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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2007, 07:15:34 PM »

SN;
 You had 15 trainer starts in 2000, no wins, one second,and no thirds,$3,165.
Native Braces no wins in 2000
31starts 0-3-4 $14,859
Tell us about Armbro sussex.
Jakes Red Falcon Your six starts he made $1,904. No wonder the owners sent him elsewhere.
Aurora Star N and the claim price was $2,500 That was 1999 the year you had 3 wins


Thanks for posting this.
It just verifies what everyone else knows and that is the Nances are nothing but two bit liars.
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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2007, 07:18:36 PM »

SN;
 You had 15 trainer starts in 2000, no wins, one second,and no thirds,$3,165.
Native Braces no wins in 2000
31starts 0-3-4 $14,859
Tell us about Armbro sussex.
Jakes Red Falcon Your six starts he made $1,904. No wonder the owners sent him elsewhere.
Aurora Star N and the claim price was $2,500 That was 1999 the year you had 3 wins


Sounds like we have 2 different sets of facts. I think the stats Looking posted are from the USTA. I'll choose to believe him.
SN, I told you yesterday a person does not need a good memory when you tell the truth.
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2007, 07:36:04 PM »

Sounds like someone got caught fibbing and admittted they acted in an illegal manner by bearding for another trainer, shame on you SN, your credability just took a hit. Hey does anyone know if SN paid Northfield Park back for the hot check he cashed?
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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2007, 11:03:03 PM »

            This is ridiculous !    Its one thing if you dont like somebody and thats your perogative .  The truth is the Nances won with those horses and they did'nt go to jail because they were'nt doing anything wrong but training horses !  They made good claims and improved horses with adjustments and it was'nt any juice .

Beleive thay won the 1st times races. Those are records people could look for. It would be dumb to lie. 

If anyone else won those many first times or improved cheap claimers for FFA today nances would be screaming juice. Why shopuld we think no juice from them in 80s?
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2007, 02:50:41 AM »

I had Native braces and Aurora star N in 1999!!!!Native Braces got claimed first start from the Ledford barn in Chi. in April of 1999. Aurora Star I only had one start. One win and got claimed!!!!

I had Infinite, Jakes Red Falcon and Armbro Sussex at Los Al in 2000.
The owner didnt send jake anywhere else. I did the same thing with him that I did with native braces the previous year I raced them at los Al and at the end of the meet I went back home to Vegas and sent the horses to (who I thought was my freind) Eric Ledford.

I did Clayton a favor and took his horses to NFLD park to try and get them sold for him while he was barred so he could feed his family!!!! I didnt make a dime on the deal I did it as a favor for a guy who was in a tough spot and had kids to worry about.
If you want to say it was Illegal, so be it, the guy owned 5 horses and got barred and needed to get them sold so he could live. I helped him out PERIOD!!!!

remember one thing, Jakes Red Falcon was my deal I am the one that found him, I chose who to send him to, I called all the shots on where to race him,when to put him in and what to race him on!!!! The only time Eric sat behind him was in the race when he drove him.
Ask him and Ryan Daley yourself They can tell you all about how they got him.



P.S. still waiting for all you lowlifes to print your real name so everything you claim to have done can be verified!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2007, 07:16:42 AM »

Beleive thay won the 1st times races. Those are records people could look for. It would be dumb to lie. 

If anyone else won those many first times or improved cheap claimers for FFA today nances would be screaming juice. Why shopuld we think no juice from them in 80s?
Everyone of those horse were not "first time winners" for their barn.
They may have won for their barn, but every horse did not win in their first start for these two bit liars.
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2007, 07:18:34 AM »

I had Native braces and Aurora star N in 1999!!!!


P.S. still waiting for all you lowlifes to print your real name so everything you claim to have done can be verified!!!!
SN,I see you edited your original post.Its always a good idea to use correct info when defending ones self after being questioned about the accuracy of ones accomplishments.
SN,
I am not doubting the the fact that you and DN were and still may be capable horsemen.What I am doubting is your "we were the best ever attitude".Not everyone needs to hear on a daily basis "My STEED did this" or "We all cashed big on that one"
You make it sound like no other trainer ever accomplished anything. And when someone does accomplish something big, the Nances are the first to try to taint that accomplishment.
case and point: Teagues big win last week was questioned by DN, suggesting that even if he were to test positive he would beat the rap because of his race.
I could go on with more examples if you like.
I applaud what you and DN had accomplished in the prime of your career. I expect you will use the same courtesy to others.
As far as your comment on what I claimed to have done. I have never posted once about any accomplishment I may have achieved in my lifetime. I don't need to.
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2007, 07:21:37 AM »

