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Author Topic: Los Al back in Vegas, more harness soon  (Read 2404 times)
Trainer Rusty
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« on: January 01, 2006, 04:51:58 PM »

los alamitos is back at 27 nevada casinos.  it will not be at every vegas casino but enough.  more harness including cal expo will be in vegas soon.  horseplayers aren't traveling to vegas because home states offer more simulcast selections.  vegas wants to improve on this problem.


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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2006, 04:52:27 PM »

not at the great ti.

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2006, 06:06:24 PM »

los alamitos is back at 27 nevada casinos.  it will not be at every vegas casino but enough.  more harness including cal expo will be in vegas soon.  horseplayers aren't traveling to vegas because home states offer more simulcast selections.  vegas wants to improve on this problem.




Now it's time for RTP to move to Vegas and bet Los Al and take advantage of all the perks Vegas has to offer. And the kids are only 5 hrs away in AZ.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2006, 07:54:11 PM »

Sorry to be a spoil sport, but wait until those polecat criminal Arabian trainers start fixing races again like they did 8 years or so ago.  Los Al will be barred forever this time.  Of course, with nearly all racebook action being PM now, never say never.  The Bazleys and Lewises of the world need to make scores too.  TC
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2006, 02:36:13 AM »

           Well thats good news for me vegas taking los al . looks like my vacations will be a lot longer now . it use to drive me nuts because I could'nt get a los al program there so I could bet off the computer at least . my friend has millions but no printer ! with my kids so close in arizona it looks like vegas might be my last stop for gambling . danny when I come out there I'll show you my system at los al . once you understand it and put some work in it you will win . if i only bet los al i would be rich ! but you know me I need 24 hour action !       RTP
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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2006, 07:10:48 AM »

TC you make know sense why would they bar it if it is para mutuel .The casinos racebooks still make 15% or more The reason they have not had it Los al cut the signal off because Vegas being so close. If they are going to fool with the races the offshore racebook will be the only ones taken advantage of.Los A ownerL ALLRED   did not like his money leaving for rebate shops and VEGAS A big % of the exoctis were hit off track is why he cut everybody off.Must have realized it was a losing battle .by doing that he got nothing because  a big % of the money went to offshore racebooks and never hit the pools .
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2006, 07:23:22 AM »

Race Track Phil I feel the same way.  The prices for p3's, 4's, and 6's are way above parlay.  For LV it will be great because there will be a good track to play late at night.  It works good because my next trip is to Ballys and that is one of the books on the list.

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2006, 08:25:53 AM »

TC you make know sense why would they bar it if it is para mutuel .The casinos racebooks still make 15% or more The reason they have not had it Los al cut the signal off because Vegas being so close. If they are going to fool with the races the offshore racebook will be the only ones taken advantage of.Los A ownerL ALLRED   did not like his money leaving for rebate shops and VEGAS A big % of the exoctis were hit off track is why he cut everybody off.Must have realized it was a losing battle .by doing that he got nothing because  a big % of the money went to offshore racebooks and never hit the pools .
Fineline, true about the book being 99 % PM these days, but look at the timeline.  You used to be able to bet Los Al in LV - right up until the Arabian wagering scandal.  Then, LV stopped taking it - not Allred cutting then off.  Ask an old-timer who has connections to people who worked at the LV dissemination service back then.  I think the timeline supports my claim.  TC
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2006, 12:04:05 PM »

TC I know some players that win some large payoffs in pick 6s at that time and Allred cut off rebate shops and Vegas stating he did not want all that money won off track.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2006, 12:16:22 PM »

            GUYS ,       I think when vegas was taking los al before the money bet was when they were actually just booking the bets and they got hurt as they did with harness racing years ago . today they cant get hurt , they just get their cut . so there's no reason to not take the action . those arabian trainers can cheat all they want , it will be the tracks responsibility to watch these guys now . before you had to get an ok to bet a 200 dollar exacta . today you can bet all you want they have nothing to lose and everything to gain . I agree its a great late night track to bet .                          RTP
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2006, 12:34:48 PM »

