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Dan Nance
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2006, 10:02:10 PM »

No need to be upset. Just "telling it like it is". As some people here always say. Did IRB make an example of him or not? Yes. Did the M99 epidemic stop or not? Yes. What about "trainer responsibility"?

Management person, so you think it was ok for them to make an example out of a 21 year old who had his whole career ahead of him just so they could say they were doing something without having a full investigation on what really went on. Well, I'm so glad you feel that way. But, it's ok for the IRB to extend Rucker's stay so they can look more into his 6 positives. Well that's real fair isn't it?

    You have alot of *** nerve to talk about my brother when all these cheaters are running around these days getting away with murder. And let me clue you in about whether the M99 positives stopped. They didn't because there were SEVERAL other M99 positives after my brothers ordeal. Or don't you remember the trainers that went down a year and two after they made an example of my brother as you say they did.

    Hey management person why don't you talk about something current like how they should make an example out of Rucker because of all his numerous amounts of positives. What wrong don't want to talk about Rucker because he's still racing? You would rather talk about my brother and how you think it was just dandy for them to make an example out of him, right?

    Management person, you and the rest back there can kiss my *** ass.   
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2006, 10:14:47 PM »

Management person, so you think it was ok for them to make an example out of a 21 year old who had his whole career ahead of him just so they could say they were doing something without having a full investigation on what really went on.

I dont know. What I heard was the raid on his truck/car turned up the syringe with the juice that helped them develop the M99 test. Just what I heard.

No. I dont think its OK for Rucker to get off all the time. The subject was making an example of him like examples before. "Environmental contamination" sounds unbeleiveble for gout medication. Maybe it is because everyone at the track is so old all the $100 bills have the gout medicine on them from the old people handling them.
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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2006, 10:41:54 PM »

I dont know. What I heard was the raid on his truck/car turned up the syringe with the juice that helped them develop the M99 test. Just what I heard.

No. I dont think its OK for Rucker to get off all the time. The subject was making an example of him like examples before. "Environmental contamination" sounds unbeleiveble for gout medication. Maybe it is because everyone at the track is so old all the $100 bills have the gout medicine on them from the old people handling them.

Well that's a new one. I guess you heard wrong. More racetrack talk that is far from the truth. Maybe it was the 52 cloudy tests that Farrington had in 1983 that they developed the test from.

    They developed the test by June 1984 then went after my brother so they could make an example out of someone and then went back 7 months and tested my brothers horses from Hawthorne because no doubt he had cloudy tests when Bowen was using M99 on his horses behind my brothers back.

    Like I said, that was real nice of them not to even have a full investigation and get to the bottom of who really put the shit in my brothers horses. No, they decided to ruin him for 12 years before he got his license back. Why didn't they go back and test Farrrington's 52 cloudy tests? We all know the answer to that, right? Mr. Hall Of Fame and the trainer of the horse that God loved " Rambling Willie " wasn't about to go down and give harness racing a bad rap. Better to go after a 21 year old kid and make an example out of him. They're all SCUM, and continue to be scum and I hope they all go to hell when there time comes. I love horses but the business itself SUCKS!!!! 
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« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2006, 10:53:24 PM »

Like how M99 stopped when the IRB made an example of some one.
...strong words from a troll who tried to admit they didn't attend the races until 1992.  How far back in the fake lie archives did you have to go to come up with this lie about events that took place years before you even went to the races as you say ?  Nice job "DICKIE THE MASTER TROLL. LOL   TC
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« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2006, 11:01:16 PM »

Well that's a new one. I guess you heard wrong. More racetrack talk that is far from the truth. Maybe it was the 52 cloudy tests that Farrington had in 1983 that they developed the test from.

    They developed the test by June 1984 then went after my brother so they could make an example out of someone and then went back 7 months and tested my brothers horses from Hawthorne because no doubt he had cloudy tests when Bowen was using M99 on his horses behind my brothers back.