Everyone of those horse were not "first time winners" for their barn.
They may have won for their barn, but every horse did not win in their first start for these two bit liars.
Can this info be verified? I am not doubting that these STEEDS won at one time or another for the Nance's. But 63 first time winners does seem a little far fetched!
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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2007, 07:24:25 AM »

Can this info be verified? I am not doubting that these STEEDS won at one time or another for the Nance's. But 63 first time winners does seem a little far fetched!
Believe me if it were true it would make the Ledford epo run look like childs play.
It is not true.
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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2007, 10:44:36 AM »

KMM, those names mentioned were first start winners for us!!!!

if the number is 63 then so be it I didnt count then just listed them. What you guys are not getting is we raced hundreds and hundreds of horses in the years we raced. You guys are acting like we raced 100 horses for a year or two. Were talking about 26 years of racing.

Also "I" dont beleive that you are talking about me when you say I dont give credit to other horseman for their accomplishments. There are a lot of great horseman that have been in the buis. that have done very well and I have mentioned them before. A lot of them are my freinds and some are not. I still give credit where credit is due. I think you guys get upset when I tell the truth about Tom Harmer and his two faced backstabbing attitude sorry but its the truth!!!
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2007, 11:54:45 AM »

Have you  payed  northfield back yet?
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2007, 12:29:56 PM »

nance = liar+loser
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2007, 12:53:52 PM »

Hey by the way anyone know where I can get some autographed footballs ?




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PS...Can someone tell me WTF Buis means ? I know it isn't a word or an abreviation of any word so help me out here  Huh
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2007, 05:13:56 PM »

I had 1 horse in 1999 at Los Al, bought him for $10,000 (Native Braces) won with him for $17,500. Sent him to Ledford and he got claimed first start in Chi. for $20,000

Had 2 Horses in 2000 in Cali at los Al, One got claimed for $8,000 (Infinite) by Gene Valendingham.

The other one (Jakes Red Falcon) I bought out there for $13,000 raced him 6 times then sent him to Ledford in Chi. where he was a $50,000 claimer and made $80,000 in purses and got claimed at Dover for $30,000

oh yeah and I claimed Aurora Star N in 1999 and had him one start he won and got claimed by Rick Plano.

When I raced at NFLD in 2001 it was to do Clay Faurot Jr. a favor because he was Barred and could not feed his family so I took a couple up there to race for him as a favor.

Thats the truth!!!!

Now, all you bigmoulths that cant even spell horse let alone get one to the winners circle, Kmm , burton,rock,sullivan,looking in ect. please print your real names so I can see what your accomplishments have been OR NOT!!
thats only fair dont you think?

SN;
You are correct.The year was 1999. Your big year with three wins. How could you make such a mistake as to forget that year.
Now maybe you would like to correct the claiming prices.  Maybe $12,500 not $17,500.
Maybe $14,000 not $20,000.
Maybe $6,000  not $8,000.
Most of your post are a mix of truth,brag,and bs.
As for Aurura Star N.He had won 3 of his last four starts in for $2,500.
You claim him for $2,500. Put him in for $2,500 he wins and you think you did something great.
Last week you posted you had driven races at The Meadowlands,Freehold,and Garden State. Can you tell us how it was to drive with the big boys? Don't forget that your lifetime driving earnings are less then $2,000.
Speaking of corrections. Maybe you should ask Dan how Sky Colors,Paramour Buck, John Garfield Wood,etc. got on his first time list.We will discuse that later.
Don't forget to go back and correct the claim prices.
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I am just an old "Hoss" trainer, that has been raced hard and put away wet. 
As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2007, 05:31:51 PM »

Native Braces won for $12,500 and then a claiming handicap $14,000 to $17,500 in the last start I raced him he was 3rd for $20,000 then I sent him to Ledford and He put him in for $17,500 and he got claimed first start by Richard gurrola.

