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Author Topic: Meanwhile on the Racetrack?  (Read 3689 times)
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« on: May 08, 2007, 06:34:59 PM »

Arlington's priorities, this says it all: http://www.arlingtonpark.com/news/track_news/track_news_050707.html

It's really blatant this year.

O for purity such as Oaklawn!
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2007, 07:20:53 PM »

Purity at Oaklawn ?? Don't get me wrong I like Oaklawn but there are an awful lot of people playing the machines at Oaklawn.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2007, 09:22:38 AM »

I never saw the machines at Oaklawn. Just went to the track, where the place was well populated and the concentration was on racing. I'm just saying that Arlington's marketing program is heavily skewed to the stroller crowd, more so than in past years, it seems. And Polytrack is part of the plan. The direct mail pieces I get at home reflect the same.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2007, 09:28:59 AM »

Oaklawn is one of my favorites with one of the largest fan bases I have seen and yes they do indeed have slots.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2007, 09:46:07 AM »

a trip to arlington is a trip to the zoo, it is  a reflection of the way the women in the northwest suburbs dominate every aspect of life in suburbia there, and reflects on just how stoneless the men in that area are. they even control how the track is operated now, since time began a male dominted venue, now controled once agin by the mobs that just don't want to stay home and be loving parents, i guees its too difficult to be a mommy, easier to pretend you are a man.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2007, 09:50:27 AM »

The Oaklawn slots are totally isolated from the racing, in their own enclosed room on the right side of the first floor. It's a fire hazard, with only one small entrance and exit, and makes no attempt whatsoever to expose slots players to horse racing. Except the indoor paddock, which they would see when they come in the building.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2007, 09:54:39 AM »

You can easily enter Oaklawn without even noticing they _have_ slots there.

One of my favorite racetracks, and towns, although I felt as though I were the only Jew out of the 20,000 people there, haha.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2007, 09:56:29 AM »

a trip to arlington is a trip to the zoo, it is  a reflection of the way the women in the northwest suburbs dominate every aspect of life in suburbia there, and reflects on just how stoneless the men in that area are. they even control how the track is operated now, since time began a male dominted venue, now controled once agin by the mobs that just don't want to stay home and be loving parents, i guees its too difficult to be a mommy, easier to pretend you are a man.

Not this misogynistic B.S. again.  thumbs down

There's room at Arlington for everyone. It's a big track. That includes women and kids out for a day to see horses. Kids love horses.
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2007, 09:57:25 AM »

You can easily enter Oaklawn without even noticing they _have_ slots there.

One of my favorite racetracks, and towns, although I felt as though I were the only Jew out of the 20,000 people there, haha.

After the last trip, if I never hear the word truuuuuck again, it will be too soon.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2007, 10:01:10 AM »

This year's Derby was my second trip to Hot Springs and once again I took the scenic route, cutting across Missoura once I got to STL and then taking small highways through the Ozarks. Absolutely beautiful country. And, having spent a good deal of my life in Chicago and its suburbs, the rural culture/shacks/landscape is very interesting, very different from what you might find on Euclid Ave., or even Laramie.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2007, 10:01:42 AM »

You can easily enter Oaklawn without even noticing they _have_ slots there.

One of my favorite racetracks, and towns, although I felt as though I were the only Jew out of the 20,000 people there, haha.

Did you wear your yarmulke when you went there?
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2007, 10:03:11 AM »

Hahahaha. You think I want to get lynched?

My friend asked, upon our entering the track, if we were at a 4H club meeting, commenting on how different the crowd is from that of Hawthorne and Sportsmans.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2007, 10:05:09 AM »

Not this misogynistic B.S. again.  thumbs down

There's room at Arlington for everyone. It's a big track. That includes women and kids out for a day to see horses. Kids love horses.

I agree. Arlington has ALWAYS been a fun racetrack for families to visit. When I was a kid, my Dad took our entire family there at least 3 to 4 times every summer. That was in the early 60's. I don't know why there are a few family bashers on here.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2007, 10:06:20 AM »

I was there Wednesday through Sunday for most of my childhood.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2007, 10:07:36 AM »

Hahahaha. You think I want to get lynched?

My friend asked, upon our entering the track, if we were at a 4H club meeting, commenting on how different the crowd is from that of Hawthorne and Sportsmans.

I just saw a picture recently (maybe posted by Terry ?). I think it was the apron of Oaklawn, and there were many many cowboy hats being worn.
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2007, 10:08:49 AM »

Kids at the track is how new racing fans are developed. They don't suddenly decide to start going to an OTB when they are 21.
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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2007, 10:10:23 AM »

I was there Wednesday through Sunday for most of my childhood.

Well yeah other than our family outings, as I've posted many times here before - I worked at Arlington every summer from 1965 through 1969 (when I enlisted). So, I was there from 5am until about 8pm on those days. Then on to Wayne's Pizza with the rest of the crew.
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2007, 10:26:19 AM »

Hey. When you guys go to Oaklawn, Don't forget to stop across the street at my uncles restaurant, Rocky's Corner. Go get your self an "Uppercut" Beef & Italian Sausage sandwich.