What about "trainer responsibility". You were hammering on some one about that just today. Saying how the IRB should take him down on it. Who cares how M99 got in Scotts horses? "Trainer responsibility".
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2006, 11:12:43 PM »

What about "trainer responsibility". You were hammering on some one about that just today. Saying how the IRB should take him down on it. Who cares how M99 got in Scotts horses? "Trainer responsibility".

Where did I say that Scott should have gotten off scott free? I said they should have had a full investigation and then determined how much time he should serve for trainer responsibility. No, they were in a big hurry to make an example out of someone so they decided to hang him and give him life. Where does it say you get life for trainers responsibility? Dennis Bowen walked around the track owning horses for years while Scott had to fight and spend thousands to get his license back. Even RTP told everyone that Bowen had the horses juiced with M99 because RTP was once partners in our stable with Bowen. Bowen never *** with any of the horses he owned with Phil because he knew Phil would blow his head off if he got him in trouble. My brother is different then me because if they did to me what they did to him everyone of those cocksuckers would be 6 feet under by now.
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« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2006, 12:19:47 AM »

Modified 1/7 to claify news storys.


...strong words from a troll who tried to admit they didn't attend the races until 1992.  How far back in the fake lie archives did you have to go to come up with this lie about events that took place years before you even went to the races as you say ?  Nice job "DICKIE THE MASTER TROLL. LOL   TC

You beleive some one who first attended races in 1992 doesnt try to learn any thing about the past? Especially a subject discussed as often on the forum as this?

No wonder you are the king here. One eyed man.

FYI on the history of starting this forum. I think it was Joe Kristufek asked Janine to put up a harness forum as adjunct to the weekley show. I had nothing to do with it.

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Associated Press September 25, 1984

Trainer Charged with Using Illegal Stimulant on Horse

A suburban horse trainer was charged Tuesday with possessing an illegal elephant tranquilizer that state racing officials say was administered as a stimulant to a horse that won at Hawthorne Race Course in January.

Scott Nance, 21, of suburban Woodridge, surrendered to a representative of the Cook County state's attorney's office at the Maybrook Courthouse in Maywood, said Jewel Klein, staff attorney for the Illinois Racing Board.

Ms. Klein said Nance was charged with possession of the tranquilizer, etorphine, and of a hypodermic needle.

She said Nance, who's been training horses for several years, was released after posting a $5,000 bond.

Traces of the drug were discovered in recent testing at the board's laboratory of a urine sample taken after the January race and then frozen, Ms. Klein said.

"Newly acquired, very sophisticated equipment allowed us to make the detection," she said.

It's believed to be the first time etorphine has been detected as a stimulant for a racehorse, Ms. Klein said.

She could not immeditely identify the racehorse or its winnings.

On Aug. 21, Ms. Klein said, agents from the Illinois Department of Law Enforcement alleged they had found a syringe and hypodermic needle in Nance's car, parked outside the horse barn at Sportsman's Park Race Track.

She said Nance, who was subsequently barred from all Illinois race tracks, has requested a hearing before the racing board.

Investigators then began looking into the horses Nance had dealings with, Ms. Klein said.


Chicago Tribune

June 18, 1985

ETORPHINE CASES STIR LAB FUROR

By Neil Milbert.

Gov. James Thompson's task force on horse racing believes the state's drug testing center should be affiliated with the University of Illinois. It currently is operated by the Illinois Racing Board, and the task force and a member of the board believe that the laboratory could be more efficient with a
university tie-in.

"It took nine months to find the fingerprint for etorphine," said board member Bob Ward, referring to a drug that has been found in 19 harness horses since the lab in Elgin began testing last summer. "If the laboratory had been an arm of the university instead of an arm of the racing board, maybe it would
only have taken four months."

The other board members, however, do not favor affiliating with the U. of I. "Our laboratory was the one that made the breakthroughs on etorphine, sublimaze, apomorphine and clenbuterol," member Ray Garrison pointed out.

