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Author Topic: Today's Daily Debate question for Wednesday January, 11th  (Read 8972 times)
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2006, 02:34:01 PM »

Joe and Dan,

Get a room!!

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2006, 02:40:22 PM »

Burton:

     Sorry to go off topic but I was simply addressing Dan's question. I believe he was very surprised about why I choose his brother and him as my favorite trainers.

     I have no idea when you are referring to when you post, "get a room", because I am happily married and not interested in any not homosexual affairs. If you are offering, you'll have to try another poster on here who might be gay or interested, but not me. Does that clear things up for you?

     Now stop posting more non-harness racing related stuff on this thread, okay?

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2006, 02:48:09 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2006, 02:53:11 PM »

Joe,

I was just making a kind hearted joke.
No harm intended.
I like the daily topics.
Keep them coming.

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2006, 02:56:05 PM »

Dan:

     I chose your brother and you because after being around every single Illinois racetrack backside for over 20 years, I developed a great understanding of who the successful, hard working, ethical trainers were/are. I know Scott better than you but did have the pleasure of watching the both of you guys become top-notch trainers in a very short time.  

     Dan, I think you would agree that I have been around this game as long as anyone and remember horses, horsemen and people like an elephant. I feel that I am as qualified as anybody when it comes to Illinois harness talk because I lived the life for over 20 years. I can tell you that I know who are the real trainers/drivers, who takes good care of their horses, who are the bums and thieves, who does not feed or give proper care to their horses and on and on... I know damn well that Scotty and you were near the top and impressed me enough to consider you guys as my favorites.

     It all about personal preference and you guys proved to me that you understood the business, had a tremendous work ethic, and were always willing to help any horsemen who was down on their luck. I'll say this until the day I die; The IRB has no idea what they did to the sport by suspending your brother and pissing you guys off to the point of never racing here again. The sport in Illinois desperately needs people like your brother and you. What Langley, the Johnston’s, and IRB don’t realize is that there are not going to be very many people applying for a driver/trainer/owners license in Illinois because of the treatment of certain horsemen before them. People like you guys, others and myself are not being replaced with new trainers. I spoke to Theresa Ledford yesterday and she said that her and Rick are getting out. The list is getting larger with no replacements leading me to believe that sooner or later we are going to have about 10 or 20 trainers left. Look at what has happened here.

      I understand the economics of the whole picture but when the IRB and Langley suspend, chase out, or harass industry contributors like you guys for example, it sends a negative message to everyone from the fans to the horsemen that there are different rules being established for different participants, and they are being enforced however they see fit. This has been a major problem that dates back to the 80’s that I someday hope will get resolved.

    So Dan, don't be surprised by the fact that I chose your brother and you as my favorite trainers because unlike many posters on this forum, I was there to see how you guys operated and your success. Besides being great trainers, Scotty and you were first class guys who would help a groom, trainer, or driver who was down on their luck. That speaks volumes in my opinion and I will always be happy to call the both of you guys my friends.

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Joseph M. Dakuras
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Joe

        Thank you for the kind and truthful words. Like you said you hardly know me so you have no reason to say what you posted unless that's the way you feel.

        As you can see there are some posters that can't stand it when someone like you tells the truth about trainers like SN and I. Well, that's ok with me because these people are nobody's in the game and have never accomplished a thing as a trainer or driver. If they did they would be proud and be posting under their real name like you and I do.

        Joe, I do want to say that in all fairness I always felt that you were also a damn good trainer. I know you have a few hundred wins to your credit and you did it with mostly cheap claimers. I also know who are the true horseman of this game. Not like some trainers who have started batting .400 and winning trainers titles because of the vets they keep close to their side. Go ask Steve Ginder what he thinks of one of his former trainers who he claims is NOTHING without his vet. If the goofs around today want to think that these guys are such great horseman then it's fine with me because you and I both know better.

