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Author Topic: List of First Time m99/Winners by Team Nance  (Read 3918 times)
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« on: July 19, 2007, 10:18:54 PM »

For the Nance BTW fans, I thought I'd put together a list of horses that won first time they raced the horses.  This is an example of how m99 makes even the "C" trainers look like "B" trainers.

Hasty Schnoze
Windy Top A
Australia Too A
Golden Dart
Misty bette
Pilot Renveah
Guantonamera
Pacing popeye
Sky Colors
Macs grandstander
John Garfield Wood
Syacamore Eagle
Final Option
Nutty Irishman
Gallent gimble
Ty-ga
Stereo shell N
G.T. BULLET
LITTLE FIDDLER
PERRIGRIN
CHARLIE R.L.
FRASER'S LAD
HEATHER MOLLY
GOING STEADY N
CORDELEONE
UNCLE HARVEY
EMBARGO
MATCHTOWN
ECLIPSE
KIWI ADIOS
OSBORNES THUNDER
MOVIE ESCORT
ALBERO
SECRET CHANCE N
DAB OF COUNSEL
K.D'S PAL
RED RAPIDS
POLO'S RUSTY
SKIPPER Z
PARAMOUR BUCK
GHOST RIDER
RABBIT ATTACK
BROADWAY BABY
TOOL BOX
THURSTON
RITMO
SAM A WAY
SIR RENDER
KEYSTONE PADDY
CHARLIE K
LOVEABLE LEWIS
COOL COOKIE
CHANNEL VICTORY
HEAL B FRISKY
RORETTA
SPARKLING GRACE
VANCERO N
JUNIOR CLASS
MARKATHON
MONIQUE MISS A
PIRATE LAURA 

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 12:52:57 AM »

gee whiz. were them horses from the early 30's or what? and if so, was the deviled eggs as good then as they are now?....lol.


only heard of one because she is arturo's dam.  that being pirate laura.....
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 06:07:18 AM »

For the Nance BTW fans, I thought I'd put together a list of horses that won first time they raced the horses.  This is an example of how m99 makes even the "C" trainers look like "B" trainers.

Hasty Schnoze
Windy Top A
Australia Too A
Golden Dart
Misty bette
Pilot Renveah
Guantonamera
Pacing popeye
Sky Colors
Macs grandstander
John Garfield Wood
Syacamore Eagle
Final Option
Nutty Irishman
Gallent gimble
Ty-ga
Stereo shell N
G.T. BULLET
LITTLE FIDDLER
PERRIGRIN
CHARLIE R.L.
FRASER'S LAD
HEATHER MOLLY
GOING STEADY N
CORDELEONE
UNCLE HARVEY
EMBARGO
MATCHTOWN
ECLIPSE
KIWI ADIOS
OSBORNES THUNDER
MOVIE ESCORT
ALBERO
SECRET CHANCE N
DAB OF COUNSEL
K.D'S PAL
RED RAPIDS
POLO'S RUSTY
SKIPPER Z
PARAMOUR BUCK
GHOST RIDER
RABBIT ATTACK
BROADWAY BABY
TOOL BOX
THURSTON
RITMO
SAM A WAY
SIR RENDER
KEYSTONE PADDY
CHARLIE K
LOVEABLE LEWIS
COOL COOKIE
CHANNEL VICTORY
HEAL B FRISKY
RORETTA
SPARKLING GRACE
VANCERO N
JUNIOR CLASS
MARKATHON
MONIQUE MISS A
PIRATE LAURA 


If my count is correct,they have listed 63. There is no way anyone can accomplish this feat.let alone remember specifically all first time out winners.IMO,these two morons are listing the horses that they trained trying to get attaboys from anyone who will listen.
Too bad Chicago Rich has not been posting lately,he surely would have blown a load after reading that list.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 06:51:47 AM »

For the Nance BTW fans, I thought I'd put together a list of horses that won first time they raced the horses.  This is an example of how m99 makes even the "C" trainers look like "B" trainers.


One other point to bring up.
At the other site, PocketRocket has posted that if any trainer of today had that many first start wins, DN would be the first to cry JUICE.
But not the great DN, He won LEGALLY,everybody else is a CHEATER.
How many training titles did Team Blowhard win?  Can somebody please look this up?
And as for your 8000 claimer that kicked butt in the FFA. Do some math Danny.That 8000 claimer of 20 years ago equates to about a 20,000 claimer today at any B track. It is not that uncommon for a 20 to win an open at a B track.
Don't think you are that special.
So you see Dannyboy,You can manipulate the #'s any way you like,but anyone just a bit smarter than JOHN FRANK can see through the smoke and mirrors.
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 01:24:31 PM »

One other point to bring up.
At the other site, PocketRocket has posted that if any trainer of today had that many first start wins, DN would be the first to cry JUICE.
But not the great DN, He won LEGALLY,everybody else is a CHEATER.
How many training titles did Team Blowhard win?  Can somebody please look this up?
And as for your 8000 claimer that kicked butt in the FFA. Do some math Danny.That 8000 claimer of 20 years ago equates to about a 20,000 claimer today at any B track. It is not that uncommon for a 20 to win an open at a B track.
Don't think you are that special.
So you see Dannyboy,You can manipulate the #'s any way you like,but anyone just a bit smarter than JOHN FRANK can see through the smoke and mirrors.
Truth be known, there is no way in hell they won their first start with all of those horses.
That's not saying that they didn't cheat.
That's why they aren't racing now.
The only hall of fame they could make would be the cheaters ahll of fame.
For them to try to compare themselves to Harmer is the biggest joke of all.
That's like comparing the Cubs winning history to the Yankees.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 01:32:13 PM »

Harmer is a pot smoking idiot with money behind him!!!!

lets talk about who you can be compared to. Print your real name so we can verify what you have done in your life!!!

until you do that dont you dare try to discredit what we have done with our careers!!!!!