Etorphine is the latest illegal substance to be abused by horsemen in the state. All 19 of the cases involved harness horses and took place between December, 1983, and April, 1985. There were 13 cases at Hawthorne, four at Maywood and two at Balmoral.

The drug, sometimes called "elephant juice," is a strong tranquilizer that, when used in minute amounts, acts as a powerful stimulant. The IRB has penalized six individuals for its use, and a ruling regarding another alleged offender is pending.

"I don't consider 19 cases since December, 1983, to be an etorphine epidemic," said Bill Bissett, IRB executive director.

"We announced last fall at the dates hearings that we had begun testing for the drug. These are the results."

Nine of the cases involved horses trained by Scott Nance, and another was attributed to his brother, Dan. Scott received a lifetime suspension, and Dan was suspended for one year.

James Allen, a 70-year-old trainer, and Ron Thomas, a groom he employed, both were penalized for two cases at Maywood Park in March and April. Allen was suspended for one year and Thomas for five.
The other penalties were assessed to Roger Edwards, a lifetime suspension for four offenses, and Ed Marsh, a one-year suspension for one offense. A ruling is pending regarding Ron Quandt, charged with two offenses April 2 at Maywood.

All these cases were discovered through testing conducted by the IRB lab.

"Testing is such a vital function, and I don't know any reason to change a good track record," Garrison said. "As it exists now, the sole purpose of the forensic lab is to test for drugs and develop new tests to find new drugs."

The governor's task force report acknowledged that "the IRB Laboratory breakthroughs have been recognized, and procedures adopted by other equine drug testing laboratories. But there have been no published papers originating from the IRB Laboratory on research and development of new drug tests in the last decade.

"Experience at Cornell University, the University of Kentucky, Colorado State University and Ohio State University have shown that university affiliation greatly increases capabilities."

The majority of the board opposes changing the status quo, but Ward disagrees. "I regret the inference that a change would hurt," said Ward.

"There isn't a chemist on the board. I'm in the laundry business, Ralph Gonzalez runs an insurance company, Tom Garvey is an attorney. Tex Griffin is a commodities broker. Do you want me to tell you we can run that lab?

"Performance enhancement drugs are popping up in every sport. We see steroids in the Olympics and different concoctions being used in baseball and football. And right now somebody somewhere probably is injecting a horse with something nobody knows about.

"I have no quarrel with the skills of John McDonald (the IRB laboratory director). He is very talented, and there is no intention to do away with him. It just seems to me the University of Illinois College of Veterinary Medicine would help him, and it's time he asked for help."
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« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2006, 12:25:08 AM »

Where did I say that Scott should have gotten off scott free?

You didnt said that. You always said it was the owner fault. That Scott had nothing to do with it. That is the same as enviromental contamination isnt it.

A trainer either is or is not responsible. Wild storys like Dennis Bowen putting a crooked groom in the barn do not trump mild stoys like enviromental contamination.
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« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2006, 01:53:56 AM »

Getting back to the subject at hand, I also agree with the most of you guys, Dakuras should be participating in the game in some capacity. Joe’s one big problem is learning who he should of trusted. He was telling confidential information to people who are known racetrack snitches and management kiss Asses. They in turn ended up ratting him out to management. Joe did not do his homework on people he thought were his friends.  When you talk to snitches like Duncan Price-Ira Smolin-Scott Erhlich- and Dennis Brightwell, you are bound to get a knife stuck in your back when you are not looking.  Shame on Joe for being so stupid and trusting these guys. They ran back to Langley and the Johnstons faster than you could say ratfink. Hopefully Joe learned a valuable lesson on who to talk to and that you can never trust anyone nowadays, especially these guys. They have been management kiss ass back stabbers for years. Then again, Joe knew what these guys were all about. Brightwell would snitch on his own mother and Ira is even worse. Those are the kind of people that Joe associated with and ended up being his downfall. Live and learn I guess. Use better judgment next time Joe because if I were you, I would tell all of these management cronies to kiss your ass.

