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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2006, 06:34:53 PM »

Don't know about today, but it used to be a family sport and our kids grew up in the business. They are all big fans today and has gone on to the grandkids.Louisville Downs had a nice playground for kids and volunteers to watch it every night. That would be the only way I would want it today also, but kids watching and learning the sport is how it continues.
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2006, 06:40:02 PM »

I think that some are also missing the point that bringing our kids (on a reasonalble
time schedule--i.e. weekends--not interfering with school schedules) may make some of
them want to invest in the harness racing industry in the future as OWNERS and not simply gamblers.  I'm certainly not encouraging my child to buy harness horses in the future, but I like to expose him to many different types of businesses, career oportunities and investments so that he is aware of everything out there when he becomes a teenager and adult.

I also try to expand his thinking to ownership rather than thinking on a smaller level.   For example, when we go to the races to watch a horse I own,
I discuss the purse money won and the expenses involved in keeping the horse.
I let him work out some math problems to see what it takes to make a profit.
(He's 10) and let him think maybe he could buy some horses in the future.  I
also point out to him several "gamblers" at the track who seem to be "regulars"
and talk about the dangers of betting on horses and losing a lot of money.

He enjoys coming to the races and I even talk to him about him maybe trying to buy
the racetrack in the future so he could be THE ULTIMATE OWNER.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2006, 07:10:28 PM »

Old Horse, The play ground at Louisville got abused by parents.  They would dump there kids out at the track and then go bar hopping.  The races would be over and the play ground would still be full of kids.  I know this because I went in there as a little kid.  Louisville downs got sick of this and closed the grandstand to 16 and older.  Thus I was stuck setting on the bleachers at the end of the paddock, by myself unto mom and dad got all the horses out of the paddock for the night.  I much rather spent my summer night at sportsmen park with Paisley(Sp) Busse, and Banks to joke around with. 

Even as a little kid I knew when we went to Sportsmen we were racing a REAL good racehorse.  That made going to Chicago even better,  I don't miss Louisville, latona,etc.
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2006, 07:24:48 PM »



     After discussing this debate with my wife all day long, even her and I cannot agree on it. I feel children should not be allowed at the track and she feels completely the opposite!  Let me say that although I do not have any children, I do have two goddaughters that I love dearly and think the world of. With that thought in mind, I can't really see anything-positive happening as a result of me bringing them out to the racetrack for a night. I think about how I loved it with my father when I was a child, but that was a different time and era. I don’t think that I would be doing them much good socially, or educationally.

     Please help me to understand by bringing a child to the racetrack what you, as parents are trying to accomplish? If you are trying to teach your child the ropes of ownership, you certainly do not need to take them to the track to do that. I can't imagine any parent wanting their child to pursue a career in harness racing as a driver or trainer nowadays because of the lack of financial stability that goes with this business. This adds credence to my position of why children should not be allowed at the track.  I know that I sound a bit hypocritical because I was one of those 7-year old kids that ran rampant up and down the stairs at Sportsman's Park, betting and studying the program when I should have been studying the U.S. Constitution instead. Like I said before, I have mixed feelings about my dad taking me to the track because nothing positive has happened to me as a result of my father exposing me to the track at an early age.  

     My wife on the other hand takes an approach completely opposite of mine. She feels that kids should be allowed to be at the track to have fun and be a kid. When I asked her how, she came up with this idea. My wife was always one that thought it was a terrible idea for the drivers to give away whips to children ever since she seen one child whack another with a whip that a driver gave away, drawing blood. She feels that whips can be dangerous and should not be given away. She thought that the racetracks should have trading cards with every Illinois driver/trainers picture on them. Just like baseball/basketball/football trading cards. When a driver wins a race, all of the children who are at the track that day, should be given a 10 minute timeframe to go into the winners circle and meet the winning trainer and driver of the horse, and have them pass out their trading card for that year. This would be the only way of a child receiving that trading card so as the more popular guys win races, the child would already have that card. It would actually have children rooting for a driver or trainers horse because they don't have their trading card. It would become a challenge to try and collect each and every Illinois horsemen trading card because if that driver or trainer does not race/win very often, it becomes difficult to obtain their card. This would keep the children’s interest away from the gambling end of things and encourage friendships to trade cards amongst each other. They could actually develop friendships through their visits to the track. This is my wife’s idea that I think is a foolish one, but that is my opinion.

