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Dan Nance
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« on: January 05, 2006, 10:49:27 PM »

All stand behind Joe Dakuras and demand that he be allowed to race and train again at Balmoral.

    If Rucker can get off with 6 positives then there is no reason why Joe shouldn't be allowed to train horses and race them in Chicago.

    While he's in law school he still can find the time to train a few head because after all his first love in life is racing horses. Because of a few evil people he was stripped of his right to participate.
   
    It's makes no sense to me that guys like Rucker and Joe (the knife) can race but Joe Dakuras can't when he never had a positive test. I would claim 2 horses in a heartbeat and give them to Joe to train because the guy knows what he's doing and I know unlike Ledford I could trust him not to lie to me.

    So, come on horseman if you want to do the right thing for one of your fellow horseman get a petition together and demand that Joe be allowed to race again. It's not guys like Joe Dakuras that are going to hurt you, it's the other cheaters you really have to worry about.   
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 11:37:26 PM »

61 views so far and not one post saying " yeah I'll back Joe ". What's wrong, don't want to back Joe because you're afraid you might land in the gestapo's dog house?
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2006, 12:28:46 AM »

Dan

You said "It's not guys like Joe Dakuras are going to hurt you,  IT'S THE OTHER CHEATERS...!!!  Are you saying Joe is a cheater but on a smaller scale than Rucker or Anderson?
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2006, 12:41:15 AM »

61 views so far and not one post saying " yeah I'll back Joe ". What's wrong, don't want to back Joe because you're afraid you might land in the gestapo's dog house?
THE ONLY JOE THAT SHOULD BE BACKED IN THIS BUSINESS BOYS, IS JOE ANDERSON.  HE MADE RACING FANS COME OUT TO THE TRACK AGAIN.  AND HE'S STILL THE BEST!  HE DOESN'T HIDE IN AN OTB ALL DAY.  HE'S AT THE BARN MAKING CHAMPIONS.  YOU SHOULD ALL THANK HIM JUST TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE GUY OUT ON THE TRACK IS LIKE WATCHING JOE MONTANA WORKING HIS MAGIC OUT ON THE FIELD.  ONE DAY JOE (TENNESSEE); JOE THAT IS, SHOULD OPEN A FANTASY CAMP AND YOU CRY-BABIES PAY A FEE JUST TO HANG OUT WITH HIM!!!  GET OVER IT OR GET BACK IN IT AND LET'S JUST SEE IF YOU COULD EVEN COMPETE AT A LEVEL WITH GUYS LIKE ANDERSON, RUCKER, OR PLETCHER!! Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2006, 12:49:09 AM »

THE ONLY JOE THAT SHOULD BE BACKED IN THIS BUSINESS BOYS, IS JOE ANDERSON.  HE MADE RACING FANS COME OUT TO THE TRACK AGAIN.  AND HE'S STILL THE BEST!  HE DOESN'T HIDE IN AN OTB ALL DAY.  HE'S AT THE BARN MAKING CHAMPIONS.  YOU SHOULD ALL THANK HIM JUST TO BE ABLE TO WATCH THE GUY OUT ON THE TRACK IS LIKE WATCHING JOE MONTANA WORKING HIS MAGIC OUT ON THE FIELD.  ONE DAY JOE (TENNESSEE); JOE THAT IS, SHOULD OPEN A FANTASY CAMP AND YOU CRY-BABIES PAY A FEE JUST TO HANG OUT WITH HIM!!!  GET OVER IT OR GET BACK IN IT AND LET'S JUST SEE IF YOU COULD EVEN COMPETE AT A LEVEL WITH GUYS LIKE ANDERSON, RUCKER, OR PLETCHER!! Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry

Oh BROTHER.  Joe Anderson = Joe Montana?   This is comparing apples and manhole covers.  If the horsemen are glad the strike is over, then so am I.  I can't wait to see Big Head Hundreds again maybe twice a week.........
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2006, 01:07:57 AM »