We have used our real names and said what we feel from day 1 have you COWARD!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 01:43:37 PM »

burton 3 team nance 0 maroon
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 02:09:22 PM »

Please tell me SN?
 How does the claiming king of the 1980's end up at Northfield Park in 2001. I bet you really killed them there.
Wrong , 6 starts and earnings of $350.
What a way for the King to go out.
 Maybe 2000 When you had 15 starts in Cal. for earnings that year of $3,165.00.
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As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 02:10:23 PM »

            This is ridiculous !    Its one thing if you dont like somebody and thats your perogative .  The truth is the Nances won with those horses and they did'nt go to jail because they were'nt doing anything wrong but training horses !  They made good claims and improved horses with adjustments and it was'nt any juice . I was there and was a hands on owner meaning I watched my horses closely . You guys can have a hard on with the Nances , but the truth is they could train horses . Ritmo was a 14,000 claimer and he beat the best in the country !   Hothead , Pershing square , Incredible finale !  Chicago was'nt any B track then at SPK !  So forget that bull about cheap claimers beating free for alls like it was'nt an accomplishment that went up the latter when they trained them like Eclipse and Ritmo . I'm not defending anybody either I'm just stating a fact ! I understand the past is the past and some dont want to hear about it anymore and thats fine !  They did an excellent job training horses against some great stables and you or no one else can take that away from them with any bull !   I stated the facts and you can believe what you want about the Nances training horses .  this nonsense gets a little sick you guys can bash them for other reasons , but to bash them for their training ability in the 80's is a total joke . Its like saying Joe DiMaggio could'nt play ball today !   Even if you dont like the person your still suppose to give credit where credit is due .  Lets try to get along to some degree of intelligience about racing today and yesterday .  

                                          RTP

        The fact is they were very good picking up horses with some shoeing and equipment adjustments and some good care .  PERIOD
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 02:21:08 PM »

RTP;
 Perhaps you can answer my question and I don't mean to be nasty and cruel. Why then did Scott do so bad in 2000 and 2001 at Northfield and Cal.
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As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 02:23:55 PM »

RTP as usual makes some valid points.
But for the Nances to compare their careers to Tom Harmer's is a "total Joke".
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2007, 02:26:16 PM »

I dont know the Nances, but I do remember there were some guys at all racetracks that a halfway decent trainer could claim from, and improve.  The midwest seemed to have many of these types, who just raced, maybe they even drove their own stock, never believed in using any veterinarian, had their own ways of training, shoeing, and care.

Could it just have been the Nances had a keen eye for who they could improve off of ? Im asking, as I dont know.  But if that was the case, I can see where they would have some bitter enemies today.  

Im not going to mention names, out of respect, but in 1993 a trainer at Los Alamitos called and said we should take this horse, from this moron and work on his feet, and take the snake cord off.  So we did, and he did move forward about 2 seconds for us, and put 10,000.00 in the  bank in 2 months.  

Any halfway sharp trainer can do this, and the guy who lost the horse is never going to give kudos to him.


See you all later, Im off to the races.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2007, 02:29:21 PM »

           This is ridiculous !    Its one thing if you dont like somebody and thats your perogative .  The truth is the Nances won with those horses and they did'nt go to jail because they were'nt doing anything wrong but training horses !  They made good claims and improved horses with adjustments and it was'nt any juice . I was there and was a hands on owner meaning I watched my horses closely . You guys can have a hard on with the Nances , but the truth is they could train horses . Ritmo was a 14,000 claimer and he beat the best in the country !   Hothead , Pershing square , Incredible finale !  Chicago was'nt any B track then at SPK !  So forget that bull about cheap claimers beating free for alls like it was'nt an accomplishment that went up the latter when they trained them like Eclipse and Ritmo . I'm not defending anybody either I'm just stating a fact ! I understand the past is the past and some dont want to hear about it anymore and thats fine !  They did an excellent job training horses against some great stables and you or no one else can take that away from them with any bull !   I stated the facts and you can believe what you want about the Nances training horses .  this nonsense gets a little sick you guys can bash them for other reasons , but to bash them for their training ability in the 80's is a total joke . Its like saying Joe DiMaggio could'nt play ball today !   Even if you dont like the person your still suppose to give credit where credit is due .  Lets try to get along to some degree of intelligience about racing today and yesterday .  