Aurora Star N was winning every week for $2,500 and no one would claim him because they said he was a bad sulker and would run out the draw gates in the mornings and plant them on the track and refuse to move unless you took the complete harness off him and walked back to the barn. They said some guy claimed him and he REFUSED the gate and was put on the list and the guy sold him back to Tim mair for $500 dollars. Every one laughed when I claimed him and said good luck with that one you will need it.
I never said it was some great feet it was just another story to me.

I am telling you this stuff that happened 7 years ago Im not looking up facts to read on paper like you are. I think everyone knows that I know what happened and have told it like it was!!!!!

Now whatever looking in is I dont know but Im still waiting for you to print your real name so I can see how many races you have won and what states you have won them in. Please hurry!!!!

P.S. does anyone know where I could buy some Albuteral for $90 a dose nyah nyah nyah
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2007, 05:52:36 PM »

Wrong and wrong again.
3/20/99 he won a n/w 2,000 last 6.

3/27/99 he won a $12,500 claim.

4/3/99 he was 4p3 in a $20,000 claim.

4/17/99 he was fifth in a $14,000 claim at Bal.

He didn't win a $17,500 claim till 10/8/99 at Maywood for the new owners.

He was 5 years old so no allowances given.
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I am just an old "Hoss" trainer, that has been raced hard and put away wet. 
As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2007, 06:50:40 PM »

Nice detective work Looking In, sort of discredits the Team Nance claims a tad bit, doesn't it. And like I said in a previous post, I could care less if they did it or not, it happened 25 yrs ago, who besides Danny really cares. Maybe if Danny showed people some respect, possibly some respect would be reciprocated.
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2007, 06:51:04 PM »

They were claiming handicaps Im not talking about the price he was in for Im talking about the horses he beat!!!!!

Ok I could see you want me to be EXACT in what i say so let me say this, I am totally wrong its just a big lie!!!
I never done anything good , never won any races, and never made a dime for anybody.

There are you happy now? Whatever you want!! doh
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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2007, 07:24:02 PM »

Scott, I think your missing the point of my posts, I could care less if you achieved the 60 winners or not. How people are attacked by Team Nance is really where my concerns lie. The lack of respect given to horsemen or fans, whoever, is what disturbs me more than anything. Many of the people that have been attacked, I know personally or have met. You want to talk racing, I'll talk all night long. If you want to talk about juicing, I'm not too interested, I'm not naive, the whining gets old. And let's face the facts, the 80's were along time ago, and who gives a darn if Harmer gave the money back or not.
        And as far as who I am, a few people know, I just like the forum and don't want a bunch of crap. How has it benefited you?
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« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2007, 10:06:48 PM »

Hasnt benefited me at all!!!

The comment about Harmer giving the purse money back is personal between harmer and myself. He made some comments about me to other people but yet when he would pass me everyday going to the track and also on the racetrack everymorning he would look the other way and not say a word to my face.

I have been attacked REPEATEDLY on this forum from day one for no reason at all. I have NEVER put anybody down or attacked anyone. All I have done is defend myself against lies, accusations, and put downs for using my own name and not hiding behind some made up screen name.

Its the same ol' thing day after day, I say one thing and I start getting attacked about things that have nothing to do with the subject, same thing over and over, "you didnt win anything", "yer ahorrible trainer", "you owe people", "you bounced checks", blah blah blah
isnt it old already?

If you guys want me to go away just say the word, I will go, I dont need to come on here to share what I know about the game, Which is all I have ever tried to do.
You guys can talk to each other and your madeup names so no one really knows who they are talking to or who is credible or not!!!

Whatever, its just really getting old and silly!!!!!!!
believe me when I tell you I have forgot more about Harness racing than most of you will ever learn. FACT!!!


P.S. put up a poll, should sn stay and keep posting, HIS WAY or should he "Just go away" I will do what you want.
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« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2007, 10:42:55 PM »

SN, I can only speak for myself, and let mesay I will not vote in a poll deciding who should post and who should not post. I have some idea of past history on this forum, but I care not to go back and read old threads, I can find other things to waste time on. I do believe much of the heat you take on this forum stems from DN and his never ending onslaught of insults and degrading commentary.
       As far as posters creditability, you can tell what type of person your communicating with by the postings. I have read horsepoop, the average poster there is a entry level groom with a 9 grade education who couldn't spell horse if you spotted them h o r. There is a different breed of poster at this forum.
       SN, If you won with all those horses, good for you, if you fibbed, shame on you, for the last time , could care less, it was 25 yrs ago.
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« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2007, 11:20:44 PM »

Hasnt benefited me at all!!!