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« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2006, 03:05:47 AM »

Since when is "environmental contamination" a MILD story? And couldn't EVERYONE  use that as an excuse?
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« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2006, 03:18:41 AM »

You didnt said that. You always said it was the owner fault. That Scott had nothing to do with it. That is the same as enviromental contamination isnt it.

A trainer either is or is not responsible. Wild storys like Dennis Bowen putting a crooked groom in the barn do not trump mild stoys like enviromental contamination.

Wild story's you say? The IBI knew all about Dennis Bowen and his cousin that he planted in our barn to van horses to Steinmeyer and they knew about " Bomber " the groom that quit and disappeared after the Hawthorne meet. The IRB didn't do an investigation of Bowen, his cousin, Bomber, or Steinmeyer. Jewell Klein that *** IRB lawyer put out the statement you posted and only pointed the finger at Scott as the guilty person for idiots like you to read and believe. Whatever they say is fact right? Must be the way it happened right? Bullshit, the truth of the matter never came out. Only what they wanted everyone to believe and know. You and nobody else were around to know what went on and who was planted in our stable at Hawthorne that winter. So, believe what you want to believe I could care less and my brother probably feels the same way. But, for you to say we are making up wild stories about Bowen and his crew of criminals is something you know nothing about, Pal.

    You said it right when you said they made an example out of my brother. They sure did. Where's the article that said Scott was found innocent in court after they falsely charged him with position of a controlled substance? There is no article saying that because the IRB doesn't want anyone to know they wasted tax payers money trying to falsely charge my brother and they don't want to embarrass themselves that they lost in a court of law. They only want to put out statements that makes them look like they are doing something. And why didn't that *** Jewell Klein say that Dan Nance didn't serve a 1 years suspension because the IRB made a deal with Dan to take 6 months because they knew he wasn't involved with any M99 positives only trainers responsibility. And why didn't she say that Dan Nance never had an appeal hearing with the IRB in 4 years and raced until they made their deal with him in 1989. No, she says in that stupid artical that I was suspended for one year when I never was. All bullshit that they want people to believe.

   Like I said Dick Breath, they're all nothing but a bunch of scum cocksuckers that should all die a slow and painful death. They lie and cheat and try and make themselves look good to the public by making public statements about only what they want people to believe, not the truth. Dennis Bowen got his calling early in life because he was a no good piece of shit coke sniffing *** that ruined my brothers career and left him with a bad name. The good Lord above takes care of those who inflict pain on others and causes them grief. And then the almighty sends someone like me to a forum like this to finish the job by ripping every living sole that has it coming to them. That's right Dick Breath I believe in the power of the almighty Lord to take care of unfinished business through someone like me who knows how things really are and isn't afraid to " tell it like it is ".  Don't think for one minute the gestapo and the IRB likes what I say about them and the truth I post. I hope they read every word I post because my job won't be done until I let the world know just how evil and corrupt they all are.

   Now, keep posting your 20 year old articals Dick Breath because it opens the door for me to finish the job the Lord sent me to this forum to do.    
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« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2006, 10:00:23 AM »

Getting back to the subject at hand, I also agree with the most of you guys, Dakuras should be participating in the game in some capacity. Joe’s one big problem is learning who he should of trusted. He was telling confidential information to people who are known racetrack snitches and management kiss Asses. They in turn ended up ratting him out to management. Joe did not do his homework on people he thought were his friends.  When you talk to snitches like Duncan Price-Ira Smolin-Scott Erhlich- and Dennis Brightwell, you are bound to get a knife stuck in your back when you are not looking.  Shame on Joe for being so stupid and trusting these guys. They ran back to Langley and the Johnstons faster than you could say ratfink. Hopefully Joe learned a valuable lesson on who to talk to and that you can never trust anyone nowadays, especially these guys. They have been management kiss ass back stabbers for years. Then again, Joe knew what these guys were all about. Brightwell would snitch on his own mother and Ira is even worse. Those are the kind of people that Joe associated with and ended up being his downfall. Live and learn I guess. Use better judgment next time Joe because if I were you, I would tell all of these management cronies to kiss your ass.