                                          RTP

        The fact is they were very good picking up horses with some shoeing and equipment adjustments and some good care .  PERIOD
RTP:
I usually do not get into these  (bsm)threads because it is like a bunch of little kids trying to call each other names! This post though were everytime I hear DN or SN bring up things almost 20 years ago just reminds me of the Bruce Springstein song GLORY DAYS!
Anyway they probably did win a bunch of races but ALL with Charlies Formula! Grin
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 02:32:36 PM »

looking in.......Im not sure if Scott Nance had much horsepower in 2000 when he came west. We didnt race year round then, and went fast for small money. (much like today, LOL)  

My guess he didnt stay long, or didnt have the stock for those months.  or didnt fit the conditions very well, or whatever.

To be honest, until someone here said he came to Calif, I didnt remember.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2007, 02:47:32 PM »

RTP;
 Perhaps you can answer my question and I don't mean to be nasty and cruel. Why then did Scott do so bad in 2000 and 2001 at Northfield and Cal.
            This is a question that I cant answer , but even great trainers have lulls .  Just ask BOB BAFFERT at the t-breds . I truly do not know and SN would have to answer your question .

                                             RTP
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2007, 02:59:27 PM »

RTP as usual makes some valid points.
But for the Nances to compare their careers to Tom Harmer's is a "total Joke".

    You are right about Tom harmer ! 

                But let me ask you can you compare the N Y yankees to the Pittsburgh Pirates operation !  I'm sure we agree the yankees have more money to get better players .  The point being it takes money in any sport to get ahead and some have better opportunities than others .                   
                                         RTP
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2007, 03:03:19 PM »

If it were that simple John Carver would have owned the harness world.
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 03:13:58 PM »

Thanks for the responce RTP, I know your a very well respected person around racing in Chicago and you can bring it, my kind of guy. They, Nances, did a great job training horses in the 80's, besides DN OR SN, who gives a dam, it was 25 years ago, Al Bundy all over again. The real problem with your friends, Team Nance, is the way they attack people on a daily basis and toot their own horns on 25 yr old accomplishments. People just get a little tired of listening to the garbage that your friends spew out on a daily basis. Dan has no respect for anyone in the game today, but we are to show him respect for his accomplishments from the 80's, even though he was part of the M99 scandal.   And RTP, while we are at it, you as a true gambler should know, when a player continually brags about his scores, chances are he's a BS'er. I've been sending it way to long to not know the difference. Possibly many of your friends distractors would go by the wayside if Team Nance would not berate people on a daily basis. The things they write today reflect very poorly on the things they had success with 25 yrs ago. I have read enough postings by Team Nance to know the agenda is to ridicule and belittle the sport and the people that support it.
            

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2007, 04:12:14 PM »

Thanks for the responce RTP, I know your a very well respected person around racing in Chicago and you can bring it, my kind of guy. They, Nances, did a great job training horses in the 80's, besides DN OR SN, who gives a dam, it was 25 years ago, Al Bundy all over again. The real problem with your friends, Team Nance, is the way they attack people on a daily basis and toot their own horns on 25 yr old accomplishments. People just get a little tired of listening to the garbage that your friends spew out on a daily basis. Dan has no respect for anyone in the game today, but we are to show him respect for his accomplishments from the 80's, even though he was part of the M99 scandal.   And RTP, while we are at it, you as a true gambler should know, when a player continually brags about his scores, chances are he's a BS'er. I've been sending it way to long to not know the difference. Possibly many of your friends distractors would go by the wayside if Team Nance would not berate people on a daily basis. The things they write today reflect very poorly on the things they had success with 25 yrs ago. I have read enough postings by Team Nance to know the agenda is to ridicule and belittle the sport and the people that support it.
            


My thoughts exactly. Great post
Can anyone find out how many training titles the Nances have?
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2007, 04:21:45 PM »

My thoughts exactly. Great post
Can anyone find out how many training titles the Nances have?
I found out!
ZERO!!!
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2007, 05:38:02 PM »

I had 1 horse in 1999 at Los Al, bought him for $10,000 (Native Braces) won with him for $17,500. Sent him to Ledford and he got claimed first start in Chi. for $20,000

Had 2 Horses in 2000 in Cali at los Al, One got claimed for $8,000 (Infinite) by Gene Valendingham.

The other one (Jakes Red Falcon) I bought out there for $13,000 raced him 6 times then sent him to Ledford in Chi. where he was a $50,000 claimer and made $80,000 in purses and got claimed at Dover for $30,000

oh yeah and I claimed Aurora Star N in 1999 and had him one start he won and got claimed by Rick Plano.

When I raced at NFLD in 2001 it was to do Clay Faurot Jr. a favor because he was Barred and could not feed his family so I took a couple up there to race for him as a favor.

Thats the truth!!!!

Now, all you bigmoulths that cant even spell horse let alone get one to the winners circle, Kmm , burton,rock,sullivan,looking in ect. please print your real names so I can see what your accomplishments have been OR NOT!!
thats only fair dont you think?
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2007, 06:30:49 PM »

SN, if i read that right you were a beard trainer at nortfield in 2001 for someone that was barred?
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2007, 06:46:06 PM »

I had 1 horse in 2000 at Los Al, bought him for $10,000 (Native Braces) won with him for $17,500. Sent him to Ledford and he got claimed first start in Chi. for $20,000

Had 2 Horses in 2001 in Cali at los Al, One got claimed for $8,000 (Infinite) by Gene Valendingham.

