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Author Topic: Today's Daily Debate Question for Thursday, January 26th  (Read 1682 times)
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« on: January 26, 2006, 08:10:40 AM »

Good morning: 

       Today's question was sent to me by another poster. They would like to know:

          If slot machines were installed at the racetrack tomorrow morning, would you abandon horse wagering and play the slots instead?

      Thanks for all of your opinions and posts on the Q of the day. It has made for some interesting discussion.  Have a great Thursday everyone.

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Joseph M. Dakuras
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2006, 08:16:30 AM »

Absolutely NOT


Slot machines are for maroon


The people who play slot machines have a snow ball chance in hell to win.

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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2006, 08:35:49 AM »

I like to play slut machines.
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2006, 08:40:11 AM »

I don't like to play the slots, but that would probably get my wife out to the track a lot more. It surely couldn't hurt the purses. Another purse cut or two will mean if you are worse than second you owe the johnstons money! screw
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2006, 08:40:54 AM »

Absolutely NOT


Slot machines are for maroon


The people who play slot machines have a snow ball chance in hell to win.

Kenneth J. Chadwick
Unfortunately, it's not about winning, it's about the action. 
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 08:43:39 AM »

sorry, I meant slot machines. good morning Joe.
But slot machines shouldnt be at the tracks. Harness players are much different than slot machine players. Harness players like games of skill and not chance. Keno, sluts, video poker, are all games of chance and you have no shot.
Football betting, horses, and INTERNET POKER ARE GAMES OF SKILL AND SHOULD BE AT THE TRACKS. ( 9 MILLION A DAY OF ILLINOIS PLAYERS PLAYING INTERNET POKER GOES TO POCKETS OUTSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES). 250,000,000 A DAY IN THE WORLD IS BET ON INTERNET POKER, WE RECEIVE A BIG FAT ZERO. Is there anybody who has brains to see this. There is one man I know and thats Mike Vandeheede, he will be the savior of Illinois Harness Racing. He will fix everything for all of us. Mike........ IS THE MAN....... get to know him.  
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 08:52:42 AM »

first of all joe..thanx for the kind words about my post on the other thread... when my lady friend and i go to windsor raceway for a nite full of entertainment... she goes to the slots.. i go to the windows.. and we dont see each other until one of us goes bust .. i dont think that true harness players would dabble with the slots .. not saying that i dont do casinos cuz i do.. but given the choice..  skill over chance any day of the week... after all 35 years of playing races gives you insight.. 35 years of playing slots.. gives you hindsight..that being..dont play slots..
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2006, 10:02:24 AM »

I think the only way I would ever play, is if I was having a tough day at the races and try to change things up and throw $5-10 in and see what happens, but then I would be right back to the races. In MA, we are trying to get the legislature to pass the bill to install 2,000 slot machines to help save racing in MA, otherwise within 2-5 years, without slot machines, this state will no longer have racing. Everyone out here flocks to Foxwoods and Mohegan sun in CT and pours dollars into that state. Trust me I have been down to both and it is joke how many MA license plates are down there. Great question again. Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2006, 10:36:07 AM »

John,

Those were very kind words.  True we are working with some people to get poker (Texas hold-em)  into the tracks
and otb's.  The games would be owned by the state and ran by each track. People would only
be playing against people in IL.  It is a game of skill so the passing of legislation should be much
easier than slots.

Like I said we have a few key senators and some very big lobbiest working on this project.  The
technology is pattented and very impressive.  There are several meetings planned with key
industry people, starting as soon as next week.

I will keep everyone posted on how we are doing.  If all goes well we could be playing
poker at the tracks and otb's next year sometime.  The people working on the legislation
are pro horsemen.  There will be a huge slant toward the horsemen. 

I know for a long time people thought I was just talking  DO-DO but we really have something here.
I have been told that this technology has the best shot so far to get passed.  The release of this
information was not suppose to come out yet but there it is.  Wish us LUCK. 

Mike VanDeHeede
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2006, 10:50:58 AM »

Heede,

Good luck...and thanks for the efforts!

John,

The omelets are getting cold from our scheduled breakfast meeting, although I have been waiting patiently for about 3 weeks now I am beginning to get just a little discouraged thinking you might not actually show up.