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« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2006, 10:13:21 AM »

Some news for you. Read and enjoy.


June 18, 1985

ETORPHINE CASES STIR LAB FUROR

By Neil Milbert.

Gov. James Thompson's task force on horse racing believes the state's drug testing center should be affiliated with the University of Illinois. It currently is operated by the Illinois Racing Board, and the task force and a member of the board believe that the laboratory could be more efficient with a
university tie-in.

"It took nine months to find the fingerprint for etorphine," said board member Bob Ward, referring to a drug that has been found in 19 harness horses since the lab in Elgin began testing last summer. "If the laboratory had been an arm of the university instead of an arm of the racing board, maybe it would
only have taken four months."

The other board members, however, do not favor affiliating with the U. of I. "Our laboratory was the one that made the breakthroughs on etorphine, sublimaze, apomorphine and clenbuterol," member Ray Garrison pointed out.

Etorphine is the latest illegal substance to be abused by horsemen in the state. All 19 of the cases involved harness horses and took place between December, 1983, and April, 1985. There were 13 cases at Hawthorne, four at Maywood and two at Balmoral.

The drug, sometimes called "elephant juice," is a strong tranquilizer that, when used in minute amounts, acts as a powerful stimulant. The IRB has penalized six individuals for its use, and a ruling regarding another alleged offender is pending.

"I don't consider 19 cases since December, 1983, to be an etorphine epidemic," said Bill Bissett, IRB executive director.

"We announced last fall at the dates hearings that we had begun testing for the drug. These are the results."

Nine of the cases involved horses trained by Scott Nance, and another was attributed to his brother, Dan. Scott received a lifetime suspension, and Dan was suspended for one year.

James Allen, a 70-year-old trainer, and Ron Thomas, a groom he employed, both were penalized for two cases at Maywood Park in March and April. Allen was suspended for one year and Thomas for five.
The other penalties were assessed to Roger Edwards, a lifetime suspension for four offenses, and Ed Marsh, a one-year suspension for one offense. A ruling is pending regarding Ron Quandt, charged with two offenses April 2 at Maywood.

All these cases were discovered through testing conducted by the IRB lab.


Associated Press September 25, 1984

Trainer Charged with Using Illegal Stimulant on Horse

A suburban horse trainer was charged Tuesday with possessing an illegal elephant tranquilizer that state racing officials say was administered as a stimulant to a horse that won at Hawthorne Race Course in January.

Scott Nance, 21, of suburban Woodridge, surrendered to a representative of the Cook County state's attorney's office at the Maybrook Courthouse in Maywood, said Jewel Klein, staff attorney for the Illinois Racing Board.

Ms. Klein said Nance was charged with possession of the tranquilizer, etorphine, and of a hypodermic needle.

She said Nance, who's been training horses for several years, was released after posting a $5,000 bond.

Traces of the drug were discovered in recent testing at the board's laboratory of a urine sample taken after the January race and then frozen, Ms. Klein said.

"Newly acquired, very sophisticated equipment allowed us to make the detection," she said.

It's believed to be the first time etorphine has been detected as a stimulant for a racehorse, Ms. Klein said.

She could not immeditely identify the racehorse or its winnings.

On Aug. 21, Ms. Klein said, agents from the Illinois Department of Law Enforcement alleged they had found a syringe and hypodermic needle in Nance's car, parked outside the horse barn at Sportsman's Park Race Track.

She said Nance, who was subsequently barred from all Illinois race tracks, has requested a hearing before the racing board.

Investigators then began looking into the horses Nance had dealings with, Ms. Klein said.

