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Author Topic: BALMORAL STALL RENT  (Read 5249 times)
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2006, 08:30:20 PM »

Dan
Keeneland charges stall rent.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2006, 08:42:54 PM »

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Keeneland charges stall rent.

Nothing surprises me these days.
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2006, 09:08:37 PM »



<<Keeneland charges stall rent.>>

Keeneland races only two very short meets each year. Fewer than 10% of the races written are claiming events. The horses ship in, race for huge money and go home, where ever "home" may be. Very few stay in the Keeneland barn areas, as first class as they are, for more than a day or two.
There are more than a few tracks in this country that could learn a thing or two by watching the operation in Lexington
Wish the same could be said for the Red Mile BUT, if the proposed constitutional amendment is placed on this falls ballot and should it pass (all bets right now say it will since KEEP seems to be going at 'em the right way) full blown casinos will be in KY's future including the Lexington plant that would benefit both Lexington's tracks. Time will tell!
 It will happen before that scheme in Nevada comes to fruition however. What happened to that half-baked idea?
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2006, 09:19:30 PM »


<<Keeneland charges stall rent.>>

Keeneland races only two very short meets each year. Fewer than 10% of the races written are claiming events. The horses ship in, race for huge money and go home, where ever "home" may be. Very few stay in the Keeneland barn areas, as first class as they are, for more than a day or two.
There are more than a few tracks in this country that could learn a thing or two by watching the operation in Lexington
Wish the same could be said for the Red Mile BUT, if the proposed constitutional amendment is placed on this falls ballot and should it pass (all bets right now say it will since KEEP seems to be going at 'em the right way) full blown casinos will be in KY's future including the Lexington plant that would benefit both Lexington's tracks. Time will tell!
 It will happen before that scheme in Nevada comes to fruition however. What happened to that half-baked idea?

What happened? People are all talk no action.
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2006, 09:48:14 PM »

So now that the strike is over, Are the Johnstons still charging stall Rent?
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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2006, 10:07:41 PM »

So now that the strike is over, Are the Johnstons still charging stall Rent?

Of course not!! And those Gout positives the Rucker and Darcy have will disappear also.
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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2006, 10:17:57 PM »

there are horses who are stabled year around at keenland who pay stall rent.  They are not charged in april and october when they race.  And if memorey serves me it is around 200 a month per stall
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2006, 10:34:50 PM »

ummm...there's no way i would pay 150 bucks per month to stay there!
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already did this - movinawayfaraway
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2006, 10:42:06 PM »

IMO NO STALL RENT will be charged due to the legalities of searching a place when there is rent being charged. I believe the tracks and IRB would have to get search warrants ect.. in order to search.  When no rent is charged IMO the laws are more relaxed as to when and how a barn can be searched    Maybe some of the leagal eagles out there know about this.
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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2006, 07:24:11 AM »

there are horses who are stabled year around at keenland who pay stall rent.  They are not charged in april and october when they race.  And if memorey serves me it is around 200 a month per stall

That would be the training facility/track, an entirely separate operation. Much like stabling at "a farm".
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2006, 01:36:14 PM »

Without horses there is no show. Without a show the track owners make ZERO.


Except that's not true. There is a show and it is broadcast from various high caliber tracks across the country. And without the expenses and annoyances of horsemen the track owners might well make more.
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2006, 02:31:11 PM »

IMO NO STALL RENT will be charged due to the legalities of searching a place when there is rent being charged. I believe the tracks and IRB would have to get search warrants ect.. in order to search.  When no rent is charged IMO the laws are more relaxed as to when and how a barn can be searched    Maybe some of the leagal eagles out there know about this.


Where did you come up with this idea? Huh The rules allow the IRB unrestricted access to racetrack grounds. It's still racetrack grounds whether stall rent is charged or not.
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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2006, 05:35:08 PM »

IMO if and when the racetracks start charging stall rent,  it becomes a landlord/ tennant type of relationship in the eyes of the law.  A different set of criteria for searching applys to that relationship.  I'm trying to contact a attorney acquaintance of mine to see if i am correct.
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2006, 06:06:18 PM »

.  I'm trying to contact a attorney acquaintance of mine to see if i am correct.
since when did attornies know what is right and wrong...judges decide that
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2006, 09:42:09 PM »

If you cant afford 5.00 a day stall rent then you are in the wrong occupation.When I cant afford somthing,I do something else!One of the biggest problems in the horse game is too many people think everyone owes them somthing. Had it been brought out as a "Cost of energy surcharge" then all it would be is a additional cost of running a stable.Be thankful you have a place to race at all. Just 3 days ago you were making plans to share canned goods!
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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2006, 10:24:23 PM »

IMO if and when the racetracks start charging stall rent,  it becomes a landlord/ tennant type of relationship in the eyes of the law.  A different set of criteria for searching applys to that relationship.  I'm trying to contact a attorney acquaintance of mine to see if i am correct.

Just make sure that attorney friend of yours reads the Illinois law and IRB rules regulating horse racing before making his pronouncement.