P.S.
       I'm waiting for another very ggod horseman to show back up at the Big M. wherever he's at. And that's Kevin Johnson. I was stabled next to Kevin and Becky at Maywood back in 1995 when he came to Chicago from Michigan. Kevin knows his shit about horses and so does Becky. I love betting him at the Big M. because I know he sends his horses out fit and ready to win. I can't recall Kevin ever getting a positive test either. He's another trainer that got fed up with Chicago and went east.  
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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2006, 03:00:16 PM »

Joe,

I was just making a kind hearted joke.
No harm intended.
I like the daily topics.
Keep them coming.



Burton:

    Thanks, no big deal. I was kind of confused and really did not know what you were tying to say. LOL. I was like, wow, this guy must think I'm gay or something. I don't believe that I ever met you so I was not sure what you might have been told about me. LOL

    Take care and I'm glad you enjoy the daily topics. By the way, if you have any suggestions that you would like to discuss feel free to post them or I/M me and I will gladly do it for you.

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                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2006, 03:08:59 PM »

I had 2 farorite trainers. One was Mike Borys because he sold me " Sir Render " unraced and only in 2:12 for $12,000 cash money because he had " Hothead " and didn't think " Sir " was much stock. They were both 3 yr olds. Sir Render went on to beat " Hothead " twice that year and was the only Illinois bred to defeat " Hothead " twice.

    My other favorite trainer was " Red " Buch. Red was a great guy who would help anyone out. When Red told you you could bet his horse that night you could be damn sure he would win or get beat in a photo by a nose.

    One of my favorite horses was " Jim King.. Bob " Cannonball " Decker would drive the big horse like a Cadilac.

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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2006, 03:11:07 PM »

FAVORITE TRAINERS IRA SMOLIN AND BRITEWELL THE PATATOE FARMER  FAVORITE DRIVER DUNCAN PRICE   FAVORITE HORSE ADDABOY ADDISON & CHRIS PLAYBOY AND SURVIVOR!!!! Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2006, 03:23:03 PM »

Favorite Trainer -Ken Ruker

Favorite Driver - Daryl Busse

Favorite Horse - Taser Gun
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2006, 03:37:43 PM »

Favorite Driver- Bob Farrington

Favorite Horse-Ramblin Willie
 
Favorite trainer-None
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2006, 03:40:07 PM »

What about Graham's Goose Filter? Saying he was an Illinois bred! He was a Strike Out. I remember picking up a claimed horse off of him at Hawthorne. He was furious. Throwing stuff everywhere and screaming "you can't claim off of me" I just laughed and asked him if he was Jesus. That p#ssed him off even more. Even the big guy that worked for him was laughing.
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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2006, 03:41:07 PM »


[/qIuote]DAN  ithought i would just read yourdumb ass comments and laugh.
BUT after reading.How much you respect RED BUCH. Ihave to goahead and
let everyone in on a few things RED BUCH was a brutal PIECE OF SHIT. hIS
method of training was toSTALLTRAIN his horses he would beat them with BASEBALLBATS  WHIPS  HEADPOLES  PITCHFORKS WHERE is your INTEGERY
NOW  The only time YOU or REDBUCH  did well waswhen DR.BENFIELD was
still THEKING OF PRERACEING AND WITHOUT YOUR MOMMYS LOTTERYMONEY YOU WOULD'NT be in VEGAS YOU'D BE IN JAIL
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2006, 03:41:49 PM »

ha my favrite horse is prairie fox.trainer is jim buscarini.favrite driver is dan knox-rip.you culdnt touch that three with a stick.anyone who says price is wrong not rite lol.tell him to put more die in hair to look less then 80 lol.too use words of steamed posters on here goof is duncan.2nd favrite horse is dominator plus.clegg is trainer and driver.to bad evil ladie culdnt get horse too go one step lol.truth
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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2006, 03:43:49 PM »

My top 10 are:    TIMELYS BEST MAN
                        SUNNIE TAR
                         SANDRA LIL
                         CHAD E CARLTON
                         SPEEDY DELIVERY
                         SUSAN DIANE
                         TIME TICKS BYE
                         CONSTANT COMBAT
                         SHOE FACTORY BOY
                         EGYPTIAN SANDMAN

