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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2007, 11:32:07 AM »

Moon:

Knowing (somewhat...well, at least a passing familiarity) your political views and your penchant for posting links to humorous websites, photos, etc., this is for you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/republican_part.html
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2007, 11:58:16 AM »

Moon:

Knowing (somewhat...well, at least a passing familiarity) your political views and your penchant for posting links to humorous websites, photos, etc., this is for you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/republican_part.html

Careful what links you put here! Using something like The Atlantic as a source will get you labeled as a dirty pinko coward liberal.

You need to quote Truuuuck! Magazine, or Soldier of Fortune, or Seed Corn Review.
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2007, 01:34:51 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2007, 01:37:31 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2007, 06:32:24 PM »

Moon:

Knowing (somewhat...well, at least a passing familiarity) your political views and your penchant for posting links to humorous websites, photos, etc., this is for you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/republican_part.html

Not a big fan of Andrew Sullivan. He seems to have seen the light, but he was part of the Bush war enabler crew for a long time, and it seems like he did it just for the money. (like most of the right wing blowhards)
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2007, 07:59:11 AM »

Not a big fan of Andrew Sullivan. He seems to have seen the light, but he was part of the Bush war enabler crew for a long time, and it seems like he did it just for the money. (like most of the right wing blowhards)

I don't know who he is. A friend sent me that link and I thought it was hilarious. I mean, not only do they think Satan has sent illegal immigrants to infiltrate the U.S., but they actually want to write Legislation to do something about it. Scary!
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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2007, 09:11:58 PM »

I've never been to Oaklawn, but I am sure it is a great place. However, if you are against making racing family friendly, then continue to watch your sport die a slow death. Many of us were introduced to racing at a young age, much like we were introduced to baseball, basketball, football. Ever been to Santa Anita and Gulfstream? They also promote their sport with family friendly entertainment, which not only boosts attendance but helps erase the negative stygma associated with the sport. Arlington has done a nice job of building a new fan base that will continue to pay dividends into the future as these "face painted" kids grow up. Question the purses and why two tracks owned by the same company can't figure out a way to share the quality horses available. Stop worrying about the people that are actually having fun at the track.
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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2007, 08:48:36 AM »

Oh, really. It strikes me that Vegas went straight downhill when they changed to "family friendly" and now they have switched back.

Should everybody bring their kids to Vegas and/or casinos so they grow up to be slots players?

Horse racing is ADULT entertainment. It's gambling.

Well, it's SUPPOSED to be anyway. At Arlington Park, apparently it isn't. They seem to be more interested in the admission charge than the gambling revenue.
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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2007, 10:45:41 AM »

Kids at the track is how new racing fans are developed. They don't suddenly decide to start going to an OTB when they are 21.

I think kids would be much more interested if Mom and/or Dad said "We're going to the track. You can't go. You aren't old enough."

Then, when they hit 21, they'll REALLY want to go to the track.

/It's not like Mom and/or Dad aren't going to go to the track. This way it's more of a forbidden pleasure to  kids.
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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2007, 10:51:46 AM »

I think kids would be much more interested if Mom and/or Dad said "We're going to the track. You can't go. You aren't old enough."

Then, when they hit 21, they'll REALLY want to go to the track.

/It's not like Mom and/or Dad aren't going to go to the track. This way it's more of a forbidden pleasure to  kids.

Hah. Then when they're able to go, they'll develop a serious gambling problem. Which I suppose is good for people like me, who can take thier pari-mutuel funds. But the point is, alcoholism, improper drinking and an overall inability to drink responsibly is in some way causally related to the forbiddenness of alcohol. Granted, the French still die from cirrhosis (sp) at an alarming rate, and there are plenty of winos there, too, but the culture of alcohol is extraordinarily different (for the better, in my opinion) over there, and I think it has something to do with being exposed to it at an early age.
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2007, 10:55:22 AM »

I don't necessarily agree that racing makes new fans by bringing kids to the track.I would have to see some proof of that.I think more fans are made in any sport by going out with dad or friends and getting others involved.I think mothers take some of the pleasure out of it for dad and he passes it on that feelong to the kids.
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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2007, 10:56:40 AM »

I think kids would be much more interested if Mom and/or Dad said "We're going to the track. You can't go. You aren't old enough."

Then, when they hit 21, they'll REALLY want to go to the track.

/It's not like Mom and/or Dad aren't going to go to the track. This way it's more of a forbidden pleasure to  kids.

Moon,

You really are anti-kids. Horse tracks have ALWAYS been both a family outing and for hardened gamblers. There are different areas to go to in the track if you don't want to see the children. They are easy to find.

