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« on: January 05, 2006, 01:16:45 PM »

Balmoral security handed out stall rent contracts today. 5.00 A DAY starting Monday 1 month in advance. they can lick my sack! Angry
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2006, 01:22:28 PM »

Balmoral security handed out stall rent contracts today. 5.00 A DAY starting Monday 1 month in advance. they can lick my sack! Angry

Thats one way to kick the horsemen off the backside without formaly kicking.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2006, 01:25:30 PM »

Balmoral security handed out stall rent contracts today. 5.00 A DAY starting Monday 1 month in advance. they can lick my sack! Angry

and you think you have the right to stay there for free?
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2006, 01:27:05 PM »

and you think you have the right to stay there for free?

Good question. If they arent racing. What is stall rent at a farm? $12-$15 a day?
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2006, 01:42:21 PM »

most farms are around 10 a day, this includes feed and bedding
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2006, 01:42:39 PM »

Off stride,  I've been a top 10 trainer for many years in chicago and never had to pay stall rent. Off stride are you one of the balmoral stooges?
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2006, 01:45:52 PM »

Good question. If they arent racing. What is stall rent at a farm? $12-$15 a day?

When we want your advice we'll rattle on your cage. Go tell your management friends to shove their stall rent up their ass.

    Just another strong armed tactic by the gestapo to put pressure on the horseman.
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2006, 01:46:11 PM »

Arethey making any stipulations that if you are stabled there that you must enter or anything?
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2006, 01:47:25 PM »

most farms are around 10 a day, this includes feed and bedding

Thanks
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2006, 01:50:29 PM »

Arethey making any stipulations that if you are stabled there that you must enter or anything?

The " strong Arm " gestapo tactics are starting now. Dick Breath is behind the gestapo and thinks it's ok to charge stall rent.
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2006, 01:50:48 PM »

I've been a top 10 trainer for many years in chicago

Interesting screen name to choose for a top 10 trainer.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2006, 01:51:49 PM »

Hey 324 that sounds pretty cheap,do you live in Wisconsin or something ?
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2006, 01:56:00 PM »

324,  Most farms 10 a day includes shavings not feed. The horseman can't afford it that's why alot of people stay on the track. Sad but true.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2006, 01:56:29 PM »

A little pressure on the old tush.


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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2006, 01:58:43 PM »

DICK BREATH,   YOU LIKE MY NAME? I EAT ALOT OF BEANS.
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2006, 01:59:37 PM »

DICK BREATH,   YOU LIKE MY NAME? I EAT ALOT OF BEANS.

Yes. It is a good name.
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2006, 02:11:26 PM »

Off stride,  I've been a top 10  balmoral stooge
perhaps if you are racing your 'high octane stock' at the track you should get stall space...but not while you are on strike...you are stealing from them...
by the way...did you get that name by pumping...

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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2006, 02:24:06 PM »

OFF STRIDE, THE JOHNSTONS CAN BLOW MY JOHNSON! Shocked
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2006, 02:31:12 PM »

OFF STRIDE, THE JOHNSTONS CAN BLOW MY JOHNSON! Shocked

here...this will help you find it for them...
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2006, 02:36:11 PM »

THEY JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR PIEHOLE FOR MEASUREMENTS. Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2006, 06:53:11 PM »

I'm surprised they haven't charged rent before.Who would think you can board a horse for nothing at a farm that they take care of everything.(track,manure removal,ect....)
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2006, 07:09:06 PM »

I'm surprised they haven't charged rent before.Who would think you can board a horse for nothing at a farm that they take care of everything.(track,manure removal,ect....)

Hey Jerky! show me one t-bred track that charges stall rent. Do you think the t-breds are paying stall rent at Hawthorne while they aren't racing. Hell No!!!! And they race for 5 times the money the harness races for. Without horses there is no show. Without a show the track owners make ZERO.

    What the Johnston's should do is go out and spend about 5 million and buy 900 head of horses and race them at their own meet and keep all the money because that's what they want, ALL THE MONEY!