Everyone I know in or from Tennessee is either a drug addict or drug manufacturer(meth these days) so don't use Tennessee as a nick name or as a compliment anymore.  It's not the same great place it use to be!  I know,  I grew up most of my youth there and my last visit over Thanksgiving was sickening.  Tennessee leads the country in Meth production,  meth lab busts and children in state custody because of drug addicted parents being incarcerated at alarming rates.  This was on the front page of the Tennessean Newspaper the Friday after Thanksgiving.  So Joe being a master chemist with horses was no suprise to me.  Rural Franklin County had already made 44 meth lab busts as of Nov.1st.  It's an epidemic!  I want Joe to pee in a bottle at this fantasy camp and send it in for testing.  The apple never falls too far from the tree.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2006, 02:13:48 AM »

WILL YOU BE GIVING JOE D THE SAME M99 THAT YOU AND SCOTT USED TO LIGHT THEM UP? JOE D AINT A BAD GUY BUT HE IS BETTER OFF STAYING IN LAW SCHOOL. HE WILL NEED THAT LAW DEGREE TO BAIL THE CHEATIN HORSEMEN OUT WHEN THEY GO TO CHEATIN!!! YOU BETTER ASK JOE D IF YOU CAN USE HIS NAME ON HERE OR HE MIGHT FILE A LAWSUIT AGINST YOU. BE HONEST DAN, JOE D COULD CHEAT WITH THE BEST OF THEM IN HIS DAY. I SAW HIM STIFF A HORSE FOR 3 MONTHS STRAIGHT  AND THEN CASH BIGGGGGGG. THE STEAWRDS MUST HAVE BEEN BLIND BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE THE HORSES NECK BEING TWISTED ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STRETCH AND SUDDENLY, OH HE JUST FALLS SHORT AND ENDS UP IN SECOND PLACE. I SEEN IT TIME AFTER TIME. HES NO ANGEL BUT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RACE IMO. JOE ALWAYS HAD A TRICK OR TWO UP HIS SLEEVE AND WAS PRETTY SLICK ABOUT IT. I AINT SAYIN NOTHING BAD ABOUT EITHER OF YOU GUYS BUT I THINK BOTH JOE AND YOU ARE BETTER OFF THAN RACING FOR THE CHEAP PURSES AS YOU PUT IT!!!I AM JUST HAPPY TO BE BACK RACING AND MAKING MONEY. THE STRIKE IS OVER SO ITS BACK TO WORK. NICE XMAS PRESENT FOR ALL OF THE HORSEMEN!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2006, 02:59:50 AM »

I will back joe dakuras. He has a great passion and should be allowed to
Train horses. I'll send you a horse if you can get me some colorado river toads. Dan are these toads to be eaten or kept as pets Huh?
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2006, 10:57:48 AM »

Let's set the record straight...Joe Dakuras is NOT suspended.  Joe has a valid racing license in Ontario and enter 100 head there if he wishes.  Joe had a beef with the Gestapo over their refusal to accept his entries.  That all played out in arbitration.  Johnnie Johnston himself told Joe over the holidays to come in to his office ANYTIME to discuss his options at Maywood and Balmoral - FACT.  Joe Parisi, Mr. Dakuras' attorney, has been informed by Mr. Laino that Joe is welcome to reapply ANYTIME.  I sat at the meeting Tuesday next to John McCarthy, a prominent owner and he even was misled as to the status of Mr. Dakuras.  Joe felt it was unjust that he was stopped for a matter of time doing what he loved to do - train (and drive) horses. 

  On a personal note, I find Joe to be a nice guy who would give you the shirt (or UNLV jersey - LOL) off his back if he could.  I'm proud to call him a friend.  We don't go back a long way, but I really value his opinions on this forum and I support his goal to pursue a better life through higher education.  Shame on anyone who disrespects a person's attempt to make a better life for themselves.  Good luck to him next semester and I hope one day to have him represent me in a legal matter.  Joe may never end up an Ivy League Phi Beta Kappa, but with his education complete, his passion, and his savvy, I know I'll be getting an advocate (lawyer) on my side.  TC
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2006, 11:11:56 AM »

The only difference between Rucker and Dakuras is that JD never had  the amount of horses to train otherwise he'd have had just as many POSITIVES! Be real, JD was a REAL THIEF. Lets see, Joe Dakuras atty. Now think about that. Aren't many (not all) attys scum?
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2006, 11:22:23 AM »

Lets see, Joe Dakuras atty. Now think about that. Aren't many (not all) attys scum?