The other one (Jakes Red Falcon) I bought out there for $13,000 raced him 6 times then sent him to Ledford in Chi. where he was a $50,000 claimer and made $80,000 in purses and got claimed at Dover for $30,000

oh yeah and I claimed Aurora Star N and had him one start he won and got claimed by Rick Plano.

When I raced at NFLD in 2001 it was to do Clay Faurot Jr. a favor because he was Barred and could not feed his family so I took a couple up there to race for him as a favor.

Thats the truth!!!!

Now, all you bigmoulths that cant even spell horse let alone get one to the winners circle, Kmm , burton,rock,sullivan,looking in ect. please print your real names so I can see what your accomplishments have been OR NOT!!
thats only fair dont you think?

I guess he won't be training in Ohio anytime soon.What you did for Clay was illegal. Did you give back the purse money yet?
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2007, 07:02:35 PM »

I had 1 horse in 2000 at Los Al, bought him for $10,000 (Native Braces) won with him for $17,500. Sent him to Ledford and he got claimed first start in Chi. for $20,000

Had 2 Horses in 2001 in Cali at los Al, One got claimed for $8,000 (Infinite) by Gene Valendingham.

The other one (Jakes Red Falcon) I bought out there for $13,000 raced him 6 times then sent him to Ledford in Chi. where he was a $50,000 claimer and made $80,000 in purses and got claimed at Dover for $30,000

oh yeah and I claimed Aurora Star N and had him one start he won and got claimed by Rick Plano.

When I raced at NFLD in 2001 it was to do Clay Faurot Jr. a favor because he was Barred and could not feed his family so I took a couple up there to race for him as a favor.

Thats the truth!!!!

Now, all you bigmoulths that cant even spell horse let alone get one to the winners circle, Kmm , burton,rock,sullivan,looking in ect. please print your real names so I can see what your accomplishments have been OR NOT!!
thats only fair dont you think?

SN;
 You had 15 trainer starts in 2000, no wins, one second,and no thirds,$3,165.
Native Braces no wins in 2000
31starts 0-3-4 $14,859
Tell us about Armbro sussex.
Jakes Red Falcon Your six starts he made $1,904. No wonder the owners sent him elsewhere.
Aurora Star N and the claim price was $2,500 That was 1999 the year you had 3 wins

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2007, 07:11:52 PM »

I guess he won't be training in Ohio anytime soon.What you did for Clay was illegal. Did you give back the purse money yet?
The total purse money was $350.
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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2007, 07:15:34 PM »

SN;
 You had 15 trainer starts in 2000, no wins, one second,and no thirds,$3,165.
Native Braces no wins in 2000
31starts 0-3-4 $14,859
Tell us about Armbro sussex.
Jakes Red Falcon Your six starts he made $1,904. No wonder the owners sent him elsewhere.
Aurora Star N and the claim price was $2,500 That was 1999 the year you had 3 wins


Thanks for posting this.
It just verifies what everyone else knows and that is the Nances are nothing but two bit liars.
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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2007, 07:18:36 PM »

SN;
 You had 15 trainer starts in 2000, no wins, one second,and no thirds,$3,165.
Native Braces no wins in 2000
31starts 0-3-4 $14,859
Tell us about Armbro sussex.
Jakes Red Falcon Your six starts he made $1,904. No wonder the owners sent him elsewhere.
Aurora Star N and the claim price was $2,500 That was 1999 the year you had 3 wins


Sounds like we have 2 different sets of facts. I think the stats Looking posted are from the USTA. I'll choose to believe him.
SN, I told you yesterday a person does not need a good memory when you tell the truth.
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2007, 07:36:04 PM »

Sounds like someone got caught fibbing and admittted they acted in an illegal manner by bearding for another trainer, shame on you SN, your credability just took a hit. Hey does anyone know if SN paid Northfield Park back for the hot check he cashed?
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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2007, 11:03:03 PM »

            This is ridiculous !    Its one thing if you dont like somebody and thats your perogative .  The truth is the Nances won with those horses and they did'nt go to jail because they were'nt doing anything wrong but training horses !  They made good claims and improved horses with adjustments and it was'nt any juice .

Beleive thay won the 1st times races. Those are records people could look for. It would be dumb to lie. 

If anyone else won those many first times or improved cheap claimers for FFA today nances would be screaming juice. Why shopuld we think no juice from them in 80s?
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2007, 02:50:41 AM »

I had Native braces and Aurora star N in 1999!!!!Native Braces got claimed first start from the Ledford barn in Chi. in April of 1999. Aurora Star I only had one start. One win and got claimed!!!!

I had Infinite, Jakes Red Falcon and Armbro Sussex at Los Al in 2000.
The owner didnt send jake anywhere else. I did the same thing with him that I did with native braces the previous year I raced them at los Al and at the end of the meet I went back home to Vegas and sent the horses to (who I thought was my freind) Eric Ledford.

