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Author Topic: Bergstein weighs in on the upcoming strike....  (Read 3470 times)
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« on: December 30, 2005, 05:09:21 PM »

From his newsletter:

Deja-vu all over again in Chicago. Illinois harness
horsemen have declined offers from the
Johnstons, owners of Balmoral Park in Crete
and Maywood Park in Maywood, and those
tracks will go dark after the current horsemen’s
contract expires tomorrow night. Balmoral and
Maywood will not race Sunday or Tuesday. No
future negotiations have been scheduled, and the
horsemen’s president, Martin J. Engel, was
quoted as saying, “The industry has been hurting
for a long period of time. The horsemen are
hanging on by a thread. They’d rather not race
at all. It’s also a matter of principal.” We find
principal is not legal tender at the groceries and
gas stations and department stores we patronize,
but that’s Mr. Engel’s call, and that of his
members. The last horsemen’s strike in Chicago,
in 2003, lasted two and one-half months. It’s almost
impossible to recoup losses like that, regardless
of settlements.
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I find this pretty insulting to the horsemen.  What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2005, 05:13:02 PM »

I find this pretty insulting to the horsemen.  What do you think?

Stan has been around a long time and understands a lot of things other people dont see until many years later.
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2005, 05:16:02 PM »

Stan has been around a long time and understands a lot of things other people dont see until many years later.

I would generally yield to his experience, but honestly, I'm not sure if he understands the whole picture here.   But, then again, he's the President of the Harness Tracks of America...so I'm not sure what else to expect.

However, the racing situation here has done nothing but nosedive for years.  The recapture agreements and splits are unlike anything else in the country.  What else can we do?

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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2005, 05:23:21 PM »

What do I think? Tell Bergstein he has NOTHING ivested in Chicago harness racing so he should shut his trap. Tell him to invest some money in Chicago harness racing and then see if he would like racing for peanuts.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2005, 05:24:16 PM »

I would generally yield to his experience, but honestly, I'm not sure if he understands the whole picture here.   But, then again, he's the President of the Harness Tracks of America...so I'm not sure what else to expect.

However, the racing situation here has done nothing but nosedive for years.  The recapture agreements and splits are unlike anything else in the country.  What else can we do?

Recapture in Illinois is unique. Otherwise issues are the same with other states. Harness racing is diving everywhere except slots he understands the issues.

I read Stans news as long as I was interested in racing. Didnt always agree with him. Has always proved my thinking wrong.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 05:33:04 PM »

Stan has been around a long time and understands a lot of things other people dont see until many years later.
...like what - how to ring the male nurse at the assisted living center to change his Depends-again.  That goof should stick to retelling stories about Peace Corp and Nevele Pride.  He's at least 2 steps behind how the game is played out today. He couldn't pick Rucker, Seldon L., or  Casie Coleman out of a lineup if his life depended on it.  Just what the game needs is another Andy Rooney / Jack Whittaker type to toss in his 2 cents worth.  Sheeeesh.   TC
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 05:41:09 PM »

Of course its insulting to the horsemen, EW.  Stan Bergstein and Duncan Price should be retired to giving carriage rides to little boys and girls on super night.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 05:44:35 PM »

Well Stan,

   Since you have stuck your nose in to this...what exactly is their offer?  Does anyone know?  Have they offered anything?  I haven't heard anything. It sure would be nice to know. What I heard last night was the IHHA offered to let them take 100% recapture and let us race for what we generate and they said no.  Does anyone know anything other than that??
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 06:08:07 PM »

Guys,

     Let me just say this. It is a known fact that Stan Bergstein and Phil Langley have been long-time buddies and good friends. Bergstein writes his monthly bullshit news column in Hoof Beats magazine and goes after whomever Langley tells him to go after. Most people from the Roosevelt Raceway days can't stand the guy. He is annoying goofball who is a management flunky and worked at Sportsmen's Park years ago under Langley. Did you expect any different from this guy? He is living out in Arizona and probably inhaling lithium everyday to balance his moronic thoughts. LOL. I'll give you 100-1 odds that Langley told him to write this article. Just ignore him, he is a miserable SOB who probably only has months to live. He has got to be in his 80’s and probably wrote that article from his nursing home bed. Don’t let a senile old man like Bergstein get to you.


