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Author Topic: $395,000 Balmoral Afternoon Handle  (Read 2764 times)
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« on: January 08, 2006, 01:04:55 PM »

Billy Johnston's grand plan to the Racing Board and the IHHA
to keep the purses the same or even increase them was his
Saturday matinee cards in January and February.

He boasted how these six cards will help the purse account and how
they would do so much better on Saturday afternoon as opposed
to Monday nights.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I was told that the total combined handle
on Balmoral's Saturday afternoon card was $395,000, with a whopping
$64,000 bet on-site at Balmoral. That has to be the LOWEST handle on
a Chicago harness card in the last 30 years!


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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2006, 01:36:43 PM »

In all fairness, no one really knew that they were racing except for the hardest of the hardcore.
Give it a week or two and we'll look at the numbers again.
My hope is that the horsemen and the tracks get together and get some action from the state to save this game.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2006, 02:55:59 PM »

Burton, you must be a real idiot to defend that low handle. The bottom line is that the Saturday afternoon crowd is pretty much a thoroughbred crowd. I was out at Crestwood on Saturday afternoon and there weren't too many folks even watching the harness races from Balmoral. I do agree with you that the handle will be better in the weeks to come, but even if it doubles, it will still be pretty weak. If Billy Johnston believes his grand idea will increase the purses, he's as daffy as you are.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2006, 03:00:11 PM »

Burton, you must be a real idiot to defend that low handle. The bottom line is that the Saturday afternoon crowd is pretty much a thoroughbred crowd. I was out at Crestwood on Saturday afternoon and there weren't too many folks even watching the harness races from Balmoral. I do agree with you that the handle will be better in the weeks to come, but even if it doubles, it will still be pretty weak. If Billy Johnston believes his grand idea will increase the purses, he's as daffy as you are.


I agree that the handle will obviously not match that of the evening, but, they WILL do much, much better than the numbers of Saturday.  It was a ten race card, filled out of a delayed two day box -- those aren't well handling cards AT ALL.  You can look at the evening for comparison -- the pools were off about 50-70% for most of the night.

I would imagine you'll see a handle in the vacinity of $900k (just my guess) for these afternoon cards.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2006, 03:04:04 PM »

Burton, you must be a real idiot to defend that low handle. The bottom line is that the Saturday afternoon crowd is pretty much a thoroughbred crowd. I was out at Crestwood on Saturday afternoon and there weren't too many folks even watching the harness races from Balmoral. I do agree with you that the handle will be better in the weeks to come, but even if it doubles, it will still be pretty weak. If Billy Johnston believes his grand idea will increase the purses, he's as daffy as you are.


We'll see how daffy I am in a few weeks.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2006, 05:25:07 PM »

Billy Johnston's grand plan to the Racing Board and the IHHA
to keep the purses the same or even increase them was his
Saturday matinee cards in January and February.

He boasted how these six cards will help the purse account and how
they would do so much better on Saturday afternoon as opposed
to Monday nights.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, I was told that the total combined handle
on Balmoral's Saturday afternoon card was $395,000, with a whopping
$64,000 bet on-site at Balmoral. That has to be the LOWEST handle on
a Chicago harness card in the last 30 years!


Another question too is how much does it cost horsemen and their help to stay there
all day on a Saturday, not to mention the track staff , they have to be paying quite a bit of overtime? and what about the horses? where do they keep them from the afternoon card to the evening card? 
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2006, 05:38:32 PM »

Don't look for the handle to increase on Saturday afternoons from any help from Vegas because only one or two casino's will be taking the afternoon cards from Balmoral. There are two many t-breds tracks racing on Sat. so they don't want to bother with Chicago harness racing. My friend Spike ran around all over looking for Balmoral yesterday afternoon and nobody was taking it except the Suncoast. He told me the Palms took bets on the first three races then made an announcement to bring all Balmoral tickets back for a refund whether they were winners or losers and get a refund because to weren't going to take any wagers from Balmoral's afternoon card. What that was about I don't know. I do know this, that total handle in the afternoon was a slap in the face to Chicago harness racing.