I did Clayton a favor and took his horses to NFLD park to try and get them sold for him while he was barred so he could feed his family!!!! I didnt make a dime on the deal I did it as a favor for a guy who was in a tough spot and had kids to worry about.
If you want to say it was Illegal, so be it, the guy owned 5 horses and got barred and needed to get them sold so he could live. I helped him out PERIOD!!!!

remember one thing, Jakes Red Falcon was my deal I am the one that found him, I chose who to send him to, I called all the shots on where to race him,when to put him in and what to race him on!!!! The only time Eric sat behind him was in the race when he drove him.
Ask him and Ryan Daley yourself They can tell you all about how they got him.



P.S. still waiting for all you lowlifes to print your real name so everything you claim to have done can be verified!!!!
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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2007, 07:16:42 AM »

Beleive thay won the 1st times races. Those are records people could look for. It would be dumb to lie. 

If anyone else won those many first times or improved cheap claimers for FFA today nances would be screaming juice. Why shopuld we think no juice from them in 80s?
Everyone of those horse were not "first time winners" for their barn.
They may have won for their barn, but every horse did not win in their first start for these two bit liars.
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2007, 07:18:34 AM »

I had Native braces and Aurora star N in 1999!!!!


P.S. still waiting for all you lowlifes to print your real name so everything you claim to have done can be verified!!!!
SN,I see you edited your original post.Its always a good idea to use correct info when defending ones self after being questioned about the accuracy of ones accomplishments.
SN,
I am not doubting the the fact that you and DN were and still may be capable horsemen.What I am doubting is your "we were the best ever attitude".Not everyone needs to hear on a daily basis "My STEED did this" or "We all cashed big on that one"
You make it sound like no other trainer ever accomplished anything. And when someone does accomplish something big, the Nances are the first to try to taint that accomplishment.
case and point: Teagues big win last week was questioned by DN, suggesting that even if he were to test positive he would beat the rap because of his race.
I could go on with more examples if you like.
I applaud what you and DN had accomplished in the prime of your career. I expect you will use the same courtesy to others.
As far as your comment on what I claimed to have done. I have never posted once about any accomplishment I may have achieved in my lifetime. I don't need to.
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2007, 07:21:37 AM »

Everyone of those horse were not "first time winners" for their barn.
They may have won for their barn, but every horse did not win in their first start for these two bit liars.
Can this info be verified? I am not doubting that these STEEDS won at one time or another for the Nance's. But 63 first time winners does seem a little far fetched!
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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2007, 07:24:25 AM »

Can this info be verified? I am not doubting that these STEEDS won at one time or another for the Nance's. But 63 first time winners does seem a little far fetched!
Believe me if it were true it would make the Ledford epo run look like childs play.
It is not true.
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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2007, 10:44:36 AM »

KMM, those names mentioned were first start winners for us!!!!

if the number is 63 then so be it I didnt count then just listed them. What you guys are not getting is we raced hundreds and hundreds of horses in the years we raced. You guys are acting like we raced 100 horses for a year or two. Were talking about 26 years of racing.

Also "I" dont beleive that you are talking about me when you say I dont give credit to other horseman for their accomplishments. There are a lot of great horseman that have been in the buis. that have done very well and I have mentioned them before. A lot of them are my freinds and some are not. I still give credit where credit is due. I think you guys get upset when I tell the truth about Tom Harmer and his two faced backstabbing attitude sorry but its the truth!!!
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2007, 11:54:45 AM »

Have you  payed  northfield back yet?
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2007, 12:29:56 PM »

nance = liar+loser
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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2007, 12:53:52 PM »

Hey by the way anyone know where I can get some autographed footballs ?




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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2007, 05:13:56 PM »

I had 1 horse in 1999 at Los Al, bought him for $10,000 (Native Braces) won with him for $17,500. Sent him to Ledford and he got claimed first start in Chi. for $20,000

Had 2 Horses in 2000 in Cali at los Al, One got claimed for $8,000 (Infinite) by Gene Valendingham.

The other one (Jakes Red Falcon) I bought out there for $13,000 raced him 6 times then sent him to Ledford in Chi. where he was a $50,000 claimer and made $80,000 in purses and got claimed at Dover for $30,000

oh yeah and I claimed Aurora Star N in 1999 and had him one start he won and got claimed by Rick Plano.

When I raced at NFLD in 2001 it was to do Clay Faurot Jr. a favor because he was Barred and could not feed his family so I took a couple up there to race for him as a favor.

Thats the truth!!!!

Now, all you bigmoulths that cant even spell horse let alone get one to the winners circle, Kmm , burton,rock,sullivan,looking in ect. please print your real names so I can see what your accomplishments have been OR NOT!!
thats only fair dont you think?