?what do you call 1000 atty's  buried in the bottom of the sea???
Aa good start
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2006, 11:46:56 AM »

lawyers are evil sure right up intil you need one.my lawyer saved me from buying a farm with 3 leens on it.i raced with dakuras in 2000 and 2001 and never saw him load one and my row was across from his.ruckers and anderson is big time joe was a champion of us littler guys.i got no problem with him.i was happy to see him at the meeting and he got as much to say as dummys who got up and looked dumb talkin about slots that aint goona get here becuse of old man billy johnson the sob.now that were back racin i say get rid of the big crooks now.you know who you are.truth
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2006, 12:49:29 PM »

WILL YOU BE GIVING JOE D THE SAME M99 THAT YOU AND SCOTT USED TO LIGHT THEM UP? JOE D AINT A BAD GUY BUT HE IS BETTER OFF STAYING IN LAW SCHOOL. HE WILL NEED THAT LAW DEGREE TO BAIL THE CHEATIN HORSEMEN OUT WHEN THEY GO TO CHEATIN!!! YOU BETTER ASK JOE D IF YOU CAN USE HIS NAME ON HERE OR HE MIGHT FILE A LAWSUIT AGINST YOU. BE HONEST DAN, JOE D COULD CHEAT WITH THE BEST OF THEM IN HIS DAY. I SAW HIM STIFF A HORSE FOR 3 MONTHS STRAIGHT  AND THEN CASH BIGGGGGGG. THE STEAWRDS MUST HAVE BEEN BLIND BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE THE HORSES NECK BEING TWISTED ALL THE WAY DOWN THE STRETCH AND SUDDENLY, OH HE JUST FALLS SHORT AND ENDS UP IN SECOND PLACE. I SEEN IT TIME AFTER TIME. HES NO ANGEL BUT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO RACE IMO. JOE ALWAYS HAD A TRICK OR TWO UP HIS SLEEVE AND WAS PRETTY SLICK ABOUT IT. I AINT SAYIN NOTHING BAD ABOUT EITHER OF YOU GUYS BUT I THINK BOTH JOE AND YOU ARE BETTER OFF THAN RACING FOR THE CHEAP PURSES AS YOU PUT IT!!!I AM JUST HAPPY TO BE BACK RACING AND MAKING MONEY. THE STRIKE IS OVER SO ITS BACK TO WORK. NICE XMAS PRESENT FOR ALL OF THE HORSEMEN!!

Sorry Charlie, hate to disappoint you but I never used M99. Looking back now I sure wish I had because I should have been the biggest cheater around and filled my pockets with nothing but cash like Rucker does. It pays off in this business to cheat your ass off and make as much money as you can instead of being Joe Honest and grow old and busted like 80% of the horseman are. Whatever money was made off M99 was made by Dennis Bowen and Dr. Paul Steinmeyer because they were the ones who knew they had some bustout groom working for us who was hitting Bowens horses behind our back. Bowen took the money he made and snorted it up his noise and Steinmeyer no doubt spent his money trying to get himself out of debt. Well, good for them. Bowen is dead now (probably from too much coke up his noise) and who knows where Steinmeyer is.

    Talk about setting horses up, there was no one better at that then the Redman himself. Go have a conversation someday with Dean Collins and he'll fill you in on that operation. And talk about M99? The Redman and the white haired guy from down under made so much money in the summer of 1983 off that shit they might be still spending the money.

