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Question: Would you pay admission to a racetrack or OTB if it was designed to keep the homeless and moochers out?
Yes - 10 (41.7%)
No - 14 (58.3%)
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Chitown Stan
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« on: January 09, 2006, 02:42:54 PM »

You all know my vote!
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2006, 03:34:46 PM »

At Trackside in Chicago they charge $1 admission.  I must say there are numerous panhandlers right outside the door at ALL times.  If there was no admission fee at all
there would be about 10-15 panhandlers soliciting the customers inside the OTB. 

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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2006, 03:36:29 PM »

At Trackside in Chicago they charge $1 admission.  I must say there are numerous panhandlers right outside the door at ALL times.  If there was no admission fee at all
there would be about 10-15 panhandlers soliciting the customers inside the OTB. 


$1 = city tax.  I believe it goes to the city, all of it.  TC
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2006, 03:39:33 PM »


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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2006, 03:55:25 PM »

Dear Group:

Yes I would pay admission at the OTB and the tracks.

Unfortunately you have a group of individuals who feel they have a right to badger or panhandled you.  What about my right of freedom of being left alone?

The older I get the more I look for peace and solitude.

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2006, 04:28:17 PM »

   
Stan:

     I'll probably end up being in the minority on this one but I would not spend a dime for admission to an OTB or the track. There is way too much entertainment to see for free today so why pay? It is my belief that by charging even the littlest admission fee that you are pissing off good customers and deterring curious minds from walking thru the doors to have a peek. I hate to keep comparing Las Vegas to the Chicago racetracks but I must, in this case.

     In a Las Vegas casino, you would never be badgered, bothered, or harassed for money by low life scum. They have an alert security staff that stays right on top of stuff like that. A long time ago I was betting the horses in the old Castaways race book and a buddy of mine came up to me and asked to borrow a hundred. I gave it to him and I swear that within 5 minutes a security officer was tapping me on the shoulder asking me if the guy was bothering me or trying to panhandle. When I explained to him that he was a friend of mine, that was the end of it. I agree with most of what you guys are saying about the type of clientele that are floating around the OTB's and track on a daily basis, but that has to be addressed by management and security.

     I should not have to pay an admission fee for the sole purpose of avoiding homeless people and con men. I pay my way by patronizing the sport and thru the concession stand, why more money now? All that would be necessary is a few extra security officers that were trained what to look for. Once you get to know who your customers are, you learn real fast who the mooches are and you toss them out the door. I guarantee that after you bar the first mooch and it is explained to them that in the future, if they come on the any part of the property whatsoever, parking lot included, they will be criminally charged with trespassing, this problem would go away overnight. That is what Las Vegas casinos do and they will call the police in a New York minute. That is how you handle small problems like this and get rid of the riff-raff. Just my opinion, but I would NEVER pay for admission unless it went into the horsemen's purse account. I should not have to pay for something that is the responsibility of the establishments of which I visit. It should be their number one priority to ensure that their customers are comfortable and safe.

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2006, 05:34:06 PM »

I would be against charging admission.  Unless they had a good band.
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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2006, 07:08:47 PM »

Once you give the people something (free admission) you can't take it away.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2006, 07:25:19 PM »

Burton I disagree. If you come right out and tell the people the reason, $3 ain't going to detour anybody except the moochers. If $3 keeps you from coming into a facility, then I can't help you.
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2006, 07:38:44 PM »

Once you give the people something (free admission) you can't take it away.

Your trying to promote the sport why would you take it away.

I know several people who get the vouchers in the mail for the admission and program and that is the only time they will go. You have to start somewhere, why not there because once they get in you know they are going to eat and drink.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2006, 08:11:44 PM »

   
Stan:

     I'll probably end up being in the minority on this one but I would not spend a dime for admission to an OTB or the track. There is way too much entertainment to see for free today so why pay? It is my belief that by charging even the littlest admission fee that you are pissing off good customers and deterring curious minds from walking thru the doors to have a peek. I hate to keep comparing Las Vegas to the Chicago racetracks but I must, in this case.