I am not making any statement about this information one way or the other.  Rather, I have a question.

Why is Richard Breth NOT required to post a source for this information?

If any other forum member posts information from an article, they are required to post the internet link to it.  I realize the dates of publication are well before information was able to be viewed online.  Since this is likely the case here, it should be cited in the same format as a footnote in a written paper.  Otherwise, the author may be guilty of altering information or something more severe, like plagiarism.  Providing a source for the information would make it possible for interested parties to pull the originals from various archives, if desired.
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« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2006, 10:49:40 AM »

Elsie,

If you haven't noticed, this forum isn't exactly known for its accuracy.
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2006, 11:00:05 AM »

First article. Chicago Tribune, June 18, 1985.

Second article. AP news feed, Sports, September 25, 1984.

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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2006, 11:24:01 AM »

Scott Erlich = snitch?
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2006, 11:47:34 AM »

I am not making any statement about this information one way or the other.  Rather, I have a question.

Why is Richard Breth NOT required to post a source for this information?

If any other forum member posts information from an article, they are required to post the internet link to it.  I realize the dates of publication are well before information was able to be viewed online.  Since this is likely the case here, it should be cited in the same format as a footnote in a written paper.  Otherwise, the author may be guilty of altering information or something more severe, like plagiarism.  Providing a source for the information would make it possible for interested parties to pull the originals from various archives, if desired.

Isn't it obvious that Dick Breath is somehow tied in with management. If not how can he obtain what he posted on a Friday night at around 11PM?

    Let this management person post anything he or she has the desire to post because like I stated above the scumbags only put out the information they want the public to believe. The real truth will be told by someone like me who was there and knows what the truth really is.

    Did you notice that the *** Jewell Klein said they develped a test for M99 in June of 1984? Then they put there little scheme together and decided to come after my brother 2 months later in August. Then they go back to Hawthorne 8 months earlier and test 12 horses for M99 because they had cloudly tests. They don't bother to test the 52 cloudy tests that Farrington had from the summer of 1983 because he is the almighty " Hall Of Famer " who was well known for racing the " Horse God Loved " Rambling Willie. Can't bring down someone like him and slap a bad name on harness racing so go after a 21 year old kid who is just starting to make a name for himself in the business. Don't bother to have a full investigation when the stewards and the IBI learn an owner by the name of Dennis Bowen and his friend Dr. Paul Steinmeyer a vet who was ruled off the track a year earlier when they found illegal drugs in his truck on the baskside of Maywood Park. No, that would be too much trouble to look into what really was going on when Bowen planted his cousin and a goom that went by the name " Bomber " in the stable at Hawthorne that winter. The IRB and their *** lawyer Jewell Klein wanted to make an example out of someone so rather too investigate just say Scott Nance juiced up 12 horses at Hawthorne with M99 and charge him with a felony of a controlled substance. Waste the tax payers money going to court only too have the judge scold the IRB and throw the case right out the door. I was there I witnessed what the judge said. Oh, let me not forget to mention that Dr. Paul Steinmeyer was also Farrington's vet during the summer of 1983. I learned M99 cost about $8000 to purchase and could only be bought by a licensed vet, not some 21 year old trainer that didn't even have $8000 cash in his pocket to purchase a controlled substance. Let a crooked owner Dennis Bowen go on owning horses and send a young trainer away for 12 years, that's the IRB at work at their finest. Tell me? If Scott Nance was guilty why didn't the life suspension hold up? Why did the IRB give him his license back 12 years later after my brother filed a $250,000 law suit against the IRB that dragged out in court for years.  

