contests like are run at Hawthorne and, I assume Arlington, they don't even ask. Though, for some odd reason, a few years back when Sportsman's or Hawthorne had their online survivor contest, anyone who was an owner or horseman was not allowed to play at all.

A question for RSR - What was the NTRA rule if the contestant had an interest in a horse that was in a "mandatory" race?

That's usually the situation that comes up in the local contests, as all the races are mandatory. What do you do then, force the guy to totally pass the race, or make the wager on his own horse even if he doesn't like it?
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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2006, 01:26:52 PM »

I do know some contests forbid it but I was thinking more on whether IRB rules or whatever locale the race is in forbid it. They obviously don't allow an owner or trainer to bet through a window against thier own, I don't think they should allow them to "bet" through a contest against thier own.
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2006, 01:47:59 PM »

I do know some contests forbid it but I was thinking more on whether IRB rules or whatever locale the race is in forbid it. They obviously don't allow an owner or trainer to bet through a window against thier own, I don't think they should allow them to "bet" through a contest against thier own.

I don't know if State law gives the IRB jurisdiction over the rules of contests. As long as the licensee observes the law about contestants getting back as much $ in freebies as their entry fee. (Which is going to be interesting, what Hawthorne is going to give away that will be worth $200.)

I wouldn't agree with contests forcing owners and horsemen to bet their own horse. What if you entered the race and it came up way tougher than you expected? OTOH, you can't keep them from betting anything in the race if it is a mandatory. You could keep them out of all contests altogether, but then you'd have contests with about 30 people in them.

My suggestion would be for the contest to make every horseman declare before the contest, and if he has a horse of interest in the contest that day, make public what he is going to do in regard to his horse, for or against.

Of course that still wouldn't be perfect, because if he said he was betting against his horse, and it then won at long odds, he'd be accused of intentionally steering people off his horse so his buddy the Maven could cash, or something like that. Someone will always find something to *** about when they lose handicapping contests, because the possibility that they just aren't a very good handicapper, or they just had a bad day, is inconceivable for most horseplayers. Especially ones who declare themselves the best in the world and who, presumably, would be raking in the dough hand over fist IF ONLY it wasn't for all the cheaters of the world out there holding them back.
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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2006, 02:16:03 PM »

Hawthorne is supposedly giving a season pass worth 300 bucks to all entrants (lot of good it will do people travelling in - probably the reason behind it).
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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2006, 02:26:24 PM »

Hawthorne is supposedly giving a season pass worth 300 bucks to all entrants (lot of good it will do people travelling in - probably the reason behind it).

I don't know about that. Supposedly the $200 contest is limited to 250 participants, but only 100 of those spots are for sale / paid, presumably by locals. The other 150 are reserved for the weekly contest Top 3 (19 x 3), and then who knows who else, like maybe good Hawthorne or OTB customers, good customers from other tracks, and friends of friends. They've been using the weekly contests as "thank you" promotions for good customers as it is, at least there's been players signing in same time as me who didn't have to pay the $20 because they had management invitations. A good idea, I think.

Speaking of those $200 spots, still plenty left, as of last Saturday.
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« Reply #50 on: January 30, 2006, 02:58:49 PM »

Is this linked to the NTRA as a qualifer? it doesn't seem to mention that anywhere that I saw anyways. or is it just a nice pot to go after locally.
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« Reply #51 on: January 30, 2006, 03:03:46 PM »

Is this linked to the NTRA as a qualifer? it doesn't seem to mention that anywhere that I saw anyways. or is it just a nice pot to go after locally.

There's some question as to whether Hawthrone will be fielding any NTRA teams in 2006. There's been a rumor that instead of this being their Spring NTRA qualifier, the winner(s) might get a trip to the big Orleans contest in Vegas instead. All rumors, you know how racetracks are.
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« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2006, 05:03:05 PM »

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No.  The spring contest is just a cash money tournament.  Hawthorne plans to drop out of the NTRA from everything I hear.

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« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2006, 08:09:38 PM »

I was looking around for tourneys that might be a nice trip to and was reading Laurels rules and they forbid any owner or trainer who has an interest in a race from playing it.

http://www.laurelpark.com/NR/rdonlyres/A6DD4850-E31A-4350-B4D8-C29E8D4B7B7C/11710/ChampionsRegistration_Web1.pdf
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« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2006, 08:28:57 PM »

I was looking around for tourneys that might be a nice trip to and was reading Laurels rules and they forbid any owner or trainer who has an interest in a race from playing it.

From playing that one race. It doesn't say what happens if they have a horse in a race that's a mandatory race. Of course, these rules don't say anything about mandatory races, either, just a pool of races from eligible tracks.

Laurel is not a "nice trip", by the way. A very ordinary, somewhat run down facility, in a very ordinary suburb.

Colonial Downs would be a nice trip if you are looking at that part of the country.
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« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2006, 08:34:45 PM »

Thanks for the heads up, I haven't been in that area since my 8th Grade Field trip. I would like to play in a few tourneys this year - I didn't manage to get to any in 2005 - the real money ones intrigue me a bit more than the regular ones.
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« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2006, 08:49:55 PM »

I went to Laurel last month and the place is not that bad. Plenty of free seats and free tv boxes. Nice simo facility. If you like Hawthorne you should not mind Laurel. The suburb is quite run down but you are only 20-30 minutes from DC. I agree, Colonial is nicer but it is closer to Richmond than DC.
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« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2006, 07:11:39 AM »

Thanks for the heads up, I haven't been in that area since my 8th Grade Field trip. I would like to play in a few tourneys this year - I didn't manage to get to any in 2005 - the real money ones intrigue me a bit more than the regular ones.
Don't tell me that you too got to go to colonial Williamsburg on your 8th grade field trip ?  I still have photos (for blackmail purposes-LOL) from that trip.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2006, 10:00:01 AM »

Thats the trip - I think half the 8th Graders in Illinois end up going on that, I guess your trip wasn't too well supervised either from the pictures comment.
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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2006, 03:56:44 PM »

makes sense david some of these people use girlfriends relatives friends or whoever as a way of getting extra entries into a contest, and whats even funnier is when most do they still cant win. BTW john some1 from that message board that ya hate so much(espn) finished 40 somethin in the drf finals
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