Trainers:
                         DICK KURTZWORTH
                         MARK SILVA
                         TEAM ***
                         GREG JACOBSON
                         CHARLIE FARBER
                         PAT CROWE
                         GARY MC MAHON
                         BRUCE NICKELLS
                         STAN BAYLESS
                         MARK O'MARA
Drivers:
                         JIM DOLBEE
                         JOE O'BRIEN
                         JIM DENNIS
                         JOHN REESE
                         BEA FARBER
                         JOE ANDERSON
                         TERRY TOMLIN
                         DAN KNOX
                         MARK O'MARA
                         TIM CURTAIN  
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« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2006, 03:46:04 PM »

Dan,

   I can think of a few horses they did quite well with before their positives. Why such negativity?  Doesn't detract from the fact they were good horsemen and did very well.  I stand behind what I said....Tom was a great horse conditioner and Jerry was a great driver.
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« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2006, 03:47:15 PM »

Trainer   Jim Knowlton
Horse     Head Viking
Groom     Jim  Busco   Todd Dolbee


Trainer    Erv  Brian P
Horse      S H REVRAC
Driver      Eric Ledford

Track   SPK

Judge   John Eddy
Vet       Bennefield     Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked



guess who  ?

Biggest score  with Scott *** at ARL OTB
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« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2006, 03:51:01 PM »

What about Graham's Goose Filter? Saying he was an Illinois bred! He was a Strike Out. I remember picking up a claimed horse off of him at Hawthorne. He was furious. Throwing stuff everywhere and screaming "you can't claim off of me" I just laughed and asked him if he was Jesus. That p#ssed him off even more. Even the big guy that worked for him was laughing.

He must have said that because he knew he was using " Sublimaze " and knew you weren't going too.
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« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2006, 04:07:23 PM »

My top 10 are:    TIMELYS BEST MAN
                        SUNNIE TAR
                         SANDRA LIL
                         CHAD E CARLTON
                         SPEEDY DELIVERY
                         SUSAN DIANE
                         TIME TICKS BYE
                         CONSTANT COMBAT
                         SHOE FACTORY BOY
                         EGYPTIAN SANDMAN

Trainers:
                         DICK KURTZWORTH
                         MARK SILVA
                         TEAM ***
                         GREG JACOBSON
                         CHARLIE FARBER
                         PAT CROWE
                         GARY MC MAHON
                         BRUCE NICKELLS
                         STAN BAYLESS
                         MARK O'MARA
Drivers:
                         JIM DOLBEE
                         JOE O'BRIEN
                         JIM DENNIS
                         JOHN REESE
                         BEA FARBER
                         JOE ANDERSON
                         TERRY TOMLIN
                         DAN KNOX
                         MARK O'MARA
                         TIM CURTAIN  
i[ do beleive bea and charlie farber are from michigan bea farber..by far the best woman to ever get in the bike
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« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2006, 04:08:33 PM »

Dan,

   I can think of a few horses they did quite well with before their positives. Why such negativity?  Doesn't detract from the fact they were good horsemen and did very well.  I stand behind what I said....Tom was a great horse conditioner and Jerry was a great driver.

Well Donna, let me explain it to you this way. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. What I mean by that is WE (SN and I ) did quite well BEFORE and AFTER Scott's problem with the Dennis Bowen M99 positive scandle just like the Graham's did before their " Sublimaze " scandle. But, all I ever hear about is the positives my brother had at one meet at Hawthorne in 1984. I don't see anyone saying that the *** boys won hundreds of races before and after the M99 scandle and never had positive tests other then those that SN had at Hawthorne. One thing I do know, I/we went on to win hundreds of races after the M99 scandle while I remember Jerry going straight downhill after his " Sublimaze " days were over. What happened Donna, why didn't Jerry remain a dominant force after he got busted? The Grahams weren't much after the " Sublimaze " days were over. But, unlike them I/we continued to win hundreds of races after 1984 and the M99 scandle.  But, since Jerry had " Smashing Don " and some other monsters that people remember then that's makes him a great horseman and everyone forgets about all the " Sublimaze " positives, and there were many. Sorry, if I " Tell it like it is ".  
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« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2006, 04:30:02 PM »

Well Dan,
   

    I used to live on Grahams farm years ago and I know what they did as far as working and conditioning.  They had a great stable...not just a couple of good ones.  Rusty Knight,Smashing Don, Gulliver, Minis Racer, Sammy Tar(at the time highest claimer ever at the Big M), Loretta Jane, Misty Raquel, Misty Misty, the horse they sold overseas Buzz On (or Off ), and all of Fliters babies.  King Fliter, Queen Filter, Goose.  I don't care if everyone says he is a Strike Out or a Fliter he was still one tough race horse.