     I have great memories of going to the racetrack with my late father but I have to say after critically thinking about it, I wish he never took me there. I simply believe it hindered me from my studies and nothing positive came from me going to the races at age 7.  Thanks for all the replies and keep them coming. I will post another debate tomorrow morning from school at about 7:00 am.  

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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2006, 07:37:24 PM »

in todays society do you want strangers watching youre kids.are you nuts.my kids stay at home while i work.in summer i might let them come to the barn to help and keep a few at the farm.i dont want them too see maneacs cussin and telling drivers they shuld be raped.learn to be good parents and keep the kids safe at home.i keep no guns in my house so no accidents.the kids learn respect and i never talk about gamling at the races by them.louisville downs is in a harness history book.that was a diferent times.now the races have to many wackos who i dont want around my kids.whats next bringing them to mama lous or mane street to see fight like the guy who got stiches from a beer bottle last week.kids stay home.truth
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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2006, 08:00:01 PM »

I think that some are also missing the point that bringing our kids (on a reasonalble
time schedule--i.e. weekends--not interfering with school schedules) may make some of
them want to invest in the harness racing industry in the future as OWNERS and not simply gamblers.  I'm certainly not encouraging my child to buy harness horses in the future, but I like to expose him to many different types of businesses, career oportunities and investments so that he is aware of everything out there when he becomes a teenager and adult.

I also try to expand his thinking to ownership rather than thinking on a smaller level.   For example, when we go to the races to watch a horse I own,
I discuss the purse money won and the expenses involved in keeping the horse.
I let him work out some math problems to see what it takes to make a profit.
(He's 10) and let him think maybe he could buy some horses in the future.  I
also point out to him several "gamblers" at the track who seem to be "regulars"
and talk about the dangers of betting on horses and losing a lot of money.

He enjoys coming to the races and I even talk to him about him maybe trying to buy
the racetrack in the future so he could be THE ULTIMATE OWNER.

Great post , couldn`t have said it better!
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2006, 08:09:36 PM »

There are plenty of times to take your kids to the track.  And there are plenty of places throughout the grandstand (inside & out) to sit and keep your kids away from the scum around.  You can't keep your kids locked up in your house forever abtruth.

We all need to realize that kids are the future of this industry and with all th other forms of entertainment, we have an uphill battle.  By eliminating them from the track, we are slitting our own throat!  We also have to remember many of us can bring our kids and teach them about the business in case they want to get involved one day.  Others may bring them for the pure enjoyment of watching and betting on racing.  This industry needs FANS just as much as it does owners. 
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2006, 08:40:17 PM »

For what it's worth, I got a call from CA and the "original" Golden Boy thinks it's a smashing idea to bring the youngsters to the track.  He'll even sit in the bike with them between races and take photos of them on his camera phone.  Even Kazzy will watch them closely as you bet their private school tuition money - no problem at all.  Sheeesh.  TC
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2006, 08:44:15 PM »

Joe,
i do think that kids should go to the track, I was a track bum, I did not even know how to read a program did not care to I loved the horse side of it as Kelly. I could care less about cashing a ticket to this day.
   I dont think kids need to the stands everynight.
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2006, 09:00:45 PM »

 I was about 8-9 yrs. old when I was introduced to the backside at Washington Park. Today, I am in the business as was my dad and uncle's. I do gamble today, but only within my means and as I choose.  My dad brought me to the track often and I feel that I'm not lesser the person for it. I was the future then and am now a part of the sport.  I agree that gambling can be a problem, but what a better way to learn if properly tutored by a "responsible parent/adult". The old adage"the apple don't fall far from the tree", holds true within this debatable question.
  I believe the grandstand and outdoor area is a great place for children to view the sport of "Live Racing" though my opinion does not apply to simulcast betting.  Also, the clubhouse should only be open to adults whom  may or do not want children around and generally pay extra for that privelage. Eventually, all children grow up and make their own choices & decisions not always in tune with their parents. Like anything, communication, knowledge & knowing priorities are integral for any maturing process(s) in life!
  