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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 06:16:10 PM »

Guys,

     Let me just say this. It is a known fact that Stan Bergstein and Phil Langley have been long-time buddies and good friends. Bergstein writes his monthly bullshit news column in Hoof Beats magazine and goes after whomever Langley tells him to go after. Most people from the Roosevelt Raceway days can't stand the guy. He is annoying goofball who is a management flunky and worked at Sportsmen's Park years ago under Langley. Did you expect any different from this guy? He is living out in Arizona and probably inhaling lithium everyday to balance his moronic thoughts. LOL. I'll give you 100-1 odds that Langley told him to write this article. Just ignore him, he is a miserable SOB who probably only has months to live. He has got to be in his 80’s and probably wrote that article from his nursing home bed. Don’t let a senile old man like Bergstein get to you.

LOL! Thought you were busy visting Brent.

God it has to bother brilliant people like you Joe that you are "nobody" whos only claim to fame is self proclaimed "esteemed poster" on Barn To Wire while Stan is "somebody" in the industry. Given your estimation of Stan that makes your life and meanigless career even lower. So sad.

Never a day goes by on this forum that the "esteemed posters" dont lower themselves even further here. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 06:22:02 PM »

LOL! Thought you were busy visting Brent.

God it has to bother brilliant people like you Joe that you are "nobody" whos only claim to fame is self proclaimed "esteemed poster" on Barn To Wire while Stan is "somebody" in the industry. Given your estimation of Stan that makes your life and meanigless career even lower. So sad.

Never a day goes by on this forum that the "esteemed posters" dont lower themselves even further here. 

Richard:

    Not that it matters but I just woke Brent up and am out the door. I have been one of the few people on this forum that has tried to remain civil to you and tolerate your filthy and disgusting screen name.

Now read my lips real clear. GO *** YOURSELF YOU MISERABLE *** AND PRINT THIS OUT. IT KILLS YOU THAT NANCE AND TC KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND NOW YOU WANT TO BRING IT ON AND START YOUR SHIT WITH ME. WELL, LETS DO IT MOTHER ***. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT SUCKING STRANGE MENS COCKS.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2005, 06:25:13 PM »

LOL! Thought you were busy visting Brent.

God it has to bother brilliant people like you Joe that you are "nobody" whos only claim to fame is self proclaimed "esteemed poster" on Barn To Wire while Stan is "somebody" in the industry. Given your estimation of Stan that makes your life and meanigless career even lower. So sad.

Never a day goes by on this forum that the "esteemed posters" dont lower themselves even further here. 

This I have to agree with -- Stan is probably the most influential non-driver/trainer in the history of the sport.  So, it's tough for me to comment negatively.

Joe, Dan, and TC -- it shocks me that you would be so harsh to him.  I definitely don't agree with what he's saying here, but wow -- I figured that wisdom garnered some respect.

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2005, 06:29:36 PM »

Now read my lips real clear. GO *** YOURSELF YOU MISERABLE *** AND PRINT THIS OUT. IT KILLS YOU THAT NANCE AND TC KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND NOW YOU WANT TO BRING IT ON AND START YOUR SHIT WITH ME. WELL, LETS DO IT MOTHER ***. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT SUCKING STRANGE MENS COCKS.

Nance and TC dont know who I am or they would have "outed" me a long time ago so that harness racing RATS could try to call my business to tell them I am posting on work time.

As far as you this post here says "I'm Joe Dakuras and this is who I am" in language no one elses post could say.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2005, 06:40:49 PM »

Note to Joe Dakuras :  Let me just say that you are insane if you think you can give credence to our #1 forum's cretins.  Don't try to be nice to a man who likes other men in his mouth - it's futile. Dan Nance tried to warn you Joe, didn't he ?  We already know something is wrong with a person who would admit to his acts by using it as a screen name.  I suppose there is nothing wrong about being gay - other than the spreading of diseases like AIDS and Hepatitis C.  These goofs think wiping out millions of people is some sort of cosmic joke, but it has spread to the normal community through drug use and transfusions.  The next time Dickie takes one in the mouth as his screen name suggests, I hope it isn't a "tainted" load.  He is a scum who would probably service every crooked IRB member if he could - the way he defends those polecats.  He knows nothing of the game as it is played out today, and takes as gospel every fiscal report put out by some racing body...in other words a management suck-up.   TC
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2005, 06:46:34 PM »

First of all REMEMBER who signs Bergstein's checks!!