Joe,

I believe that horse players are horse players and slot lovers are just that.  It has always been my belief that we would not lose many existing horse bettors to the one armed bandits (I guess they don't even have arms anymore, but they are still bandits...and I don't understand the appeal).  It is also my belief that any comparisons made between Chicago and Dover are apples and oranges.  Even though we are down, Chicago still has an existing fan base that far exceeds Dover.  When critics of the slots proposals point to Dover's emphasis of slots over races it is misleading because Dover never had a legitimate racing program before slots.

Keep up the good work with the topics...this one should generate some serious discussion.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2006, 10:54:45 AM »

First and formost the legislature needs to eliminate the recapture in Illinois, I know of no other state that allows this. House bill 0293 does just that . Then we need a very good policy in reguards to how the revenue is split with the horseman for slots.    
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2006, 01:45:48 PM »

Joe

        Sometimes I ask myself why do I even bother playing horses when I live in Vegas where slot machines are all over the place.

        I can even stop and play slots when I make a pit stop for gas because every gas station has slots machines. Even when I go to the supermarket I can play a few slots before I leave the store.

       Oh yes Joe, they just give money away when you play slots. So, why should people play horses if they put slot machines in at the track? If the Johnston's get slots at the track they better plan on keeping alot of money in the cage because those slot machines are set to pay out jackpots every 30 minutes. And don't believe it when people say Vegas was built off of slot machines because it's just not true. Vegas was built because of guys like Jordan who come to the Bellagio and drop 2 million at the tables.

       Walk into any casino or riverboat and you will see people leaving with so much money in their pockets from winning off the slots that you have to wonder why people even work when you can play slots and live like King Tut.

         
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2006, 02:48:25 PM »

I believe you are wrong about this add up all the slot losses against the whales the slot will win more for the casino because the player cant win in the long run . The whale has a chance to beat you big .
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2006, 03:16:31 PM »

Joe

        Sometimes I ask myself why do I even bother playing horses when I live in Vegas where slot machines are all over the place.

        I can even stop and play slots when I make a pit stop for gas because every gas station has slots machines. Even when I go to the supermarket I can play a few slots before I leave the store.

       Oh yes Joe, they just give money away when you play slots. So, why should people play horses if they put slot machines in at the track? If the Johnston's get slots at the track they better plan on keeping alot of money in the cage because those slot machines are set to pay out jackpots every 30 minutes. And don't believe it when people say Vegas was built off of slot machines because it's just not true. Vegas was built because of guys like Jordan who come to the Bellagio and drop 2 million at the tables.

       Walk into any casino or riverboat and you will see people leaving with so much money in their pockets from winning off the slots that you have to wonder why people even work when you can play slots and live like King Tut.

         



Dan, please I think you want to play the role of a contrarian.


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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2006, 03:44:40 PM »

I think Dan has a knack for the Sarcasm, . I think that Slots at the track may be good if the purses are helped, (good luck with that ) They make it a nice place to play to be compareable to the riverboat. (good luck with that) and how about every time a horseperson is playing and those Jackpot lights and whistles go on, there will be five guys from the backstretch wanting to borrow five bucks from him! ..and say.....I'll pay you back TOMMORROW!     (Good luck with that !)
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2006, 04:23:16 PM »

http://www.chicagoflame.com/media/paper519/news/2003/10/28/Opinions/Letters.To.The.Editor-539738.shtml
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2006, 05:18:56 PM »

I don't need machines to pick losers for me. I am very capable of doing that myself. If slots are the last straw to save racing i'm for it only if its etched in stone that the horsemen and women will run for good purses. I still believe racing can make a come back without slots with a few adjustments. Managment has to deal with credibility issues and an all out assault with new marketing plans in that order.
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2006, 11:17:56 AM »

Dan, We both have been around this game for many many years and I value what you have to say. I can remember when we had tracks all over Illinois Washington park,Sportsmans park, quad city downs and Aurora downs and they were all doing very well.So did the river boats take away that many people or did management chase them away?
People can talk all they want about the quality of horses here but I think Illinois breds can and do compete with the best in the country!   
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