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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2006, 12:04:30 AM »

Bring your children to the track but keep them under control. We need the next generation to keep racing alive but a word of advice. When your young child points to a horse and says its going to win you better bet on it. When your young child wants to learn how to read the program, take him to an Exorcist.
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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2006, 12:20:55 AM »

My father has owned horses and I've been going since I was in a stroller I was making my own bets at sportsmans when I was 10 with jimmy or carl in the $50.00 window(eventhough I was only betting $2) I had some great times at the track as a kid and I went every chance I could with my dad...which in the good old days when there was money to be made it was almost nightly....I have 3 kids under the age of 8 and they have all been to the track....My 4 year olds favorite movie is racing stripes and she makes me make the sound of a bell and say they're off as she runs through the house and says "look at me i'm a racehorse" and she always ends up in the winners circle.....My wife says that I have created a monster....lol
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I sure miss the good 'ol days!!
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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2006, 12:39:17 AM »

the only horses kids should see
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2006, 12:45:08 AM »


or this one.....
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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2006, 02:59:06 AM »

Joe

        Simple answer, NO kids don't belong around any form of gambling. The casino's do things right when don't allow kids wondering around where adults are gambling.

        They don't allow kids into the OTB's so why allow them in the track? They don't allow kids at the riverboats so why allow them at the track? There is nothing for kids to do at the track except run around the grandstand and apron bothering people who are trying to read the program. They pick up dirty filty pickets off the ground with millions of germs on then and then put their fingers in their mouths. They are bored at the track so they run around playing hide and go seek.

        Also, with the perverts they let in the track how can a parent trust their kid running off somewhere while they are making a bet. You never know you could have some guy calling himself " Interested Observer " hanging around observing little children and molesting them while the kids dad is making a bet.

        Joe, remember the kid the was murdered in the bathroom at the casino down in " Primm NV " while her dad was playing blackjack? Bottom line is kids don't belong at the track or any other place where adults gamble because they can only pick up bad habits nothing good.     
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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2006, 03:03:03 AM »

At Oakbrook they let them in the restaurant area.
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« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2006, 03:17:53 AM »

Joe

        Simple answer, NO kids don't belong around any form of gambling. The casino's do things right when don't allow kids wondering around where adults are gambling.

        They don't allow kids into the OTB's so why allow them in the track? They don't allow kids at the riverboats so why allow them at the track? There is nothing for kids to do at the track except run around the grandstand and apron bothering people who are trying to read the program. They pick up dirty filty pickets off the ground with millions of germs on then and then put their fingers in their mouths. They are bored at the track so they run around playing hide and go seek.

        Also, with the perverts they let in the track how can a parent trust their kid running off somewhere while they are making a bet. You never know you could have some guy calling himself " Interested Observer " hanging around observing little children and molesting them while the kids dad is making a bet.

        Joe, remember the kid the was murdered in the bathroom at the casino down in " Primm NV " while her dad was playing blackjack? Bottom line is kids don't belong at the track or any other place where adults gamble because they can only pick up bad habits nothing good.     


When I was still in Chicago until 1999 they didn't let kids in at all in Oakbrook.
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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2006, 05:58:22 AM »

Dan PSYCHO GOOF Nance posted:

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      Also, with the perverts they let in the track how can a parent trust their kid running off somewhere while they are making a bet. You never know you could have some guy calling himself " Interested Observer " hanging around observing little children and molesting them while the kids dad is making a bet.

I thought about responding with a comment about your 2 daughters, Dan... but I won't lower myself to the "Whale Shit" level of a sick *** like you.

Plus... it's not their fault that their father is a CLASSLESS PIECE OF SHIT.

Actually, I feel sorry for them... having had to grow up with a degenerate gambler like you as a "role model".