SN;
You are correct.The year was 1999. Your big year with three wins. How could you make such a mistake as to forget that year.
Now maybe you would like to correct the claiming prices.  Maybe $12,500 not $17,500.
Maybe $14,000 not $20,000.
Maybe $6,000  not $8,000.
Most of your post are a mix of truth,brag,and bs.
As for Aurura Star N.He had won 3 of his last four starts in for $2,500.
You claim him for $2,500. Put him in for $2,500 he wins and you think you did something great.
Last week you posted you had driven races at The Meadowlands,Freehold,and Garden State. Can you tell us how it was to drive with the big boys? Don't forget that your lifetime driving earnings are less then $2,000.
Speaking of corrections. Maybe you should ask Dan how Sky Colors,Paramour Buck, John Garfield Wood,etc. got on his first time list.We will discuse that later.
Don't forget to go back and correct the claim prices.
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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2007, 05:31:51 PM »

Native Braces won for $12,500 and then a claiming handicap $14,000 to $17,500 in the last start I raced him he was 3rd for $20,000 then I sent him to Ledford and He put him in for $17,500 and he got claimed first start by Richard gurrola.

Aurora Star N was winning every week for $2,500 and no one would claim him because they said he was a bad sulker and would run out the draw gates in the mornings and plant them on the track and refuse to move unless you took the complete harness off him and walked back to the barn. They said some guy claimed him and he REFUSED the gate and was put on the list and the guy sold him back to Tim mair for $500 dollars. Every one laughed when I claimed him and said good luck with that one you will need it.
I never said it was some great feet it was just another story to me.

I am telling you this stuff that happened 7 years ago Im not looking up facts to read on paper like you are. I think everyone knows that I know what happened and have told it like it was!!!!!

Now whatever looking in is I dont know but Im still waiting for you to print your real name so I can see how many races you have won and what states you have won them in. Please hurry!!!!

P.S. does anyone know where I could buy some Albuteral for $90 a dose nyah nyah nyah
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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2007, 05:52:36 PM »

Wrong and wrong again.
3/20/99 he won a n/w 2,000 last 6.

3/27/99 he won a $12,500 claim.

4/3/99 he was 4p3 in a $20,000 claim.

4/17/99 he was fifth in a $14,000 claim at Bal.

He didn't win a $17,500 claim till 10/8/99 at Maywood for the new owners.

He was 5 years old so no allowances given.
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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2007, 06:50:40 PM »

Nice detective work Looking In, sort of discredits the Team Nance claims a tad bit, doesn't it. And like I said in a previous post, I could care less if they did it or not, it happened 25 yrs ago, who besides Danny really cares. Maybe if Danny showed people some respect, possibly some respect would be reciprocated.
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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2007, 06:51:04 PM »

They were claiming handicaps Im not talking about the price he was in for Im talking about the horses he beat!!!!!

Ok I could see you want me to be EXACT in what i say so let me say this, I am totally wrong its just a big lie!!!
I never done anything good , never won any races, and never made a dime for anybody.

There are you happy now? Whatever you want!! doh
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« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2007, 07:24:02 PM »

Scott, I think your missing the point of my posts, I could care less if you achieved the 60 winners or not. How people are attacked by Team Nance is really where my concerns lie. The lack of respect given to horsemen or fans, whoever, is what disturbs me more than anything. Many of the people that have been attacked, I know personally or have met. You want to talk racing, I'll talk all night long. If you want to talk about juicing, I'm not too interested, I'm not naive, the whining gets old. And let's face the facts, the 80's were along time ago, and who gives a darn if Harmer gave the money back or not.
        And as far as who I am, a few people know, I just like the forum and don't want a bunch of crap. How has it benefited you?
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« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2007, 10:06:48 PM »

Hasnt benefited me at all!!!

The comment about Harmer giving the purse money back is personal between harmer and myself. He made some comments about me to other people but yet when he would pass me everyday going to the track and also on the racetrack everymorning he would look the other way and not say a word to my face.

I have been attacked REPEATEDLY on this forum from day one for no reason at all. I have NEVER put anybody down or attacked anyone. All I have done is defend myself against lies, accusations, and put downs for using my own name and not hiding behind some made up screen name.

Its the same ol' thing day after day, I say one thing and I start getting attacked about things that have nothing to do with the subject, same thing over and over, "you didnt win anything", "yer ahorrible trainer", "you owe people", "you bounced checks", blah blah blah
isnt it old already?

If you guys want me to go away just say the word, I will go, I dont need to come on here to share what I know about the game, Which is all I have ever tried to do.
You guys can talk to each other and your madeup names so no one really knows who they are talking to or who is credible or not!!!

Whatever, its just really getting old and silly!!!!!!!
believe me when I tell you I have forgot more about Harness racing than most of you will ever learn. FACT!!!


P.S. put up a poll, should sn stay and keep posting, HIS WAY or should he "Just go away" I will do what you want.
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« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2007, 10:42:55 PM »

SN, I can only speak for myself, and let mesay I will not vote in a poll deciding who should post and who should not post. I have some idea of past history on this forum, but I care not to go back and read old threads, I can find other things to waste time on. I do believe much of the heat you take on this forum stems from DN and his never ending onslaught of insults and degrading commentary.
       As far as posters creditability, you can tell what type of person your communicating with by the postings. I have read horsepoop, the average poster there is a entry level groom with a 9 grade education who couldn't spell horse if you spotted them h o r. There is a different breed of poster at this forum.
       SN, If you won with all those horses, good for you, if you fibbed, shame on you, for the last time , could care less, it was 25 yrs ago.
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« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2007, 11:20:44 PM »

Hasnt benefited me at all!!!