    They can hire guys like Duncan Price, Dennis Brightwell, Brad Moffitt, Darcy Pletcher, Ira Smolin, and several others and pay $300 a week to train their horses and things will be just fine for the Johnston's. Not only can they make money on the handle they also can keep all the purse money too.

    I think that would be the solution to the problem. 
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« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2006, 07:09:59 PM »

I'm surprised they haven't charged rent before.Who would think you can board a horse for nothing at a farm that they take care of everything.(track,manure removal,ect....)

Hey Jerky! show me one t-bred track that charges stall rent. Do you think the t-breds are paying stall rent at Hawthorne while they aren't racing. Hell No!!!! And they race for 5 times the money the harness races for. Without horses there is no show. Without a show the track owners make ZERO.

    What the Johnston's should do is go out and spend about 5 million and buy 900 head of horses and race them at their own meet and keep all the money because that's what they want, ALL THE MONEY!

    They can hire guys like Duncan Price, Dennis Brightwell, Brad Moffitt, Darcy Pletcher, Ira Smolin, and several others and pay $300 a week to train their horses and things will be just fine for the Johnston's. Not only can they make money on the handle they also can keep all the purse money too.

    I think that would be the solution to the problem.  
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« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2006, 07:12:49 PM »

Hey I'm just a guy who's been in the business for 22 years and pay my own way and pay for my own farm so quit crying.
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2006, 07:30:43 PM »

Hey I'm just a guy who's been in the business for 22 years and pay my own way and pay for my own farm so quit crying.

If you prefer the farm to the track that's fine. Some guys like Harmer prefer the track where everything is there for you. That's why Harmer has plenty of cash because he didn't waist his money owning a farm and paying the overhead that comes along with it.

   We owned our own farm with a pool and the whole ball of wax. And I'll tell you one thing, being on a farm is nice but the overhead will kill you. I wish I had all the money today that we spent to race off the farm. So, just because you want to race off your farm don't knock the guys who are at the track where it doesn't cost them a left lung.
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« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2006, 09:30:20 PM »

Dan
Keeneland charges stall rent.
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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2006, 09:42:54 PM »

Dan
Keeneland charges stall rent.

Nothing surprises me these days.
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Dan Villeky
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« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2006, 10:08:37 PM »



<<Keeneland charges stall rent.>>

Keeneland races only two very short meets each year. Fewer than 10% of the races written are claiming events. The horses ship in, race for huge money and go home, where ever "home" may be. Very few stay in the Keeneland barn areas, as first class as they are, for more than a day or two.
There are more than a few tracks in this country that could learn a thing or two by watching the operation in Lexington
Wish the same could be said for the Red Mile BUT, if the proposed constitutional amendment is placed on this falls ballot and should it pass (all bets right now say it will since KEEP seems to be going at 'em the right way) full blown casinos will be in KY's future including the Lexington plant that would benefit both Lexington's tracks. Time will tell!
 It will happen before that scheme in Nevada comes to fruition however. What happened to that half-baked idea?
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2006, 10:19:30 PM »


<<Keeneland charges stall rent.>>

Keeneland races only two very short meets each year. Fewer than 10% of the races written are claiming events. The horses ship in, race for huge money and go home, where ever "home" may be. Very few stay in the Keeneland barn areas, as first class as they are, for more than a day or two.
There are more than a few tracks in this country that could learn a thing or two by watching the operation in Lexington
Wish the same could be said for the Red Mile BUT, if the proposed constitutional amendment is placed on this falls ballot and should it pass (all bets right now say it will since KEEP seems to be going at 'em the right way) full blown casinos will be in KY's future including the Lexington plant that would benefit both Lexington's tracks. Time will tell!
 It will happen before that scheme in Nevada comes to fruition however. What happened to that half-baked idea?

What happened? People are all talk no action.
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« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2006, 10:48:14 PM »

So now that the strike is over, Are the Johnstons still charging stall Rent?
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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2006, 11:07:41 PM »

So now that the strike is over, Are the Johnstons still charging stall Rent?