I  sent an E-mail to Bergstein one time asking him why he does not ever write a story about Recapture and how it is hurting the Horse Racing Industry in Illinois. Of Course No Response!
Again Remember who signs his check.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2005, 06:52:44 PM »

Dakuras, you were civil to dis sissie M-F and look where it got you. I give him credit that he talkin racing a bit more now, but he is a proven liar by others on da forum and got his facts wrongo bongo too many time for my likin. Dickbreathe is sick fool and you shouln't try reasonin wit him. Peace out an Happy New Years.Ain't  it obvious its a manager at Maywood or workin downtown for the man who loves Langlee an Johnson?  My first guess tho I don't care one bit.
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2005, 07:01:26 PM »

JD, DON'T LET 'EM GIT TO YOU.THE FORUM LADY WILL SEE HIS DUMB WAYS AND GIVE HIM THE BOOT.TC WAS RIGHT DON'T LISTEN TO JACKWADS WHO ARE F'ED IN THE HEAD LIKE RICHARD.HE GOT REAL SENSITIVE WAY BACK ABOUT OJ SIMPSON AND SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THOSE CREEPS WHO SITS IN THE BACK OF A COURTROOM WATCHING TRAGEDIES UNFOLD.I LEARN EVERY DAY ON THIS FORUM WHO TO TRUST AND LISTEN TOO AND NOT TOO.RICHARD AIN'T ONE OF THEM.HE FIGHTS ALL THE TIME AND WANTS TO SHOUT DOWN YOU AND SOME OTHERS.YOUR BUDDY NANCE THINKS HE IS WENDT AND WHO KNOWS?THE WAY HE POSTS IT SEEMS LIKE HE ENJOYS THINKING HE'S ANONEMIS BUT HELL FALL LIKE A DOMINO.MARK MY WORDS.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2005, 07:06:35 PM »

JD, DON'T LET 'EM GIT TO YOU.THE FORUM LADY WILL SEE HIS DUMB WAYS AND GIVE HIM THE BOOT. TC WAS RIGHT DON'T LISTEN TO JACKWADS WHO ARE F'ED IN THE HEAD LIKE RICHARD.

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I have been here almost a year and never had a post took down unless it was in a doomed subject started by someone else. JD and TC cant say as much.

Matter of behaving like a ADULT.
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2005, 07:09:21 PM »

Bets?

I have been here almost a year and never had a post took down unless it was in a doomed subject started by someone else. JD and TC cant say as much.

Matter of behaving like a ADULT.

...an adult who prefers many men in his mouth hence the screen name.  Real adult to me - deviant adult is more like it.  TC
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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2005, 07:11:58 PM »

ANONEMIS

Twinkie LOL! I missed that.
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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2005, 07:20:47 PM »

This I have to agree with -- Stan is probably the most influential non-driver/trainer in the history of the sport.  So, it's tough for me to comment negatively.

Joe, Dan, and TC -- it shocks me that you would be so harsh to him.  I definitely don't agree with what he's saying here, but wow -- I figured that wisdom garnered some respect.

Best,
EW
EW, at 22 or 23, how could you be far behind the times too.  Bergstein has been a non-factor since you were about 5 in this sport.  THAT'S A FACT !  Also, as someone pointed out, who signs his check ?  Stan is a historian but knows nothing about today's game (pre-racing, better technology,etc.).  He wrote a Wendt-esque article defaming Bill Robinson in Hoofbeats and should have been knocked out or sued into oblivion by Mr. Robinson.  The shock is upon YOU EW for not knowing that the sport has passed Bergstein by.  Furthermore, the closest track to his AZ home is Calpo - home of honest racing - LOL.  EW, your earlier post proves again that you still have a ways to go to get a grip on harness reality for 2005-06.  Maybe stop watching those tapes from yesteryear and come out to the live races more often after you finish up school.  The only thing Bergstein is on the 05-06 information superhighway is roadkill my friend.  TC
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2005, 07:28:06 PM »

LOL! Mucho fun.

Edward you decide. Your young harness racing soul is whats at stake. Like if this was an online version of "The Screwtape Letters".

Stan Bergstein who IS something and someone. Or local gas bag TC.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2005, 07:37:54 PM »

as history whas shown the horsemen can't win this
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2005, 09:37:13 PM »

I read the quotes attributed to Mr. Bergstein, and I have no quarrel with them.  He is Right, standing on Principle will be a sacrifice.  To some more than others.  Some are racing and winning at other tracks.  Some cannot afford to ship out.  But the bills are in the mailbox day after day.

And I believe he is correct about the last strike.  How many made back the lost revenue? 

Maybe this strike is necessary.  I have my doubts.  But don't make it personal.  Our side cannot afford to make it personal.  Don't negotiate out of spite.  Keep it professional.
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2005, 12:07:55 AM »

I read the quotes attributed to Mr. Bergstein, and I have no quarrel with them.  He is Right, standing on Principle will be a sacrifice.  To some more than others.  Some are racing and winning at other tracks.  Some cannot afford to ship out.  But the bills are in the mailbox day after day.