The comment about Harmer giving the purse money back is personal between harmer and myself. He made some comments about me to other people but yet when he would pass me everyday going to the track and also on the racetrack everymorning he would look the other way and not say a word to my face.

I have been attacked REPEATEDLY on this forum from day one for no reason at all. I have NEVER put anybody down or attacked anyone. All I have done is defend myself against lies, accusations, and put downs for using my own name and not hiding behind some made up screen name.

Its the same ol' thing day after day, I say one thing and I start getting attacked about things that have nothing to do with the subject, same thing over and over, "you didnt win anything", "yer ahorrible trainer", "you owe people", "you bounced checks", blah blah blah
isnt it old already?

If you guys want me to go away just say the word, I will go, I dont need to come on here to share what I know about the game, Which is all I have ever tried to do.
You guys can talk to each other and your madeup names so no one really knows who they are talking to or who is credible or not!!!

Whatever, its just really getting old and silly!!!!!!!
believe me when I tell you I have forgot more about Harness racing than most of you will ever learn. FACT!!!


P.S. put up a poll, should sn stay and keep posting, HIS WAY or should he "Just go away" I will do what you want.


Scott,

A big reason you are treated on here the way you are... is because of your brother Dan.

He has argued with... insulted... threatened... and basically alienated 90% of the members both here... and on "***".

And you... by being included by him in many of his "rants" as part of "Team Nance"... get the same "disrespect" he does.

And although I agree that you should be judged on your own merits... that isn't going to happen as long as your name is associated with Dan's. 

I will state in your defense... that you are not as obsessed as Dan is... with his constant "beating everyone over the head" with how "great" he was... as both a part of "Team Nance" or on his own... but due to this topic being what Dan is known for... and is what he is constantly posting day after day... you get lumped in with that reputation.

I can personally state that Scott does indeed have a very good knowledge of harness racing... both past and present... and would be an interesting person to discuss harness racing on this forum.

Scott does know a LOT of people in the industry... again both past and present... and his thoughts and opinions would be worth listening to.

Scott... if you avoid discussing "you and Dan" (and Team Nance) I'm sure a lot of forum members here would eventually come to appreciate your imput and opinions.

I would suggest that members here give Scott a chance to "talk harness racing" without casting him in the shadow of his brother Dan.

You might be pleasantly surprised.
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« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2007, 11:49:29 PM »

The comment about Harmer giving the purse money back is personal between harmer and myself.

Why is it all ways in this public forum in our faces then. If personal keep it personal. Call him or send him email. he doesnt post on the forum I ever heard. 
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« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2007, 02:30:13 AM »

Gee... look what Dan Nance posted on "***"... in response to my post to Scott...  Roll Eyes

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Kiss my ass with this post! You don't know jackshit about anything, you just think you do. Big brother Dan has made life hell for little brother Scott. Is that what you think? Everybody attacks Scott because of big brother Dan. Is that what you think? Maybe you should sit the hell back and think real hard why big brother Dan is the way he is. Big brother Dan is the bad guy and little brother Scott is the good guy. Is that how it appears? I'm so glad you put your two cents in and explained why Scott is treated the way he's treated on BTW. Scott can do all the posting he wants to do on BTW for all care and he can suck up to goofs like you and all the rest too. I'll say it one more time. You have no clue and don't know jackshit about anything.

Awwww... looks like I hit a nerve with "Mr.Negative" Dan Nance...  Grin

Just another example of what a "BIG GOOF" you truly are, Dan.

No one cares what you say or think... you have managed to alienate 90% of the people on "***"... just like you did here on Barn to Wire.

My post was a "positive post" about Scott... and you turn it into something "negative" like you do with everything.

Get some help, Dan... you really need it.  Roll Eyes




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« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2007, 09:00:02 AM »

Gee... look what Dan Nance posted on "***"... in response to my post to Scott...  Roll Eyes

Awwww... looks like I hit a nerve with "Mr.Negative" Dan Nance...  Grin

Just another example of what a "BIG GOOF" you truly are, Dan.

No one cares what you say or think... you have managed to alienate 90% of the people on "***"... just like you did here on Barn to Wire.

My post was a "positive post" about Scott... and you turn it into something "negative" like you do with everything.

Get some help, Dan... you really need it.  Roll Eyes





I think you hit a nerve.
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« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2007, 12:03:10 PM »

Hey by the way anyone know where I can get some autographed footballs ?




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Mclock,

Be careful when when you venture into the sports memorabilia buis. it is full of fakes, phonies and liars at time as well.  Especially within the autographed Notre Dame Football Memorabilia.  If my memory serves me right, it seems there was some dust up in Vegas a few years ago involving some "Fake"  Shocked Dave Casper memorabilia. 

I think this following quote from this thread might apply here? maybe?

I am telling you this stuff that happened 7 years ago Im not looking up facts to read on paper like you are. I think everyone knows that I know what happened and have told it like it was!!!!!


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« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2007, 02:17:23 PM »

Hey fiddler (another poster who is affraid to use his real name) go tell porky pig that if he didnt rip so many people off his entire life he wouldnt be so paranoid about people scamming him!!!!!

