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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2005, 02:38:45 PM »

EW, forget about it!!! dont listen to Paul, I'm telling you first hand at those sales its all about getting the owners cash !!!! period!!
Dont get me wrong I'm not saying that Robin does this at all SHE DOES NOT I'm talking about other guys, the guys that work the sales every year that train for big time buyers and prominent owners that know nothing about racing.
All the farms like han. ect. want to do is get their babbys out there to the best trainers so they have a good chance of getting them to the races. The more that make the track the more people will buy (ledgitimentally) from that farm.
I have seen one trainer make a deal with a farm to overpay for a well bred yearling with a defect just to get the publicity with the understanding that a $50,000 credit would be given to the trainer to pick out whatever he wanted for himself. He bought the colt for $175,000 bought 2 others for $25,000 ( that he never paid a dime for) and sold those two to other owners and stiil got to train them and collect a training bill!!!!

Things go on that you grandstand guys cant even imagine!!!
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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2005, 02:47:28 PM »

I was curious about this.  I've noticed some interesting bidding patterns at some of the auctions I've attended...

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EW:
Some of the stuff that goes on would make your hair stand on end. Consignor bid-ins to jack up the prices, buy backs through hidden agents, unannounced reserves, post auction private resales, etc. It is jungle out there. Cheesy But, everyone who is been in the business for more than 15 minutes knows it and tries to sniff out any funny stuff surrounding the horses he is bidding on.

Private sales of horses are no better. Dual agents representing both buyer and seller, and getting a commission from both, unbeknownst to either. Old and new trainers each reaching in a for a piece of the pie by telling the prior owner that the horse sold for less than the new owner actually paid. (Watch out if your asked to write out more than one check when you're buying a horse.  Wink)

The Nances won't be blowing the lid off of anything for the people who are actually in the business. They are just posturing and strutting like peacocks for the purpose of impressing what they like to call the "goofs."  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2005, 02:52:40 PM »

EW, forget about it!!! dont listen to Paul, I'm telling you first hand at those sales its all about getting the owners cash !!!! period!!
Dont get me wrong I'm not saying that Robin does this at all SHE DOES NOT I'm talking about other guys, the guys that work the sales every year that train for big time buyers and prominent owners that know nothing about racing.
All the farms like han. ect. want to do is get their babbys out there to the best trainers so they have a good chance of getting them to the races. The more that make the track the more people will buy (ledgitimentally) from that farm.
I have seen one trainer make a deal with a farm to overpay for a well bred yearling with a defect just to get the publicity with the understanding that a $50,000 credit would be given to the trainer to pick out whatever he wanted for himself. He bought the colt for $175,000 bought 2 others for $25,000 ( that he never paid a dime for) and sold those two to other owners and stiil got to train them and collect a training bill!!!!

Things go on that you grandstand guys cant even imagine!!!

SN:
Have you bothered to actually read anything I've written? Did I say it wasn't about getting the owners cash? Anyone who sells anything in this world is trying to get the buyer's cash!

I also said that the things you are talking about do go on! That, however, does not mean that the sale of every horse, or even the majority of horses, or even anything more than a small minority of horses sold are shady deals.

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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2005, 03:01:22 PM »

Your only addmitting to it now that I have said it Paul!!! You Said to go call Murray Brown!!! no such thing happens!!! now you're changing your tune. look I'm not saying that DN and Myself are the only ones that know about this kind of stuff!!! I'm saying we are the only ones that will TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!! other people are affraid to talk about it. DN and myself WILL blow the lid of harness racing in JD's book!!! And the ONLY purpose will be to try to better the game for everyone involved. People should know THE TRUTH about what goes on good or bad!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2005, 03:07:51 PM »

No, SN, I am saying it now after you've insisted on exaggerating everything. And I still say you should talk to Murray Brown, in case you really think that MOST of their yearlings are pre-sold.
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2005, 03:11:04 PM »

Maybe I'll just have JD put in print the record of deals between JS, MB, and Val d' or farms!!!!
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2005, 03:24:15 PM »

Boy I can't wait until this tell all book comes out!!!!!
Will it come out the same time *** Bros. Inc. come back to save Illinois harness racing???
Paul, as for impressing the "goofs" they've called me a "goof" a million times.
They don't impress me at all.
They didn't impress me when they were training horses either.
I can't wait until they "blow the lid off of harness racing"!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2005, 03:39:23 PM »

Boy I sure hope it comes out at that time!!!! were not trying to impress anyone we just "TELL IT LIKE IT IS" dont you get it yet???
We dont care what anybody thinks!!!