And I believe he is correct about the last strike.  How many made back the lost revenue? 

Maybe this strike is necessary.  I have my doubts.  But don't make it personal.  Our side cannot afford to make it personal.  Don't negotiate out of spite.  Keep it professional.

You are correct -- standing on principal probably isn't right.  But, here's my issue: besides the "give us all the dates" offer, what have the "horsemen declined?"

In reality, the only necessity in this case is FAIRNESS.  The splits right now, are NOT FAIR.  The recapture agreement is NOT FAIR.  People need to pay their bills, and hope that in this time of need that horsemen will help out fellow horsemen to make this time as "doable" as possible.  BUT, if these unfair practices aren't fixed, I don't think there should be racing until Hawthorne.

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2005, 12:17:16 AM »

LOL!

Stan Bergstein who IS something and someone. Or local gas bag TC.
Incorrect per usual Mr. *** liar Dickie.  1st off, you said you had me on ignore - please continue with that as it made for a better forum.  2nd, Bergstein WAS somebody many, many moons ago.  he's a retiree living on fixed income in AZ now.  I'll give you the gas bag comment as a New Year's gift  Wink  TC
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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2005, 12:28:44 AM »

This I have to agree with -- Stan is probably the most influential non-driver/trainer in the history of the sport.  So, it's tough for me to comment negatively.

Joe, Dan, and TC -- it shocks me that you would be so harsh to him.  I definitely don't agree with what he's saying here, but wow -- I figured that wisdom garnered some respect.

Edward its OK. They didnt mean anything personal. When ever the axis of evil reads anyone stand up for some industry name they mount a nasty disrespectful attack to try and flush out people they dont know and bother any friends of the attacked. Being accomplish nothing axxholes and professional trolls they have to try to tear down anyone above them. There just flea bitten jackals.
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2005, 03:05:13 AM »


STAN GOT CONFUSED, HE MISTAKED CHICAGO H-RACING FOR "REAL H-RACING!!!!!!!
HE FORGOT ABOUT REAL FANS , REAL TRAINERS/DRIVERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND MOST OF ALL "REAL JUICE MEN"
CHICAGO IS A TRUE EMBARRESSMENT TO REAL HORSEMENSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE NEEDLE DOES NOT LIE!!!!!!!!
RIGHT Huh?
DARCY/RUCKER/LAPPE/BERNARDI/ELLISON/BOCCIA/COZZI/

THE BEAT GOES ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2005, 10:32:59 AM »

This I have to agree with -- Stan is probably the most influential non-driver/trainer in the history of the sport.  So, it's tough for me to comment negatively.

Joe, Dan, and TC -- it shocks me that you would be so harsh to him.  I definitely don't agree with what he's saying here, but wow -- I figured that wisdom garnered some respect.

Best,
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EW:
    It shocks me that you would waste your time on such a slanted-minded reporter. In case you did not read the fine print of Mr. Bergstein, he took a direct swipe at our IHHA President. I don't take too kindly to that.

     If you want to respect him, fine, go ahead. Please don't push your views on me because I know who this guy is and what his agenda contains. He and Langley are inseparable. Bergstein was told to write that story by Langley to put pressure on the horsemen/women and make the IHHA look bad.

     If you were a wee-bit older you woule remember this guy from the old Roosevelt Raceway days. Just ask around to some of the older New York racing fans about this guys credibility. Let's just say that you would not receive very many positive remarks made about Mr. Bergstein.

     Tc is right when he says that Bergstein is lucky that Bill Robinson did not file a lawsuit for writing with a crooked pen, as he is known to do. As the other poster on this thread said, just remember who is signing Bergstein's check...none other than our wonderful USTA President, Phil Langley.

    Learn more about this bigot and then come back on here and we'll talk. Until then, I guess its your call to go ahead and respect a man who is disliked by most within the industry and noted for writing defaming and slanderous news articles, like the one about Hall of Fame trainer, Bill Robinson. Go ahead and show him all the respect that you wish, just don't ask me to.

     I feel that he owes our IHHA President, and Illinois horsemen/women a sincere apology, and until then, he will be considered, as Richard Breth would say, "A bitter has been in the harness racing community."

     Respect is earned, not granted by one’s wisdom. For Bergstein to get my respect, he must give it. This he did not do when he decided to put his filthy nose in where it did not belong. Bergstein slammed the IHHA President and Illinois horsemen/women and for that, he should be thrown in a Balmoral trash dumpster for yet another of his misleading and inflammatory writings.