I'll guarantee neither of you know that in NJ, the racing commission not only has the right to conduct raids and searches without a warrant on racetrack grounds, they also have that right on any licensed premises, which in NJ includes training farms. I can assure you that training farms charge stall rent.  Grin

By the way, if lawyers always know the right answer to everthing why is it that there is always a losing attorney in every civil and criminal case?  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2006, 10:32:04 PM »

By the way, if lawyers always know the right answer to everthing why is it that there is always a losing attorney in every civil and criminal case?  Grin

They do know the right answer. Right or wrong they make money.
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2006, 10:33:06 PM »

They do know the right answer. Right or wrong they make money.

You do have a point there. Wink
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« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2006, 11:16:44 PM »

Just make sure that attorney friend of yours reads the Illinois law and IRB rules regulating horse racing before making his pronouncement.

I'll guarantee neither of you know that in NJ, the racing commission not only has the right to conduct raids and searches without a warrant on racetrack grounds, they also have that right on any licensed premises, which in NJ includes training farms. I can assure you that training farms charge stall rent.  Grin

By the way, if lawyers always know the right answer to everthing why is it that there is always a losing attorney in every civil and criminal case?  Grin

I think you forgot the part where they have to let you know that there going to search the farm first. And anyway how many people have they ever caught? 2 MAYBE.
N.J. has turned into a complete joke.

And another thing have you noticed how many Chicago Horses and Illinois breds have been winning at the BIG-M? Doesn't it kill you guy's out there when Chicago Trainers just walk right in and take over. We have some average trainers in Chicago and when they go to NJ they make it look easy.
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2006, 11:01:32 AM »

I think you forgot the part where they have to let you know that there going to search the farm first. And anyway how many people have they ever caught? 2 MAYBE.
N.J. has turned into a complete joke.

And another thing have you noticed how many Chicago Horses and Illinois breds have been winning at the BIG-M? Doesn't it kill you guy's out there when Chicago Trainers just walk right in and take over. We have some average trainers in Chicago and when they go to NJ they make it look easy.

No, in NJ they don't have to let you know they are going to search the farm first. That's the whole idea. No warrants, no advance notice...no anything.

It doesn't bother me one iota that Illinois horses and trainers are doing well in NJ. Why should it? I'd be curious as to who from Illinois that is an "average trainer" is "making it look easy?" Mr. Rucker...king of the drug positives?  Is Erv Miller suddenly an "average" trainer? Roll Eyes Rick Dane certainly wasn't among the Meadowlands leaders last year.
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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2006, 11:49:35 AM »

 NJP, You forgot to tell everyone here that the rule only applies to NJ and not NY. So if your stabled in NY like many of the 10-time drug offenders are you have no worry. Nice rule.

Noel Daley, Brett Pelling, and a cast of others have had more positives for harher drugs then Rucker and they seem to never miss a beat.

My believe is that the BIG-M just like Balmoral and Maywood figure they can save money by not tying up these drug positives cases up in court for years and having to spend any of there money defending themselves. It seems they just dont really care if the betting public gets the shaft anymore.

With people suing over almost anything these days I am very surprised no patron or racing fan has ever tried sueing to get there betting money back when the winner has gotten disqualified at a later time for a drug positive. If a trainer had many lifetime positives and always seem to get away with it I think there would be grounds for a case in the courtroom. It might sound stupid and a longshot but people have sued for far worse. It would really be interesting and I think the proper case could really have grounds to be heard in a court of law. I have always thought I might read about this one day, maybe you already have either way tell me what you think. Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2006, 01:11:47 PM »

NJP, You forgot to tell everyone here that the rule only applies to NJ and not NY. So if your stabled in NY like many of the 10-time drug offenders are you have no worry. Nice rule.

Noel Daley, Brett Pelling, and a cast of others have had more positives for harher drugs then Rucker and they seem to never miss a beat.

My believe is that the BIG-M just like Balmoral and Maywood figure they can save money by not tying up these drug positives cases up in court for years and having to spend any of there money defending themselves. It seems they just dont really care if the betting public gets the shaft anymore.

With people suing over almost anything these days I am very surprised no patron or racing fan has ever tried sueing to get there betting money back when the winner has gotten disqualified at a later time for a drug positive. If a trainer had many lifetime positives and always seem to get away with it I think there would be grounds for a case in the courtroom. It might sound stupid and a longshot but people have sued for far worse. It would really be interesting and I think the proper case could really have grounds to be heard in a court of law. I have always thought I might read about this one day, maybe you already have either way tell me what you think. Smiley

Where did I forget to say that the rule applies only to NJ and not to NY?  Here's what I said: "I'll guarantee neither of you know that in NJ, the racing commission not only has the right to conduct raids and searches without a warrant on racetrack grounds, they also have that right on any licensed premises, which in NJ includes training farms. I can assure you that training farms charge stall rent." Then I said :"No, in NJ they don't have to let you know they are going to search the farm first. That's the whole idea. No warrants, no advance notice...no anything." Do you see how both those statements just say NJ?

And who are the "10-time drug offenders" you claim are stabled in NY to avoid NJ rules? Not Pelling or Daley or Rucker. They've always been in NJ. I can think of one person currently on suspension (and not a 10 time offender) who is stabled in NY...and he's from Chicago...not a NJ regular!
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