     In a Las Vegas casino, you would never be badgered, bothered, or harassed for money by low life scum. They have an alert security staff that stays right on top of stuff like that. A long time ago I was betting the horses in the old Castaways race book and a buddy of mine came up to me and asked to borrow a hundred. I gave it to him and I swear that within 5 minutes a security officer was tapping me on the shoulder asking me if the guy was bothering me or trying to panhandle. When I explained to him that he was a friend of mine, that was the end of it. I agree with most of what you guys are saying about the type of clientele that are floating around the OTB's and track on a daily basis, but that has to be addressed by management and security.

     I should not have to pay an admission fee for the sole purpose of avoiding homeless people and con men. I pay my way by patronizing the sport and thru the concession stand, why more money now? All that would be necessary is a few extra security officers that were trained what to look for. Once you get to know who your customers are, you learn real fast who the mooches are and you toss them out the door. I guarantee that after you bar the first mooch and it is explained to them that in the future, if they come on the any part of the property whatsoever, parking lot included, they will be criminally charged with trespassing, this problem would go away overnight. That is what Las Vegas casinos do and they will call the police in a New York minute. That is how you handle small problems like this and get rid of the riff-raff. Just my opinion, but I would NEVER pay for admission unless it went into the horsemen's purse account. I should not have to pay for something that is the responsibility of the establishments of which I visit. It should be their number one priority to ensure that their customers are comfortable and safe.

Best Regards,
Joseph M. Dakuras
(A UNLV Runnin Rebel For Life) 


Perfect post.  Security is needed, not admission.

In my opinion, you should NOT have to pay to gamble.  It's already tough enough to bet take.

Best,
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2006, 08:14:34 PM »

Zulu, I take offense at your name man. I'm a brother and I think it's an outrage. What you got against us colored folks? Change your name to a real one and stop with the African cracks, OK? I went to Howard University in DC and gradauted. I don't need some cracker or white broad making fun of my ancestors. It's a short hop from the Bug downtown out to Balmoral to talk to you in person. My digits are 204-2667. I'm not afraid to give you what for with my alabama king snake if'n you are a lady. Guys who say they're girls and girls trying to be better than men. This is a f**ked up world. Please change the name. I got no zulu blood (from Nigeria way back) but I speak for all Americans of African descent to the outrage. Henry.
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2006, 09:38:37 PM »

Zulu, I take offense at your name man. I'm a brother and I think it's an outrage. What you got against us colored folks? Change your name to a real one and stop with the African cracks, OK? I went to Howard University in DC and gradauted. I don't need some cracker or white broad making fun of my ancestors. It's a short hop from the Bug downtown out to Balmoral to talk to you in person. My digits are 204-2667. I'm not afraid to give you what for with my alabama king snake if'n you are a lady. Guys who say they're girls and girls trying to be better than men. This is a f**ked up world. Please change the name. I got no zulu blood (from Nigeria way back) but I speak for all Americans of African descent to the outrage. Henry.

I hate to disappoint you but I am far from a racist as my cousin is an afro-american.
It just happens to be good movie

Whats next? I`ll have the Asians telling me about Startrek`s Zulu?

Henry all you needed to do was ask no need to come out swinging!JMO   
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 09:41:11 PM »

I hate to disappoint you but I am far from a racist as my cousin is an afro-american.
It just happens to be good movie

Whats next? I`ll have the Asians telling me about Startrek`s Zulu?