   
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2006, 09:42:46 PM »

who's side are you guys on?Huh   Who gets the purse money?Huh

Are not the owners, drivers, trainers, grooms, bar tenders, cooks, mutuel clerks, ....  The one's who benefitted from the Saturday Card?Huh

Please....
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2006, 09:48:52 PM »

who's side are you guys on?Huh   Who gets the purse money?Huh

Are not the owners, drivers, trainers, grooms, bar tenders, cooks, mutuel clerks, ....  The one's who benefitted from the Saturday Card?Huh

Please....

WOW!!!!!!!!!!

That actually made sense!!
I'm shocked!
Good to see something positive once in a great while.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2006, 09:59:02 PM »

WOW!!!!!!!!!!

That actually made sense!!
I'm shocked!
Good to see something positive once in a great while.

Burton

      If you call some guy who loves to drive out to the boondocks to bet on complete rats while he bets into low pools a positive thing then I'm baffled.

      What I call positive in good horses racing for great purses with full fields and BIG pools to bet into all at a fan friendly track.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2006, 10:05:54 PM »

Burton

      If you call some guy who loves to drive out to the boondocks to bet on complete rats while he bets into low pools a positive thing then I'm baffled.

      What I call positive in good horses racing for great purses with full fields and BIG pools to bet into all at a fan friendly track.



Dan,

I agree with good horses, big pools etc;
but, I was just glad that the locals got paid for their craft.
As low as it is.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2006, 10:09:03 PM »

Sorry, they settled the Strike.  Maybe I was showing Solidarity with the Horsemen.

But I did enjoy my self.
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2006, 11:20:17 PM »

Horsemen made money Saturday at Balmoral.
Grooms made money Saturday at Balmoral.
The Racetrack Employees made money at Balmoral on Saturday.
I made money wager at Balmoral on Saturday Afternoon.

I may have bet on "rats", and I may have driven to the boondock, but I don't live in East Rutherford NJ.  And if I did, I'd be betting on the Balmoral Afternoon Card because I hate Freehold, and they don't have Saturday Afternoon racing at the Meadowlands.

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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2006, 10:44:01 AM »

freehold much better program then dead Balmoral park
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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2006, 11:02:51 AM »

Would you rather bet on "rats" Saturday afternoon, or "rats" on Monday night at Maywood.  The whole point is that they are trying to do better than what they would on a Monday night from what I can understand.  To me, I would think you would have more people betting on the races and coming to the track on a Saturday afternoon rather than a Monday night.  Yes the handle was very low, but like some of you have said, give it a couple weeks, then we will get a better understanding of if this really is going to be better off than a Monday night.  I think it will.
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2006, 11:54:31 AM »

I believe that Maywood averaged around $1,150,000 on Mondays in 2005
so they have a way to go on their Saturday afternoon card to get to
that number.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2006, 11:57:44 AM »

Next Sat. I'm going to take the 75 Minute drive to Balmoral because I love to see live racing MILE racing.  

(Improvement #10, need live racing closer to the north and northwesterners.  And don't say there is Maywood.  It's like betting a roller derby.)

So, I'm giving them a chance to improve the handle and quality or racing.  

.......I'm sure I'm living a pipe dream.
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2006, 12:31:05 PM »



Photo of balmoral paddock on Saturday afternoon.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2006, 01:17:24 PM »

armonsol there were lots of rat but at leasst one of mine got the cheese lol.they ran fast to get saturday and it did seem like a monday card.all the good stock went to meadolands and its all billy jerk johnsons falt.truth
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2006, 03:02:51 PM »

 The problem with Saturday afternoon racing is twofold. First, Immoral will be competing with the thoroughbred tracks, strike one. Second, the racing is crap, strike two. If memeory serves, when Hawthorne was racing day-night doubleheaders on Saturday, they didn't have the card filled with non-winners to be claimed for $6,000. Let's see, should I be wagering on t-bred races that have big stake races on Saturday's, with the road to the Derby around the corner, or should I wager on Immoral Park's fine card of non-winners to be claimed for six and eight? Get ready horsemen, the clock is ticking on your 2007 boycott!!!
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« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2006, 03:10:04 PM »

$395,000 for that display of crippled racing??

Reminds me of the saying "Never have so many paid so much, for so little"
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