   That article that Dick breath posted was only released to make the IRB look good to the public and make everyone think they were doing such a great job. Yeah, they're doing such a fine job today letting cheaters with numerous positives and 6 month suspensions walk around and keep racing while they tell the public they are extending his stay so they can investigate how gout got into his horses. Give me a *** break already with this bullshit. Those ***hole at the IRB and their lawyer don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Isn't that right Rick Dane?  
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2006, 11:55:34 AM »

    Great post Dan, Can you tell us what happened in Scott's lawsuit against the IRB. Good or bad please let us know, I understand its hard to sue the IRB and get anything but I still would like to know.
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2006, 12:02:23 PM »

    Great post Dan, Can you tell us what happened in Scott's lawsuit against the IRB. Good or bad please let us know, I understand its hard to sue the IRB and get anything but I still would like to know.

Better yet. Dan post the docket number of Scotts case. So we can read the transcipt ourselfs. free of any of your interpetation.
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2006, 12:04:37 PM »

Isn't it obvious that Dick Breath is somehow tied in with management. If not how can he obtain what he posted on a Friday night at around 11PM?

It was all ready on my computer from some time before. Another theory down.
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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2006, 12:05:56 PM »

First article. Chicago Tribune, June 18, 1985.

Second article. AP news feed, Sports, September 25, 1984.

I am glad you do have the sources to list.  Page numbers would be nice, but that is likely asking too much.

Now, please go back and place this information in the original post, just like anyone else would be expected to do.

Thank you!
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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2006, 12:10:26 PM »

    Great post Dan, Can you tell us what happened in Scott's lawsuit against the IRB. Good or bad please let us know, I understand its hard to sue the IRB and get anything but I still would like to know.

After the suit dragged out in court for years the IRB offered to give Scott his license back if he dropped his lawsuit. That's when Scott got his license back in Feb. of 1996 at Hawthorne. Scott had a guy by the name of Riccolo claim the horse " Nutty Irishman " at Hawthorne. In his first start for Scott after his 12 year abstinence with Morgan driving the horse won by 3 and paid something like $18 I beieve. I went down to the winners circle and shook my brothers hand and said to him " welcome back ". It was a great moment for him I'm sure after waiting 12 years.
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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2006, 12:17:38 PM »

Better yet. Dan post the docket number of Scotts case. So we can read the transcipt ourselfs. free of any of your interpetation.

The docket number from what? The felony charge of a controlled substance that was dismissed by the judge after he ripped into the IRB lawyer and the IBI for waisting the courts time? Man that was a classic to watch the judge rip the ass off the IRB and IBI for waisting the tax payers money, you should have been there.

    Or, the docket number from the lawsuit filed?
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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2006, 12:30:34 PM »

After the suit dragged out in court for years the IRB offered to give Scott his license back if he dropped his lawsuit. That's when Scott got his license back in Feb. of 1996 at Hawthorne. Scott had a guy by the name of Riccolo claim the horse " Nutty Irishman " at Hawthorne. In his first start for Scott after his 12 year abstinence with Morgan driving the horse won by 3 and paid something like $18 I beieve. I went down to the winners circle and shook my brothers hand and said to him " welcome back ". It was a great moment for him I'm sure after waiting 12 years.

Dan I know you and your brother are settled down in Las Vegas but wouldn't it be nice to come in in the summer months to train a couple? Once your a trainer its in your blood for life its not easy to remove I know you'll always miss it somewhat. Many of these guy's today are not real trainers today they just as well list the vet as the trainer. The bills that some of these owners get these days are unbelievible if I was an owner I surely would not show freinds my vet bills today because I would be embarrased. You had more real "TRAINERS" back in the 1970's and 1980's. I think JOE BLOW could get a trainers license these day's, get a top vet and inject, inject and inject and I forgot pre-race week after week and bat .400 until they break them down, then they just find a new horse and do it over and over again.
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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2006, 12:31:22 PM »

The docket number from what? The felony charge of a controlled substance that was dismissed by the judge after he ripped into the IRB lawyer and the IBI for waisting the courts time? Man that was a classic to watch the judge rip the ass off the IRB and IBI for waisting the tax payers money, you should have been there.

    Or, the docket number from the lawsuit filed?

Both would be OK. If there are more those also.
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