Of course not!! And those Gout positives the Rucker and Darcy have will disappear also.
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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2006, 11:17:57 PM »

there are horses who are stabled year around at keenland who pay stall rent.  They are not charged in april and october when they race.  And if memorey serves me it is around 200 a month per stall
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2006, 11:34:50 PM »

ummm...there's no way i would pay 150 bucks per month to stay there!
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already did this - movinawayfaraway
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2006, 11:42:06 PM »

IMO NO STALL RENT will be charged due to the legalities of searching a place when there is rent being charged. I believe the tracks and IRB would have to get search warrants ect.. in order to search.  When no rent is charged IMO the laws are more relaxed as to when and how a barn can be searched    Maybe some of the leagal eagles out there know about this.
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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2006, 08:24:11 AM »

there are horses who are stabled year around at keenland who pay stall rent.  They are not charged in april and october when they race.  And if memorey serves me it is around 200 a month per stall

That would be the training facility/track, an entirely separate operation. Much like stabling at "a farm".
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2006, 02:36:14 PM »

Without horses there is no show. Without a show the track owners make ZERO.


Except that's not true. There is a show and it is broadcast from various high caliber tracks across the country. And without the expenses and annoyances of horsemen the track owners might well make more.
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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2006, 03:31:11 PM »

IMO NO STALL RENT will be charged due to the legalities of searching a place when there is rent being charged. I believe the tracks and IRB would have to get search warrants ect.. in order to search.  When no rent is charged IMO the laws are more relaxed as to when and how a barn can be searched    Maybe some of the leagal eagles out there know about this.


Where did you come up with this idea? Huh The rules allow the IRB unrestricted access to racetrack grounds. It's still racetrack grounds whether stall rent is charged or not.
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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2006, 06:35:08 PM »

IMO if and when the racetracks start charging stall rent,  it becomes a landlord/ tennant type of relationship in the eyes of the law.  A different set of criteria for searching applys to that relationship.  I'm trying to contact a attorney acquaintance of mine to see if i am correct.
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2006, 07:06:18 PM »

.  I'm trying to contact a attorney acquaintance of mine to see if i am correct.
since when did attornies know what is right and wrong...judges decide that
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2006, 10:42:09 PM »

If you cant afford 5.00 a day stall rent then you are in the wrong occupation.When I cant afford somthing,I do something else!One of the biggest problems in the horse game is too many people think everyone owes them somthing. Had it been brought out as a "Cost of energy surcharge" then all it would be is a additional cost of running a stable.Be thankful you have a place to race at all. Just 3 days ago you were making plans to share canned goods!
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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2006, 11:24:23 PM »

IMO if and when the racetracks start charging stall rent,  it becomes a landlord/ tennant type of relationship in the eyes of the law.  A different set of criteria for searching applys to that relationship.  I'm trying to contact a attorney acquaintance of mine to see if i am correct.

Just make sure that attorney friend of yours reads the Illinois law and IRB rules regulating horse racing before making his pronouncement.

I'll guarantee neither of you know that in NJ, the racing commission not only has the right to conduct raids and searches without a warrant on racetrack grounds, they also have that right on any licensed premises, which in NJ includes training farms. I can assure you that training farms charge stall rent.  Grin

By the way, if lawyers always know the right answer to everthing why is it that there is always a losing attorney in every civil and criminal case?  Grin
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« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2006, 11:32:04 PM »

By the way, if lawyers always know the right answer to everthing why is it that there is always a losing attorney in every civil and criminal case?  Grin

They do know the right answer. Right or wrong they make money.
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2006, 11:33:06 PM »

They do know the right answer. Right or wrong they make money.

You do have a point there. Wink
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2006, 12:16:44 AM »

Just make sure that attorney friend of yours reads the Illinois law and IRB rules regulating horse racing before making his pronouncement.

I'll guarantee neither of you know that in NJ, the racing commission not only has the right to conduct raids and searches without a warrant on racetrack grounds, they also have that right on any licensed premises, which in NJ includes training farms. I can assure you that training farms charge stall rent.  Grin

By the way, if lawyers always know the right answer to everthing why is it that there is always a losing attorney in every civil and criminal case?  Grin

I think you forgot the part where they have to let you know that there going to search the farm first. And anyway how many people have they ever caught? 2 MAYBE.
N.J. has turned into a complete joke.