RTP, most casinos still want to offer house "Q"s to enhance the bottom line a bit.  Still, they don't offer them to lesser tracks - only "A" tracks.  Keep in mind the timing of simulcast money flowing into the track pool too.  As fineline stated, Allred probably didn't want a close by (300 mi.) facility with big players betting into their pool w/o getting more than a 1-3 % cut.  This being said, LVDS did drop tracks like Los Al (and Hazel) when betting scandals broke at those places.  PM wagering and the money going into the pools allow LV not to take hits like in the past, but LV still cut off paying out pool monies in the '95 Tilden/ Mills/ Weiner/ Martz and co. incident.  I'm sure several unnamed players have framed super tickets from that race (made at the Barbary Coast) on their walls at home - LOL.  Those were pool bet not honored by the BC for a time.  TC
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2006, 01:18:41 PM »

Large house Qs are a thing of the past .If you are a know player.The race book managers want to eliminate all risk because the corp type management dint believe big win or big losses just grind it out at 15% or more.They might give you a 20 Q with each $100 pm but might not. A house Q is the only mathematical bet in horse wagering and does not go in pools Big edge like counting cards can become big advantage to player where the ex are underlayed super strong on 1/2 mile harness tracks .Bet Cris will give you $200 hundred house Q on every race that they will pay up to the cap if intrested send me private message .When Vegas took house Q the Max's was 150 to 1
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2006, 02:54:36 PM »

           Well thats good news for me vegas taking los al . looks like my vacations will be a lot longer now . it use to drive me nuts because I could'nt get a los al program there so I could bet off the computer at least . my friend has millions but no printer ! with my kids so close in arizona it looks like vegas might be my last stop for gambling . danny when I come out there I'll show you my system at los al . once you understand it and put some work in it you will win . if i only bet los al i would be rich ! but you know me I need 24 hour action !       RTP

Phil

        You show me your Los Al system and I'll show you my Big M. system. Nobody comes up with the horses I come up with at the Big M. I bet exacta's, tri's, pick 3's, and pick 4's. 
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2006, 03:08:51 PM »

Large house Qs are a thing of the past .If you are a know player.The race book managers want to eliminate all risk because the corp type management dint believe big win or big losses just grind it out at 15% or more.They might give you a 20 Q with each $100 pm but might not. A house Q is the only mathematical bet in horse wagering and does not go in pools Big edge like counting cards can become big advantage to player where the ex are underlayed super strong on 1/2 mile harness tracks .Bet Cris will give you $200 hundred house Q on every race that they will pay up to the cap if intrested send me private message .When Vegas took house Q the Max's was 150 to 1
fine, no offense but 2 good friends are BAs for offshore concerns.  They have been in the industry for years and stay in tune with which companies are healthy (re : will pay you off NQA) and which are fly-by-night.  You are correct in that just about ANY Q is a thing of the past as far as a wagering alternative.  Every time I cash a .10 super that pays $200 or so, I just smile and hold a fist in triumph over the scum IRS.  On the 15 or so I've had that paid OVER $1000 for .10, well every dog has his day I suppose.  The ultimate trick -  is your opinion that strong in a particular race that a heavy dose of the "SAME TICKET" button is in order ?  Wink  TC
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2006, 03:59:13 PM »

I have been in the industry for manyr years and have no concerns if you know who you are dealing with .Ask your two friends about cris and pinnacle If they knock them they have no clues what they are talking about There are many more good ones but I find myself these are  the cream of the crop .You should do a little investagating Both have been featured on 60 minutes They both have over 100000 active customers each.I have been betting with cris for over 25 years and have had many large figures with both and never been slow paid or not paid .Every professial gambler has a acct with cris or BETCRIS.
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2006, 04:22:21 PM »

TC Dont listen to other people go to RX sports  forum ,com And learn for yourself what is going on offshore and gambling .
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2006, 04:26:38 PM »

Try just RX forum
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