    I need some hard core proof before I start believing someone is a crook and a cheat. I don't listen to hearsay or rumors about someone and lable that person no good. I don't ever recall seeing anything posted on the board in the racing office that Joe Dakuras cheated in a race. Nor have I seen any suspension's posted in the racing office with Joe's name on them.

    On the other hand I did see proof the Rucker has had MANY positive tests over the last several years. And the same goes for Joe (the knife). So, that proves to me that they are big time cheaters.

     We all know that Joe can get a Illinois Racing Board license but the fact is that the Johnston's are keeping him from racing at their tracks. They spent $60,000 fighting to keep him out so why would anyone think they would now let him back. I believe when a horseman is BLACKBALLED all the other horseman should stand behind that person and refuse to enter unless that person is allowed to race. But, in Chicago and everywhere else for that matter horseman are only worried about their own welfare until something bad happens to them as in the case of Rick Dane.

     I know one thing for sure. If they did to me what they did to Joe without any proof that I did something wrong and accused me of something because some goof wrote bad letters about me I would be spending every dime I could get my hands on suing every last person I could if it took me 20 years to do so. No two bit ***hole *** would ever ruin my name and take away my right to race without paying the price one way or another.

     So, whoever wants to form a negatve opinion about Joe Dakuras go right ahead but I think the guy got the royal shaft from the Johnston's while they ruined any chance of Joe ever being able to obtain any big time owners or horses because they dragged his name through the mud. And for that reason alone if I were Joe I would be suing them for every dime they have. And let me point out to everyone that Joe is not my good friend and I hardy know Joe and have only talked to him a few times but until someone shows me hard core proof that Joe did something wrong I'm not buying the bullshit I read about him on this forum, nor do I think the Johnston's have the right to ruin the man's name.       
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2006, 02:45:53 PM »

The way I understand it joe's vet gave a horse the wrong horse a shot, easy done... vets work on horses alof the time with out the triner, yes kelly may have been in the barn But she may have been in the wash stall. when ruckers vet did this rucker got nothing but a bigger stable.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2006, 03:03:14 PM »

Dan

I was only pointing out that the way you worded your comments on Joe,  it came across as Joe was a small time cheater that other horsemen didn't really need to worry about.  I wasn't commenting on Joe myself,  just your choice of words.
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2006, 05:07:47 PM »

Dan

I was only pointing out that the way you worded your comments on Joe,  it came across as Joe was a small time cheater that other horsemen didn't really need to worry about.  I wasn't commenting on Joe myself,  just your choice of words.

That's what everyone does, they turn my words around. I said nothing about Joe being any kind of small time cheater. What I said was it's not guys like Joe people need to worry about, it's the Ruckers and Anderson's who people should be looking to get thrown out for stealing other horseman's purse money. These guys are allowed to race no matter how many positives they get but yet they won't take Joe's entries because some total goof who is nothing but a crook himself writes a letter and gets Joe's entries denied.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2006, 07:52:46 PM »

ANYONE CAUGHT CHEATING SHOULD BE  BANNED FOR LIFE  ONCE  A  CROOK ALWAYS A CROOK
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2006, 08:03:09 PM »

ANYONE CAUGHT CHEATING SHOULD BE  BANNED FOR LIFE  ONCE  A  CROOK ALWAYS A CROOK

Then I guess that leaves about 50 people left in the business. Dumbest statement I've ever head.
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2006, 08:09:51 PM »

WELL DAN LETS PUT IT THIS WAY SOMEONE YOU KNOW LETS  SAY   A FRIEND STEALS MONEY OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND MAYBE  OR MAYBE YOUR IDENTITY AND COST YOU TONS OF MONEY AND HEADACHES  WOULD YOU WANT HIM BACK ON THE STREETS OR WOULD YOU LET HIM BE CLOSE TO  YOU AND BE YOUR FRIEND  AGAIN ..  I DON'T  THINK  SO !!!  NOT  SO DUMB  NOW ..  YET LETTING SOMEONE  CHEAT YOU AND THEN GIVE HIM OR  HER  ANOTHER  CHANCE TO DO IT  AGAIN NOW THATS PRETTY  DUMB
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2006, 08:44:49 PM »