You truly are a SICK PSYCHO GOOF.
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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2006, 06:25:01 AM »

if the kids first chance at the track is 18 and they could gamble then. Wouldnt it make sense to say the kids havent been educated about the pitfalls of gambling. on the day they could gamble (18th birthday) they are allowed to go into a gambling establishment thats full of lights, sounds of people winning, and etc. Shouldnt the kids be allowed to learn earlier the evils of gambling. My kid is 11 and can tell you every exacta box estimated payoff and knows all about first over trips. He is smarter than me about horses. One thing i can tell you is hes learned "if you cant lose dont play" A couple of years ago he would ask me for $2 to bet with. I gave it to him and we bet a couple of times. Then I told him we are going to use his money. Guess what its been 13 months and hes never asked me to bet again. At 18, if he started firing away money he doesnt have he could get in over his head. If he gets taken to the track for the first time at 18 by friends and doesnt understand gambling it could be awful
2 things, street smart and book smart. I'll take street smart over book smart.
secondly, I respect the minority who say kids shouldnt be allowed but there should be KID FRIENDLY SECTIONS and sections were there are NO KIDS ALLOWED  and each side gets its way. going to the track is not all about gambling, why dont the kids get to go face to face with a horse. why isnt there horse rides like off stride has responded. why arent there museums with interactive stuff for the kids in the kids only section.
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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2006, 08:37:48 AM »

There is a difference in Casino Gambling and Racing.  Racing is a spectator sport.  In the Casino what can they watch?  The roll of a dice?  A card flip?  In horse racing there is action.  Something for the kids to gain interest in.  I’m not saying they should be there every night, but a weekend afternoon or evening is not harming them. 

JOE D.  I don’t want them to become owners, trainers or drivers, but I would mind them being interested from the sporting\gambling perspective. 

We as mothers and fathers are responsible for our children’s upbringing.  They are going to be exposed to rights and wrongs.  We need to teach them the difference.  DAN you can’t blame an irresponsible father on the Casino for that girls death.   The casino is no place for a child.  It is not a spectator sport!

I’d like to teach my kids you lose what you can afford.  It is entertainment.  If you have $10 are you going to blow it on a movie or a night at the track.  This is the message I want to convey to my children.

Also, if anyone is concerned about the patrons your children will be exposed to, then you’ve never attended a NASCAR event or a Hockey Game.  The language, the drunks, the fights.  The only difference is Joe Homeless isn’t hanging out there.  Arlington in the afternoon is better than those venues.

I maintain, a child UNDER CONTROL, sitting and enjoying the sport of racing is not a bad thing.




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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2006, 08:48:18 AM »

Computer Geek  I could not agree more!!!  With one exception.... There should also be a place where one can go where there are NOT children allowed if they so desire to spend their time with only adults.  They have no smoking areas so why not have  no children areas.
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2006, 08:52:16 AM »


or this one.....

You have posted a picture of Hippity-Hop!

I have not seen this guy for years.  I had one of these as a child.  We raced them.  Thanks for the flashback!
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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2006, 09:04:27 AM »

FASTTRACK....I would have no problem with that.  An under 18 room would be fine.
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2006, 09:05:27 AM »

You have posted a picture of Hippity-Hop!

.  I had one of these as a child.  We raced them.  Thanks for the flashback!
did you race clean .. or did you use ruckers go go juice?
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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2006, 10:09:37 AM »

Kids should definately be allowed to be at the track.  If not, how are we going to get the new generation invloved with this sport.  I am 18, so yes I may be being a little biased here, but what about the teenagers who are in the 15-18 range who have enough logic to know what is right and wrong, and still aren't allowed to be able to attend a sport they love.  There definately wouldn't be a future.  I would hope the parents that bring the kids would have enough sense and manners to keep their kids under control and not disrupt the bettors trying to handicap and read the program.  Also, as a responsible parent you would think when dealing with the younger kids at the track, that you would not have them there in the late night hours, and maybe look into taking them to more fairs, and afternoon events.  I have attended the grand circut when it is at the Red Mile, and there is nothing like standing down near the wire watching the Kentucky Futurity with your dad.
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