Henry all you needed to do was ask no need to come out swinging!JMO   
...point of order...it's "Sulu" not Zulu.  TC
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 09:45:58 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2006, 09:53:16 PM »

Nevermind TC my bad I got it now

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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2006, 10:02:05 PM »



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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2006, 10:38:24 PM »

I was at Hawthorne the other night for simulcasting where they do charge admission and it is a joke! I guarantee you that someone will get robbed or killed one night while leaving there as the security is a young kid who was busy playing video games. I wasn't in the door 2 minutes when i have people trying to bum a cigarette from me and trying to mooch(hey man can i get >60 cent to make a bet). IF YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET, GO HOME!! nOT TO BE RACIST BUT THERE WERE MAYBE 5 WHITE PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE PLACE AND ALL YOU CAN HEAR IS YELLING AND JIVING. Also at crestwood there are many beggars, I had a guy ask me for a dollar at 11:30am....THE PLACE DOESN' open til 11 and your already broke...The chicago OTB system SUCKS!! They have 30 managers and only about 5 tellers....everyone is a manager walking around doing nothing...Chicago needs to get some real security like they have in Vegas or at The Big M or one day something very bad is going to happen
So I guess my whole point is that the scums still come out even if they have to pay admission...they will stand out in front until they beg for enough to get in and then they will begin to beg once they get in to make a $2 bet...Kick all these losers out and let the real fans and gamblers enjoy themselves
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2006, 10:46:32 PM »

I remember leaving Hawthorne one night, a night when it was about 5 degrees, where Voyager N and TM roared from dead last to win going away.  That was ultra shady.  In the parking lot, a guy was punching his girlfriend in the head right in front of a dozen or so people.  No one did anything.  He put her in the car and took off.  I asked the security guard to do something and he just smiled.  I have been followed out after cashing out several times there as well.  I don't go there anymore.  I like to bet at Arlington TS and watch at home.  Only can do that Monday-Wednesday now, oops, not Mondays now.  Guess I can wait until the Big M on Wednesday and do it through Youbet.  I must have bet too much through trackside last year, they sent me an invoice for six KY Derby tickets.
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2006, 11:24:37 PM »

I hope managment of the tracks and OTB's read this thread. The undesirables are keeping your customers away and you are doing nothing about it. I thought I was over reacting to these moochers but after reading these informative posts I see its a bigger problem than I thought.
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2006, 11:34:03 PM »

One thing that I can agree with is Security needs to be better. Why do they tolerate these moochers and undesirables? The bigger question tho is why does management allow security to deal with these undesirables?

I remember my sister and brother in law came into town and I took them to Balmoral. We find a table on the first floor with a good view, and they set their stuff down on the table. We all go to the concession stands to grab some drinks and come back to find some moocher helping himself to our programs. When we inform security, they reprimanded US to not leave our stuff unguarded at the table. Of course they did nothing to the moocher that was going through our stuff. Needless to say they won't be going to a racetrack anytime soon.
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« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2006, 11:42:01 PM »

Now wait a minute.  I go to the track by myself.  Yes mostly during the day, but I've been to harness a few times, or stayed late for simul or parties.  I've never had any problems.  Are you talking about the guys selling peanuts and used programs?  They aren't a problem.  Maybe we just have chivalrous panhandlers who leave women alone?
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2006, 11:46:37 PM »

Also at crestwood there are many beggars, I had a guy ask me for a dollar at 11:30am....THE PLACE DOESN' open til 11 and your already broke...
I was told when going to Crestwood, go right Go left, and you go right into the abyss.
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2006, 11:54:58 PM »

I'm not saying during live racing at Hawthorne because I go all the time when harness is live there and even bring my kids. What i'm talking about is Hawthorne at night during simulcasting..it is truly a scary place to be...If i made a decent score there is no way i would cash the ticket that night as there is a good chance that someone could follow you out. This is not how you should feel at a gambling facility, you should be able to be confident that when you are on there grounds you are safe. I can walk around inside a casino in Vegas with thousands in my pocket and not have a care in the world. You would think a place that handles that kind of money would be on the ball and have real security not these kids making minimum wage sitting on there ass and playing video games.
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I sure miss the good 'ol days!!
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2006, 11:59:13 PM »

