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Author Topic: Arlington strikes back - OTB wars!  (Read 1324 times)
CLOCKERTERRY
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« on: December 29, 2005, 12:14:19 PM »

A Sun Times story says now Arlington wants to put a new OTB in Rosemont. Close to the Niles OTB, and reasonably close to the owner of the Niles OTB, Maywood.

Here's the questions:

How is this OTB near Arlington going to affect Trackside business and live racing attendance differently than the Niles one near Arlington the Arlington folks told the Racing Board was just absolutely going to ruin them?

Why won't Arlington just fix up Trackside to make it more attractive? Or is that Jefferson Park/Park Ridge customer base really that lucrative?

Will Lisa Madigan oppose this OTB on the grounds Don Stepens is mobbed up?

Will Don Stephens and Dick Duchossois kiss and make up publicly for all the mean things they said about each other when the Rosemont casino deal imploded, thanks in no small part to actions by each of them?

Will Jim C. come on here to blast the current ITHA leadership for not opposing this OTB? Smiley

These and many more, as the world turns. Stay tuned.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-otb29.html
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2005, 06:32:11 PM »

Sort of an odd twist I guess, and a funky place to put it into  - I always thought of that place as a bizarre cross between a Hotel sports bar and one of those funky stay out late places down Manheim Road- I've never cared for that place at all.

I think were Niles will hurt AP or trackside is drawing people from not necessarily Jeff Park/ Park Ridge (although Mr. Calabrese would be enough of a draw from there)  but from the whole North Shore - who hate the commute to AP and would rather not go to Waukeegan for the commute as well as the surroundings.

Where would Rosemont draw from? I'm not sure - that area is such a traffic headache to drive to - hopefully tourists from the Hotels - but I doubt too much of that - sort of sad that AP wants to shoe horn some tvs and machines in an existing questionable bar rather than go with the Bookie McGees experiment or some new idea of thier own. Clocker Terry - did you ever make trip to Joliet to check it out? - if so please report back.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 07:11:42 PM »

The whole "OTB-in-a-sports-bar" is exactly how the entire AZ OTB system operates (as I know terry has mentioned here as well).  The key is how are they intermingled --- a separate area (plus a few TVs in the main area) or just an overall nuisiance to the existing patrons.

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 07:15:22 PM »

Hey just noticed I'm a "Jr. Member" --- being called "Jr." is not bad for a guy on Social Security.
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CLOCKERTERRY
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2005, 01:17:11 AM »

Clocker Terry - did you ever make trip to Joliet to check it out? - if so please report back.

Not yet. I got busy. The new plan is next week.
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2005, 01:24:47 AM »

One more note on this subject.

Awhile back Jim C. mentioned the new Niles OTB would contribute less to purses than Trackside and I asked why. There was no answer, so I did some investigation. Turns out ITW sites like Trackside split all money 50-50 with the horsemen, while OTB's return less to horsemen and more to the operator.

However, the whole argument seems a little moot now that Arlington is floating the idea of this OTB, which would do exactly the same thing to exactly the same near-Arlington market as the Niles OTB: Keep more for "the track" and give less to purses. The only difference now is that the evil track that's going to take purse money away from the horsemen is Arlington, not the Intertrack partners, so that probably makes the whole thing okay. I would think.

And what of the Trackside regulars, and all the employees?
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2005, 10:24:18 AM »

One more note on this subject.

Awhile back Jim C. mentioned the new Niles OTB would contribute less to purses than Trackside and I asked why. There was no answer, so I did some investigation. Turns out ITW sites like Trackside split all money 50-50 with the horsemen, while OTB's return less to horsemen and more to the operator.

However, the whole argument seems a little moot now that Arlington is floating the idea of this OTB, which would do exactly the same thing to exactly the same near-Arlington market as the Niles OTB: Keep more for "the track" and give less to purses. The only difference now is that the evil track that's going to take purse money away from the horsemen is Arlington, not the Intertrack partners, so that probably makes the whole thing okay. I would think.

And what of the Trackside regulars, and all the employees?

Wake up, whaddya think? Granted, I don't know much about the subject but it seems to me like, with Emerald out of the picture, Mr. Upstairs was given the latest "sneak peak" and that means - turf wars over slot machines.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2005, 02:41:33 PM »

Shoeless Joe's is in a hotel next to Allstate Arena. Second, Mr. Calabrese prefers to go where there is LIVE racing. The Niles OTB is 20-30 min away from AP OTB.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2005, 03:46:34 PM »

Wake up, whaddya think? Granted, I don't know much about the subject but it seems to me like, with Emerald out of the picture, Mr. Upstairs was given the latest "sneak peak" and that means - turf wars over slot machines.

I don't understand what you are saying, Ed. Do you think OTB's are going to get slot machines, so everyone is opening as many as possible now? Would that be a good bet on Arlington's part to put one in Rosemont on that basis, with the Attorney General feeling the way she does about the Rosemont political leadership?
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2005, 03:52:02 PM »

Here are several more news stories on the proposed OTB. The angle seems to be that it is only a marketing tool, to get people who came to Rosemont to visit a taste of horse racing, then get them out to the track. How does that sound to everyone? The stories don't entirely tell the same story about what is planned there, 2 TV's or 40 TV's or what, but that is no doubt the fault of reporters, rather than some sources not having their story straight.

http://www.dailyherald.com/news/cookstory.asp?id=137345

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0512300285dec30,1,6447522.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/city/3_1_EL30_A3ROSEMONT_S1.htm
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2005, 04:54:35 PM »

I don't understand what you are saying, Ed. Do you think OTB's are going to get slot machines, so everyone is opening as many as possible now? Would that be a good bet on Arlington's part to put one in Rosemont on that basis, with the Attorney General feeling the way she does about the Rosemont political leadership?


Terry, I don't know.

1) I don't think Ms. Madigan has or will have much say. A State or Federal Appeals Court judge might have more to say, IF NEED BE,  uh-oh. This is how the courts work: lower court decisions, the ABA doesn't care about them, most of that stuff is a done deal anyway, BUT, when a case goes up on appeal,those cases are watched, all of them, VERY CAREFULLY. By the way, Supreme Court Justice ALLITO?...Let the fun begin.

2) Slots need to be protected from the elements, like indoors? So, for these guys, it's a bet on one or several POSSIBLE futures.  A smart businessman will always bet on a sure thing and businessmen always look to the future. Lawyers, judges, politicians, the newspaper, don't forget the sheriff, that just about covers it. Really, who else needs to be involved? Alweays, the public is merely placed on a need-to-know basis.

Disney World wasn't built in a day. Land was purchased on the sly, and then wham...Disney World.

Same with the Peotone Airport. In my opinion, the airport property is a giant RETIREMENT fund and a trust fund for the heirs. That's why it took so long to develop. It will be built and I barely follow the story, occasionally I hear vague, purposely unsubstantial, rumblings on TV. Please don't believe about "good reporting" and "sources." If you knew how much extortion and blackmail newspapers and television are capable of, you'd cry. And they DO KNOW plenty, plenty, plenty about everything and everyone, it's true, they have reporters everywhere and sources and whistleblowers and snitches and they keep it on the qt, most of the time, for the sake of CONVENIENCE.








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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2006, 01:18:42 AM »

Terry,
I never blasted the current ITHA leadership for NOT opposing the Niles OTB, they in fact did, I complained that they did not do a good enough job of saying WHY they opposed it and how it would/could effect purses. I would say the same about this new OTB offering as well although it seems to be a much smaller endeavor than the Niles operation.
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