Remember some one once said, "I never conned an honest man"!!

P.S. and ask him how many winners hes had in the last 8 months and if he wants to know the proper way to use that EPO that he got so he can cash a ticket allready!!!!!!!
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« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2007, 02:52:25 PM »

SN,

I'm wondering why you felt you needed to respond to my comments for Mclock regarding fake football memorabilia?  I was just answering his question about autographed footballs and urged him to use caution....there are a lot of fakes, frauds and yes, con men lurking out there.

Guilty conscience perhaps?  Who's "Porky Pig" anyway?  I happen to know a guy whose nickname is Porky; Tom Riccollo.  A great guy who has dabbled in harness horse ownership.  However, I have never known him to "rip off so many people his entire life."  In fact, he is one of the most straight forward people I have ever met.

I also find it curious that you comment "I never conned an honest man."  So is that an admission you have conned people, but can justify it because they were shady characters?  I find your response very strange.

Lastly, I'm not afraid to use my real name, I simply choose not to.  If you ever want to present your side of the story to me, (although, I don't know why you would) I am an easy man to find.  Walk into Oakbrook OTB on almost any Wed-Sat and go to the bar in the grandstand.  I will be the guy sitting at the end of far North end of the bar, right next to the waitress station.  If you get lost, ask anyone who works there where "Simo" sits.  They will point you in the right direction.
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« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2007, 03:27:42 PM »

You dont find it strabge at all!!!!

You are just another fair weather guy who acts like a freind to find out information!!!!!

I knew exactly who you were and what you were refering to That cheapskate Riccollo said more stuff about you behind your back to me you dont even know. You think he's your buddy HUH!!!!

You are the guy he instructed me not to say anything about Monstermack to!!! how you are just worried he will cash a ticket without you.
Yeah I know all about it say what you want and I will do the same. He has ripped more people off in his life than carter has pills!!! Its in his nature.
From Booking bets to ripping the Gas company and even the IRS. Tell it like it is!!!!
Just because he has some cash now it wasnt always that way!! I knew him, and Im sure you did to, when he was a scammer and busted and booking bets to eat!! Yeah its easy to talk when you got the bank account he does now!!!
That cash doesnt make him a different person or a generous guy.He has as much larceny in him now as he did before he just can cover it up now cause he has cash.

I know who you are and what you do but remember this, stick up for that cheapskate all you want And remember the next time your in Vegas and you want seats in the bellagio race book !!!!!!
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« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2007, 07:27:57 PM »

Well, I don't go to Vegas that much anymore; too many 20 somethings and jag offs from California clogging up the casinos for me, but when I do, I stay at the Rio now...no more Bellagio, I didn't like the place.  So, I guess I won't need any seats at the Bellagio Sports Book anytime in the future, but thanks for thinking of me.

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« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2007, 08:23:24 PM »


Mclock,

Be careful when when you venture into the sports memorabilia buis. it is full of fakes, phonies and liars at time as well.  Especially within the autographed Notre Dame Football Memorabilia.  If my memory serves me right, it seems there was some dust up in Vegas a few years ago involving some "Fake"  Shocked Dave Casper memorabilia. 

I think this following quote from this thread might apply here? maybe?

I am telling you this stuff that happened 7 years ago Im not looking up facts to read on paper like you are. I think everyone knows that I know what happened and have told it like it was!!!!!




Looks to me like someone struck another Nance's nerve..... Bomb

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« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2007, 09:26:34 PM »

 hijack

I THINK  Huh
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« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2007, 04:43:32 PM »

You dont find it strabge at all!!!!

You are just another fair weather guy who acts like a freind to find out information!!!!!

I knew exactly who you were and what you were refering to That cheapskate Riccollo said more stuff about you behind your back to me you dont even know. You think he's your buddy HUH!!!!

You are the guy he instructed me not to say anything about Monstermack to!!! how you are just worried he will cash a ticket without you.
Yeah I know all about it say what you want and I will do the same. He has ripped more people off in his life than carter has pills!!! Its in his nature.
From Booking bets to ripping the Gas company and even the IRS. Tell it like it is!!!!
Just because he has some cash now it wasnt always that way!! I knew him, and Im sure you did to, when he was a scammer and busted and booking bets to eat!! Yeah its easy to talk when you got the bank account he does now!!!
That cash doesnt make him a different person or a generous guy.He has as much larceny in him now as he did before he just can cover it up now cause he has cash.

I know who you are and what you do but remember this, stick up for that cheapskate all you want And remember the next time your in Vegas and you want seats in the bellagio race book !!!!!!

Just go away to horsepoop with all the other two bit liars.
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« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2007, 04:45:16 PM »

Just go away to horsepoop with all the other two bit liars.


Hey Burton - nice to see you back, hope you and the family had a great vacation.
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« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2007, 04:59:28 PM »


Hey Burton - nice to see you back, hope you and the family had a great vacation.
Thanks!
Will watch the replays tomorrow and back to hit them hard on closing weekend.
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« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2007, 06:01:26 PM »

Welcome back Burton it's not too late to go over a few replays and release your pic 4. It starts in the 9th  today thank goodness.Six Macdaddi chalks in a row to start the M1 card.

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