I was told when going to Crestwood, go right Go left, and you go right into the abyss.
Thats about right....Two of the mooches are also mooshes...if you hear them yell for your horse you better rip up that ticket because you have NO chance...I don't care if you're up 10 in the lane!...WE really need some nicer OTB's.... Joliet is not too bad and the managers Robert and Mark are good people...
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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2006, 07:03:34 AM »

I remember leaving Hawthorne one night, a night when it was about 5 degrees, where Voyager N and TM roared from dead last to win going away.  That was ultra shady.  In the parking lot, a guy was punching his girlfriend in the head right in front of a dozen or so people.  No one did anything.  He put her in the car and took off.  I asked the security guard to do something and he just smiled.  I have been followed out after cashing out several times there as well.  I don't go there anymore.  I like to bet at Arlington TS and watch at home.  Only can do that Monday-Wednesday now, oops, not Mondays now.  Guess I can wait until the Big M on Wednesday and do it through Youbet.  I must have bet too much through trackside last year, they sent me an invoice for six KY Derby tickets.
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Armonsol, you owe that win to 2 things -Clorox and Cheetah.  Since you joined this forum, I knew you were a sharpie, so you know what I mean.  Nice win, I remember it myself.  TC
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2006, 07:50:27 AM »

Armonsol, you owe that win to 2 things -Clorox and Cheetah.  Since you joined this forum, I knew you were a sharpie, so you know what I mean.  Nice win, I remember it myself.  TC
Voyager N, 9-1, 9 horse, 3 degrees, Tony Salvaro "Here comes VOYAGER."
There wasn't another horse that night that made up more than a couple of lengths.  He made up 18 or something. The good old days?
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2006, 08:26:13 AM »

Voyager N, 9-1, 9 horse, 3 degrees, Tony Salvaro "Here comes VOYAGER."
There wasn't another horse that night that made up more than a couple of lengths.  He made up 18 or something. The good old days?
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I'm no harness historian, but that may have been one of Tony's last wins with that brownish modified bike until it was banned.  Someone please jump in to correct this if it's untrue.  TC   P.S. nothing but brand name best for the stock though.  Clorox all the way !  Wink
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2006, 09:40:03 AM »

Now wait a minute.  I go to the track by myself.  Yes mostly during the day, but I've been to harness a few times, or stayed late for simul or parties.  I've never had any problems.  Are you talking about the guys selling peanuts and used programs?  They aren't a problem.  Maybe we just have chivalrous panhandlers who leave women alone?


Jrstark, are you kidding me?? Maybe your working for Hawthrone or trying to give them some good PR. It won't work everyone on here knows better. Hey don't get me wrong I love that track but to say there are no beggers constantly bothering people for money or watching you bet on a voucher machine hoping that you leave your voucher in it and walk away, or stealing your forms or programs is a lie. When you go to the track Im sure you don't sit on the bottom floor grandstand thats known as the GETTO- BRONX. When they had double headers racing they needed a street cleaner to clean-up after all those scummy people. One of the biggest problems is they hire security with no experience about gambling so they don't have a clue to what these track bums are not supposed to be doing. The tracks should at least teach the security that people that are not betting but are constantly sitting by the voucher machines looking over the betters shoulders hoping they leave a voucher in the machine are the ones to toss out. This kind of crowd is easy to spot, just get a wad of dollar bills and start counting it in front of them, its like dawn of the dead they come from the bathrooms, from hiding behind tables, wake up from sleeping and will follow you and ask hey-bro can you spare a buck, got fiffsy cents man, etc. Its not hard to get rid of the rif-raf if they want. The OTB'S are even worse than the tracks because they have less people and should not tolerate it but I think they think it makes it look like they have a better crowd so they let these losers stay like at the Oakbrook OTB where they steal vouchers every day. I guess if they let the theifs stay they figure the will also come back and gamble the money that they stole anyway. PLEASSSSSSE J* stick to what you really KNOW about the race track life and leave that to the many people that have already posted things that they see everyday and are dead on. When I posted this I mean Women just as much as I do Men.
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