I really don't know why you are so against children, because for a man that is the age you profess to be - you are one of the most immature posters that I've ever seen on this site. I'm not trying to mean, or to be an ***hole, or to start an argument - I'm just stating a fact.
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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2007, 11:04:03 AM »

Also, Moon said something like "horse racing is adult entertainment. It's gambling." And a great deal of the appeal is from the gambling. But gambling isn't necessary to being a spectator at a horse race. In fact, on those rare moments when I can watch a race without _any_ trace of handicapping in my consciousness or unconscious, it's quite a remarkable experience--much different than watching a race with the intent of obtaining information valuable to handicapping, money on the line or not.
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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2007, 11:11:57 AM »

Moon,

You really are anti-kids. Horse tracks have ALWAYS been both a family outing and for hardened gamblers. There are different areas to go to in the track if you don't want to see the children. They are easy to find.

I really don't know why you are so against children, because for a man that is the age you profess to be - you are one of the most immature posters that I've ever seen on this site. I'm not trying to mean, or to be an ***hole, or to start an argument - I'm just stating a fact.

I like kids. I don't like kids at the track.

I don't like kids in Vegas.

I don't like kids in a bar.

I don't like kids in a nightclub.

I don't like kids at a concert.

I don't like kids at the opera.

There are adult ONLY things, and they should stay that way. Gambling is one of them.
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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2007, 11:14:07 AM »

Also, Moon said something like "horse racing is adult entertainment. It's gambling." And a great deal of the appeal is from the gambling. But gambling isn't necessary to being a spectator at a horse race. In fact, on those rare moments when I can watch a race without _any_ trace of handicapping in my consciousness or unconscious, it's quite a remarkable experience--much different than watching a race with the intent of obtaining information valuable to handicapping, money on the line or not.

"Why can't you all just watch the horses go around the track?"

That got one of the biggest laughs in "Let It Ride".

Let's be serious. Very few people go to the track to watch the horses run around. What is it, 2 minutes x 10 races for an afternoon that lasts 5-6 hours?
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2007, 11:26:17 AM »

There are dozens of official training tracks for botht-breds and harness around the country where there is NO gambling. They get several hundred people every day who come out for a nice breakfast or brunch and to watch the horses work-out, and they usually have short "mock" races.

Before my Dad died, he used to go to one of them that wasn't very far from his home in DeLand, Florida (close to Daytona). He loved going there and watching the majestic horses on the track.

There would be entire families, individuals, etc. They would stay for the entire time to just watch the horses jog, walk and or run.
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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2007, 11:31:37 AM »

That's GOOD. Let's send all the people who want to watch the horses run around the track THERE!

/Just a guess: MOST of those are there because they are watching their horses train.
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2007, 12:27:51 PM »

Yesterday at Hollywood they had around 3500 on-track and wagered just over 1 million.
What is the betting/per head at AP, about $35  Cheesy
Maybe if they lower the legal  betting age to 6 that will help.
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2007, 12:40:03 PM »

Anyone know which bathrooms the Diaper Changing Tables are in... I am bringing my three year old Saturday
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2007, 01:02:29 PM »

I don't necessarily agree that racing makes new fans by bringing kids to the track.I would have to see some proof of that.I think more fans are made in any sport by going out with dad or friends and getting others involved.

What is the difference between bringing kids to the track and going out with dad?
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2007, 01:42:09 PM »

Just wondering: In my experience at Arlington, I'm not sure I've ever really seen any kids actually handicapping races or studying between races. My impression is that of
1. Stroller kids too young to know anything
2. Kids in the park occupied with what's going on there
3. Myopic teenagers listening to music devices and bored to death.
4. Kids sitting in the center court area not really doing much of anything.

The picture of Dad or even Mom going over races together with their kids or explaining the tote board does not register. I'd be interested to hear your observations.
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2007, 01:47:03 PM »

CLOCKERTERRY,

Mother / wife is not along for the ride as Dad teaches his son about the finer things in life if it's going to the track or any other sporting event.Women,drinking,gambling sports etc Father and son share moments that are  different if mother is along for the ride.My dad being from the old country believed wrestling was real and we all know it isn't but I went along with him and enjoyed it.

Most guys will tell you they got hooked on some sport because of their dad.IMO
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2007, 01:54:29 PM »

Just wondering: In my experience at Arlington, I'm not sure I've ever really seen any kids actually handicapping races or studying between races. My impression is that of
1. Stroller kids too young to know anything
2. Kids in the park occupied with what's going on there
3. Myopic teenagers listening to music devices and bored to death.
4. Kids sitting in the center court area not really doing much of anything.

The picture of Dad or even Mom going over races together with their kids or explaining the tote board does not register. I'd be interested to hear your observations.

I agree. This pretty much somes up AP on Sundays
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2007, 01:59:36 PM »

But gambling isn't necessary to being a spectator at a horse race.

This is one of AP's problems. Too many people (mothers/kids/seniors) sitting around doing everthing else but betting. I'm not sure they even watch the races.
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2007, 09:34:44 PM »

 carrot
Take is easy on bashing the kids.   My austic 8 year old even made a song about what happens on Sundays.   He sang it of the AP folks but it got cut because he would refer in the song about "swiping your card".   His song also mention the Junior Jockey Club.
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