WELL DAN LETS PUT IT THIS WAY SOMEONE YOU KNOW LETS  SAY   A FRIEND STEALS MONEY OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND MAYBE  OR MAYBE YOUR IDENTITY AND COST YOU TONS OF MONEY AND HEADACHES  WOULD YOU WANT HIM BACK ON THE STREETS OR WOULD YOU LET HIM BE CLOSE TO  YOU AND BE YOUR FRIEND  AGAIN ..  I DON'T  THINK  SO !!!  NOT  SO DUMB  NOW ..  YET LETTING SOMEONE  CHEAT YOU AND THEN GIVE HIM OR  HER  ANOTHER  CHANCE TO DO IT  AGAIN NOW THATS PRETTY  DUMB

I don't understand what you're talking about and what you just said doesn't come close to your statement that all cheaters should be banned for life. I assume you meant the cheaters in harness racing.

   If your statement meant the cheaters in harness racing which I'm sure it did then what I said is that it would leave about 50 people left. If you consider any trainer who got a positive or many positives or any driver who stiffed a horse or a crooked owner as cheaters then there would not be many people left in racing. Now do you get my drift? You said all cheaters should be barred for life didn't you? Then let's start banning Rucker, Joe (the knife), and the rest who's names are up on the board in the racing office. Or should we get the printout from the USTA on all the violations in the country and start banning all the people who are cheaters? Don't talk to me about a friend robbing your house when that has nothing to do with what you said about cheaters in harness racing. According to you they should ban 90% of the horseman because they have cheated at one time or another. That was your words not mine.   
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2006, 10:12:17 PM »

Dan, there wouldnt be only 50 people left in the business. Because once you ANNOUNCE a zero tolerance policy, and then actually make an example out of somebody, it will stop. THE IRB had a perfect chance to make an example out of Ken Rucker. They didn't.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2006, 10:14:43 PM »

Dan, there wouldnt be only 50 people left in the business. Because once you ANNOUNCE a zero tolerance policy, and then actually make an example out of somebody, it will stop. THE IRB had a perfect chance to make an example out of Ken Rucker. They didn't.

Like how M99 stopped when the IRB made an example of some one.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2006, 10:22:14 PM »

DAN THATS  WHY ITS  A  DYING  GAME BECAUSE THEY CAN'T OR RATHER WON'T CLEAN IT UP... YOU SAID IT  AND YOU KNOW IT IT'S  A  CROOKED  GAME 90%  OF THE  TIME IS  A  LITTLE HARSH MORE LIKE 60% BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE BAD TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH NOT TO EAT THE SAME STUFF SO LETS START KICKING THE SCUM OUT AND MAYBE THINGS WILL  CHANGE BUT UNTIL THE GET TUFF ON THE  CHEATERS  THE  CHEATERS WILL STILL ALWAYS  CHEAT
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2006, 10:32:02 PM »

Like how M99 stopped when the IRB made an example of some one.

Spoken like a true management person. And who were you referring to when you made this statement? MY BROTHER, because he was the guy they made an example out of when they gave him life? They didn't make an example out of Dennis Bowen or they didn't go after the Redman with his 52 cloudy tests when they started testing for the shit.

   Hey management person, don't talk about my brother being an example because I'll have to tell you.... you are a no good ***, ***hole!
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2006, 10:37:18 PM »

Spoken like a true management person. And who were you referring to when you made this statement? MY BROTHER, because he was the guy they made an example out of when they gave him life? They didn't make an example out of Dennis Bowen or they didn't go after the Redman with his 52 cloudy tests when they started testing for the shit.

   Hey management person, don't talk about my brother being an example because I'll have to tell you.... you are a no good ***, ***hole!

No need to be upset. Just "telling it like it is". As some people here always say. Did IRB make an example of him or not? Yes. Did the M99 epidemic stop or not? Yes. What about "trainer responsibility"?
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