Oh and by the way, when we whirl into town you will see who the only "CLAIMING KINGS" are!!!!!
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« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2005, 03:42:32 PM »

Farrington was the Claiming King before Rambling Willie.
When he came back to Chicago after Willie, he became the Claiming King again.
You don't fit into that picture ***.
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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2005, 03:47:01 PM »

Sure he was!!! show me an article that said the "REDMAN' was the "Claiming King" and then I will produce a real story from Kim Rinker that named the REAL "CLAIMING KING"!!!!
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2005, 03:49:31 PM »

Was the article retracted after your troubles started?
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2005, 03:56:39 PM »

Your wrong!!!! it was well after!!! 1984 was our trouble, we won 100's of races after that!!! but then again you knew that cause you were a guest handicapper and acually picked a couple of our winners!!!
that sure was a nice haircut you had did you get that at Ronnies barber?Huh
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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2005, 03:58:08 PM »

Hey ***!
Three words for you.
GET SOME HELP!!!!!!!
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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2005, 04:02:27 PM »

Hey Ghoster
three words for you

JUST GO AWAY!!!!
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« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2005, 11:03:08 PM »

Here is the website link to get the accurate figures just go to about us
and they list all their three year olds starts money earned etc.

http://oddsonracing.com/

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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2005, 02:57:12 AM »

If Dana is losing his ass racing in Illinois,he certainly won't have to pay Illinois income tax as a result.
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2005, 11:09:13 AM »

Paul you are wrong once again!!! Robin has already been on a buying spree at Hanover and Perretti farms and will be at Harrisburg in a couple weeks with "Guns" Blazin!!!!
You are forgeting money is no object!!! its all about fun fun fun!!!!

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Thought I'd just tweak you a bit on this one.  Grin

In going through the Harrisburg yearling sale results, unless I missed something, it looks like Robin only bought two horses, one for $100,000, and one for $62,000. Hardly "guns blazing", is it, given that Odds On has spent more than $1 million on babies in some years in the past.

The horses were bought in Robin's own name, not as agent, and not in the Odds On name, so who knows if they're even for Parham...she could have bought them for herself.
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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2005, 11:42:51 AM »

they are pulling a buggie she did not to to sell at the sale
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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2005, 12:26:35 PM »

TC:
Earlier this year, I crunched a few numbers for their yearling purchases. I can't find them right now, but suffice it say the results were frighteningly bad. In total, the horses they bought at the sales had only earned back a fraction of their purchase price (including ones that already were 4 and in their third year of racing). Add in training costs, stakes payments and a couple of million in capital expenditures to build the farm, and you're talking major financial disaster. Is it a surprise that they totally disappeared from the yearling market last year? My guess is you won't be seeing much of them at Harrisburg over the next week, either. Dana Parham could have gotten a better ROI by putting all his cash in a bank that was going to get knocked over by Willie Sutton ten minutes after he made the deposit.



NJ, I have heard from someone who is a reliable source that she (ROBIN) is not liked at the horse sales, hard to believe with the money she spends but when she pays big money for good bred babies and does so bad with them or they dont even make it the races they are not happy. I HEARD that makes the breeders very unhappy. This is from a very good trainer that is not making this stuff up. You know some trainers and breeders that attend these sales so see what they say about this.

We all know that she does not have money to spend of her own to buy these high priced yearlings. COM'ON GET REAL!!!

Just remember this line in Hotel California Song (it fits in the harness racing business

There's lots of shady characters and lots of dirty deals
Every name's an alias in case somebody squeals
It's the lure of easy money, Its got a very strong appeal
Perhaps you'd understand it better standing in her shoes
It's the ultimate enticement, it's the horseracing sale blues 8) 8)

Also having seen the results (or lack there of) of Robin's racing at the Meadowlands, my only possible conclusion is that this could be the worst large scale operation in the history of harness racing. She must be totally clueless either as a trainer, stable manager, or both.
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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2005, 12:49:04 PM »

Nances-

What yearlings did you ever buy? At which vendues were you ever significant players?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that those Kentucky hardboots would turn you boys inside out if you actually had the balls or the cash to play the yearling game yourselves.
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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2005, 12:56:39 PM »

Nances-

What yearlings did you ever buy? At which vendues were you ever significant players?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that those Kentucky hardboots would turn you boys inside out if you actually had the balls or the cash to play the yearling game yourselves.

No, didn't buy many yearlings at VENDUES. Are yearlings were home bred by a few of our owners.

    Besides, we never had owners with DEEP pockets who ran OFFSHORE REBATE SHOPS.
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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2005, 01:19:37 PM »

So how is it that you are experts about something you have no first-hand knowledge about? Seems to me you're just a couple of GOOFS spouting off.

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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2005, 01:30:18 PM »

So how is it that you are experts about something you have no first-hand knowledge about? Seems to me you're just a couple of GOOFS spouting off.



What do we have no first-hand knowledge about? We've been through it all pal. Sales included.

    You're the goof for stealing my claim to fame. I'm the " Claiming King " find your own damn name. GOOF!!
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2005, 02:12:59 PM »

What yearlings have you ever purchased at one of the major vendues? You know, like Old Glory or Liberty Bell or Harrisburg or Tattersalls or Ky. Standardbred. I'm not talking about a piece of shit you got from some hillbilly in Joppa or a cripple Rudie Hendricks pawned off on your no-trainin' ass.
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« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2005, 02:19:49 PM »

What yearlings have you ever purchased at one of the major vendues? You know, like Old Glory or Liberty Bell or Harrisburg or Tattersalls or Ky. Standardbred. I'm not talking about a piece of shit you got from some hillbilly in Joppa or a cripple Rudie Hendricks pawned off on your no-trainin' ass.

So, I'm a no-trainin' ass am I? Tell me hotshot how many lifetime wins do you have? What have you ever done. NOTHING, or you wouldn't be stealing my name and would be posting under your real name like I do if you accomplished anything in this business.

    Get lost bustout!!!! You're not worth my time you no-trainin' ass.
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