   I don't know why they didn't race more after that...maybe because of all their oil wells, or maybe they just got tired of all the bullshit. There were more postives at the time other than Jerry's.  Some supposedly went by the wayside.
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« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2006, 04:37:30 PM »

Horse:  Ironworks
Driver:  Dave McGee
Trainer:  Phil Gordon...no one will know who he is, but was a good, honest man who loved racing for the right reasons.
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« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2006, 04:42:35 PM »

Horse: Casino Team
Trainer: Gary Mills

One two races in the same night in 151 and change at Balmoral.
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« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2006, 04:50:21 PM »



Hey ***hole

        Leave my mother and her stinking $69,000 lottery checks that she got each year that she lived on because she was alone out of your posts. I made twice that training horses back in the 80's and didn't need any part of the stinking $69,000 she got from the state of Illinois that she used to live on and pay her bills until the money ran out in 2003. I came to Vegas in 99 with my own money that I made winning races and betting on my horses in 1998 and then selling them for way more then I claimed them for at the end of 1998. Do you see that $158,000 in purse money I won racing 5 head in 1998? Well, half of that is what I came to Vegas with along with about 30K I made betting on my horses because I owned half of all the horses I raced in 98 with my brother. So, take your comments about my mothers lottery money and stick them up your ass where your head belongs.

        And as far as Red Buch is concerned he's 10 times the person you are. Who are you anyways, Alex Tiecan since you know what Red Buch would do to his horses. Only someone living at Red's farm like Alex did would know how Red trained and how he treated his horses. Are you Alex? Sounds like you could be Alex and you may be attacking me and my mother because you know us from Red's farm. And Alex still works for Rucker doesn't he? More reason to attack me right? I'm sorry Alex's little dog he called " Puppet " got killed on the backside of Balmoral after he moved out of Buch's farm. If it wasn't for Buch, Alex would have been homeless and hungry for years. Red and Barb treated Alex like a son. So, watch your comments about Red Buch because he is a great person who would help out anyone in need. He is one stand up guy that won't take shit from anyone. He may have been on the small side but I'll tell you he's one guy you would not want to piss off.  
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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2006, 05:04:44 PM »

Horse - Charge Plate/Lucky Mark N
Driver - Dave 'The King' Magee, nobody can handle one like Davey
Trainer - Doug Larsen

Announcer - Tony Salvaro at Maywood 'shaking the woodwork' with the stretch calls

Best Maintained Track - The Meadowlands
Worst Maintained Track - Lebanon/Northville (a toss up)
US Racetrack - Windsor (there's something about that track)
Int'l Racetrack - Alexandria Park (New Zealand)

Teller - Earl at Arlington (known this man for over 25 years!!!)
Program Man - Sly
Cleanist Bathrooms - Oakbrook OTB

Racing Commission - Illinois Racing Board (they make more rules than a headmaster at an international boarding school!)


emp, good to hear from you again.  I'm going :
Horse : Dox Devlin
Driver : Ron Marsh
Trainer : King Carl or ***
Announcer : Phil Georgeff or Tony Salvaro
Best Maintained Track : Mohawk
Worst Track : Hazel Park
Best Track (racing) : the Big M
Worst : Cal Expo
Intl : N/A
Teller : Frankie Nardella at Maywood
Program man : guy at Stevenson I-55 off ramp at Spk
Cleanest Bathroom : Merrillville Trackside
Racing Commission : NJRC (by default)

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« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2006, 05:12:48 PM »

emp, good to hear from you again. 

TC


Oh! I didn't notice that was EMP posting. I thought someone posted that EMP was now posting under " movinfaraway " .

    Anyway, EMP remembers the great ones from " Back In The Day ".
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