The comment about Harmer giving the purse money back is personal between harmer and myself. He made some comments about me to other people but yet when he would pass me everyday going to the track and also on the racetrack everymorning he would look the other way and not say a word to my face.

I have been attacked REPEATEDLY on this forum from day one for no reason at all. I have NEVER put anybody down or attacked anyone. All I have done is defend myself against lies, accusations, and put downs for using my own name and not hiding behind some made up screen name.

Its the same ol' thing day after day, I say one thing and I start getting attacked about things that have nothing to do with the subject, same thing over and over, "you didnt win anything", "yer ahorrible trainer", "you owe people", "you bounced checks", blah blah blah
isnt it old already?

If you guys want me to go away just say the word, I will go, I dont need to come on here to share what I know about the game, Which is all I have ever tried to do.
You guys can talk to each other and your madeup names so no one really knows who they are talking to or who is credible or not!!!

Whatever, its just really getting old and silly!!!!!!!
believe me when I tell you I have forgot more about Harness racing than most of you will ever learn. FACT!!!


P.S. put up a poll, should sn stay and keep posting, HIS WAY or should he "Just go away" I will do what you want.


Scott,

A big reason you are treated on here the way you are... is because of your brother Dan.

He has argued with... insulted... threatened... and basically alienated 90% of the members both here... and on "***".

And you... by being included by him in many of his "rants" as part of "Team Nance"... get the same "disrespect" he does.

And although I agree that you should be judged on your own merits... that isn't going to happen as long as your name is associated with Dan's. 

I will state in your defense... that you are not as obsessed as Dan is... with his constant "beating everyone over the head" with how "great" he was... as both a part of "Team Nance" or on his own... but due to this topic being what Dan is known for... and is what he is constantly posting day after day... you get lumped in with that reputation.

I can personally state that Scott does indeed have a very good knowledge of harness racing... both past and present... and would be an interesting person to discuss harness racing on this forum.

Scott does know a LOT of people in the industry... again both past and present... and his thoughts and opinions would be worth listening to.

Scott... if you avoid discussing "you and Dan" (and Team Nance) I'm sure a lot of forum members here would eventually come to appreciate your imput and opinions.

I would suggest that members here give Scott a chance to "talk harness racing" without casting him in the shadow of his brother Dan.

You might be pleasantly surprised.
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« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2007, 11:49:29 PM »

The comment about Harmer giving the purse money back is personal between harmer and myself.

Why is it all ways in this public forum in our faces then. If personal keep it personal. Call him or send him email. he doesnt post on the forum I ever heard. 
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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2007, 02:30:13 AM »

Gee... look what Dan Nance posted on "***"... in response to my post to Scott...  Roll Eyes

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Kiss my ass with this post! You don't know jackshit about anything, you just think you do. Big brother Dan has made life hell for little brother Scott. Is that what you think? Everybody attacks Scott because of big brother Dan. Is that what you think? Maybe you should sit the hell back and think real hard why big brother Dan is the way he is. Big brother Dan is the bad guy and little brother Scott is the good guy. Is that how it appears? I'm so glad you put your two cents in and explained why Scott is treated the way he's treated on BTW. Scott can do all the posting he wants to do on BTW for all care and he can suck up to goofs like you and all the rest too. I'll say it one more time. You have no clue and don't know jackshit about anything.

Awwww... looks like I hit a nerve with "Mr.Negative" Dan Nance...  Grin

Just another example of what a "BIG GOOF" you truly are, Dan.

No one cares what you say or think... you have managed to alienate 90% of the people on "***"... just like you did here on Barn to Wire.

My post was a "positive post" about Scott... and you turn it into something "negative" like you do with everything.

Get some help, Dan... you really need it.  Roll Eyes




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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2007, 09:00:02 AM »

Gee... look what Dan Nance posted on "***"... in response to my post to Scott...  Roll Eyes

Awwww... looks like I hit a nerve with "Mr.Negative" Dan Nance...  Grin

Just another example of what a "BIG GOOF" you truly are, Dan.

No one cares what you say or think... you have managed to alienate 90% of the people on "***"... just like you did here on Barn to Wire.

My post was a "positive post" about Scott... and you turn it into something "negative" like you do with everything.

Get some help, Dan... you really need it.  Roll Eyes





I think you hit a nerve.
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