And another thing have you noticed how many Chicago Horses and Illinois breds have been winning at the BIG-M? Doesn't it kill you guy's out there when Chicago Trainers just walk right in and take over. We have some average trainers in Chicago and when they go to NJ they make it look easy.
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2006, 12:01:32 PM »

I think you forgot the part where they have to let you know that there going to search the farm first. And anyway how many people have they ever caught? 2 MAYBE.
N.J. has turned into a complete joke.

And another thing have you noticed how many Chicago Horses and Illinois breds have been winning at the BIG-M? Doesn't it kill you guy's out there when Chicago Trainers just walk right in and take over. We have some average trainers in Chicago and when they go to NJ they make it look easy.

No, in NJ they don't have to let you know they are going to search the farm first. That's the whole idea. No warrants, no advance notice...no anything.

It doesn't bother me one iota that Illinois horses and trainers are doing well in NJ. Why should it? I'd be curious as to who from Illinois that is an "average trainer" is "making it look easy?" Mr. Rucker...king of the drug positives?  Is Erv Miller suddenly an "average" trainer? Roll Eyes Rick Dane certainly wasn't among the Meadowlands leaders last year.
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« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2006, 12:49:35 PM »

 NJP, You forgot to tell everyone here that the rule only applies to NJ and not NY. So if your stabled in NY like many of the 10-time drug offenders are you have no worry. Nice rule.

Noel Daley, Brett Pelling, and a cast of others have had more positives for harher drugs then Rucker and they seem to never miss a beat.

My believe is that the BIG-M just like Balmoral and Maywood figure they can save money by not tying up these drug positives cases up in court for years and having to spend any of there money defending themselves. It seems they just dont really care if the betting public gets the shaft anymore.

With people suing over almost anything these days I am very surprised no patron or racing fan has ever tried sueing to get there betting money back when the winner has gotten disqualified at a later time for a drug positive. If a trainer had many lifetime positives and always seem to get away with it I think there would be grounds for a case in the courtroom. It might sound stupid and a longshot but people have sued for far worse. It would really be interesting and I think the proper case could really have grounds to be heard in a court of law. I have always thought I might read about this one day, maybe you already have either way tell me what you think. Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2006, 02:11:47 PM »

NJP, You forgot to tell everyone here that the rule only applies to NJ and not NY. So if your stabled in NY like many of the 10-time drug offenders are you have no worry. Nice rule.

Noel Daley, Brett Pelling, and a cast of others have had more positives for harher drugs then Rucker and they seem to never miss a beat.

My believe is that the BIG-M just like Balmoral and Maywood figure they can save money by not tying up these drug positives cases up in court for years and having to spend any of there money defending themselves. It seems they just dont really care if the betting public gets the shaft anymore.

With people suing over almost anything these days I am very surprised no patron or racing fan has ever tried sueing to get there betting money back when the winner has gotten disqualified at a later time for a drug positive. If a trainer had many lifetime positives and always seem to get away with it I think there would be grounds for a case in the courtroom. It might sound stupid and a longshot but people have sued for far worse. It would really be interesting and I think the proper case could really have grounds to be heard in a court of law. I have always thought I might read about this one day, maybe you already have either way tell me what you think. Smiley

Where did I forget to say that the rule applies only to NJ and not to NY?  Here's what I said: "I'll guarantee neither of you know that in NJ, the racing commission not only has the right to conduct raids and searches without a warrant on racetrack grounds, they also have that right on any licensed premises, which in NJ includes training farms. I can assure you that training farms charge stall rent." Then I said :"No, in NJ they don't have to let you know they are going to search the farm first. That's the whole idea. No warrants, no advance notice...no anything." Do you see how both those statements just say NJ?

And who are the "10-time drug offenders" you claim are stabled in NY to avoid NJ rules? Not Pelling or Daley or Rucker. They've always been in NJ. I can think of one person currently on suspension (and not a 10 time offender) who is stabled in NY...and he's from Chicago...not a NJ regular!
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