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« Reply #29 on: December 31, 2005, 03:04:48 PM »

Phil Langley allegedly signs Stan Bergstein's check?   Where did that notion come from?   Stan works for the HTA, Harness Tracks of America which is based in Tuscon, Arizona and is a Trade Association made up of over 40 'member associations and racetracks.'  He is not a USTA employee to the best of my knowledge.
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« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2005, 03:05:10 PM »

You can love Stan or hate Stan, but what Stan said in his writings are 100% true. That no one can dispute. Just because the guy writes a differing opinion, he is cast a senile old man who is in some death bed in a nursing home? Jesus Christ people if you don't agree with his opinion you don't agree with his opinion but don't attack the man personally. That's the problem with this damn board.
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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2005, 03:56:44 PM »

EW, at 22 or 23, how could you be far behind the times too.  Bergstein has been a non-factor since you were about 5 in this sport.  THAT'S A FACT !  Also, as someone pointed out, who signs his check ?  Stan is a historian but knows nothing about today's game (pre-racing, better technology,etc.).  He wrote a Wendt-esque article defaming Bill Robinson in Hoofbeats and should have been knocked out or sued into oblivion by Mr. Robinson.  The shock is upon YOU EW for not knowing that the sport has passed Bergstein by.  Furthermore, the closest track to his AZ home is Calpo - home of honest racing - LOL.  EW, your earlier post proves again that you still have a ways to go to get a grip on harness reality for 2005-06.  Maybe stop watching those tapes from yesteryear and come out to the live races more often after you finish up school.  The only thing Bergstein is on the 05-06 information superhighway is roadkill my friend.  TC

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Robinson sue for defamation of character? That's a funny one even coming from you. The Bill Robinson...the guy who is currently serving a multi year suspension for all the positives he's had. The guy who's serving the type of suspension that guys like Anderson and Rucker also deserve? The guy who taught Monte Gelrod and Carl Conte all his little tricks, so that Conte and Gelrod are also serving multi year suspensions thanks to Mr. Robinson's "professional guidance."

By the way...Langley doesn't sign anyone's checks. He, or any other USTA president is not the operational head of the organization. That job belongs is the executive vice president, currently Eric Sharbaugh, who replaced Fred Noe. Langley's job as president is more or less a ceremonial one...think of his role as being similar to that of the Queen of England.  Grin
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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2005, 09:55:51 PM »

Paul,

   Phil as Queen, somehow I can't erase that picture from my mind. I am sure he really appreciates that comparison. 

                     Donna
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« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2006, 12:29:26 AM »

Paul,

   Phil as Queen, somehow I can't erase that picture from my mind. I am sure he really appreciates that comparison. 

                     Donna

I could have used other analogies...I thought that one was best.  Grin

Happy New Year, Donna.

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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2006, 01:05:29 PM »

Stan Bergstein does not want to see Illinois harness racing fail.   I've read and re-read his 'story' that in my view was more of a story than a 'editorial' and frankly if taken line by line - nothing he said was/is false. I've known the man for over 30 years and he's always been a gentleman to me and has a wealth of knowledge about our sport.  It may be true that he isn't as close to the Illinois situation as we'd like but I really don't believe he was slapping the IHHA or Marty at all.  Just making observations of the mess that Illinois Harness Racing has become.   Both Stan's article and Marty's response were straight forward and professional, as I see it.  Stan has a passion for harness racing that is hard to overlook.
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2006, 03:47:21 PM »

Stan Bergstein does not want to see Illinois harness racing fail.   I've read and re-read his 'story' that in my view was more of a story than a 'editorial' and frankly if taken line by line - nothing he said was/is false. I've known the man for over 30 years and he's always been a gentleman to me and has a wealth of knowledge about our sport.  It may be true that he isn't as close to the Illinois situation as we'd like but I really don't believe he was slapping the IHHA or Marty at all.  Just making observations of the mess that Illinois Harness Racing has become.   Both Stan's article and Marty's response were straight forward and professional, as I see it.  Stan has a passion for harness racing that is hard to overlook.

As I've said, Stan's contributions to the industry are incredible.  My biggest problem with the editorial is that he makes it sounds as if the horsemen have been careless in the issue, and that they have just "rejected" fair offers placed on the table.  This is not true.

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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2006, 03:59:34 PM »

What ever his job is what a joke USTA PRESIDENT
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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2006, 04:15:54 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2006, 12:35:11 AM »

What do I think? Tell Bergstein he has NOTHING ivested in Chicago harness racing so he should shut his trap. Tell him to invest some money in Chicago harness racing and then see if he would like racing for peanuts.

Someone should beat the *** out of BERGSTEIN just for opening his fat mouth he is nothing but a "KISS ASS" DICK SXCKER.
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