I was down there for the Rebel Stakes and had a great time. I'm also going down there in August for an NHC Handicap Contest and I'm gonna do some fishing for those Striper Bass that get to 50 LBS! 
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2007, 10:57:15 AM »

If you want to see the REAL target audience of Arlington Park, pick up the latest copy of Chicago Social (CS) magazine (it's free, for all you cheap bastards)

They have a 50 page or so, color, glossy paper, special advertising section in the middle of the magazine. I don't have to tell you who THAT is aimed at.

It must have cost a small fortune.
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« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2007, 11:02:12 AM »

If you want to see the REAL target audience of Arlington Park, pick up the latest copy of Chicago Social (CS) magazine (it's free, for all you cheap bastards)

They have a 50 page or so, color, glossy paper, special advertising section in the middle of the magazine. I don't have to tell you who THAT is aimed at.

It must have cost a small fortune.

Here's the demographics:

http://www.modernluxury.com/ml-web/cs-media-demographics.html

From my understanding, the target audience is yuppies?
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2007, 11:06:36 AM »

For those who don't want to visit the link, I'll provide some highlights of the characteristics of CS readers:

Uses professional landscaper: 92%
Purchase spa treatments: 86%
Spends more than $10,000 per year 
on new clothing or accessories: 61%

Maybe they'll buy a few Arlington Park hats.
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« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2007, 11:10:32 AM »

No, I believe the audience is rather further up the social scale than yuppies. This is the idle rich they are targeting.

Yuppies would pick it up just as a wish book.
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2007, 11:11:11 AM »

Kids at the track is how new racing fans are developed. They don't suddenly decide to start going to an OTB when they are 21.

This is exactly true and I can attest to it personally as I'm definitely one of the younger ones in this forum.  My family went to Arlington a few times for social events and a couple times to see a friend's horse run. Other than that there were no other forces on me to get in the horse racing game.  Years later I am a consistent weekend warrior.

If Arlington gets a few 12 year olds hooked to racing at Derbypalooza it is worth a lot more then getting a 50 year old man interested.  With all due respect to the older people on this forum, the kid has 60 years of wagering ahead of him while the 50 year old only has 30.  That is my take on it.
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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2007, 11:16:12 AM »

No, I believe the audience is rather further up the social scale than yuppies. This is the idle rich they are targeting.

Yuppies would pick it up just as a wish book.

Do they think these people are actually going to bet their millions? Doubtful. I guess I referred to them as yuppies because I didn't know what term is actually applied to this class.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2007, 11:22:35 AM »

Idle rich. The Paris Hilton crowd.

I think they are probably looking for Corporate sponsorship of some kind - either sponsor a race or have an event at the track.
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2007, 11:32:07 AM »

Moon:

Knowing (somewhat...well, at least a passing familiarity) your political views and your penchant for posting links to humorous websites, photos, etc., this is for you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/republican_part.html
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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2007, 11:58:16 AM »

Moon:

Knowing (somewhat...well, at least a passing familiarity) your political views and your penchant for posting links to humorous websites, photos, etc., this is for you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/republican_part.html

Careful what links you put here! Using something like The Atlantic as a source will get you labeled as a dirty pinko coward liberal.

You need to quote Truuuuck! Magazine, or Soldier of Fortune, or Seed Corn Review.
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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2007, 01:34:51 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2007, 06:32:24 PM »

Moon:

Knowing (somewhat...well, at least a passing familiarity) your political views and your penchant for posting links to humorous websites, photos, etc., this is for you:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/05/republican_part.html

Not a big fan of Andrew Sullivan. He seems to have seen the light, but he was part of the Bush war enabler crew for a long time, and it seems like he did it just for the money. (like most of the right wing blowhards)
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2007, 07:59:11 AM »

Not a big fan of Andrew Sullivan. He seems to have seen the light, but he was part of the Bush war enabler crew for a long time, and it seems like he did it just for the money. (like most of the right wing blowhards)

I don't know who he is. A friend sent me that link and I thought it was hilarious. I mean, not only do they think Satan has sent illegal immigrants to infiltrate the U.S., but they actually want to write Legislation to do something about it. Scary!
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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2007, 09:11:58 PM »

I've never been to Oaklawn, but I am sure it is a great place. However, if you are against making racing family friendly, then continue to watch your sport die a slow death. Many of us were introduced to racing at a young age, much like we were introduced to baseball, basketball, football. Ever been to Santa Anita and Gulfstream? They also promote their sport with family friendly entertainment, which not only boosts attendance but helps erase the negative stygma associated with the sport. Arlington has done a nice job of building a new fan base that will continue to pay dividends into the future as these "face painted" kids grow up. Question the purses and why two tracks owned by the same company can't figure out a way to share the quality horses available. Stop worrying about the people that are actually having fun at the track.
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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2007, 08:48:36 AM »

Oh, really. It strikes me that Vegas went straight downhill when they changed to "family friendly" and now they have switched back.

Should everybody bring their kids to Vegas and/or casinos so they grow up to be slots players?

Horse racing is ADULT entertainment. It's gambling.

Well, it's SUPPOSED to be anyway. At Arlington Park, apparently it isn't. They seem to be more interested in the admission charge than the gambling revenue.
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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2007, 10:45:41 AM »

Kids at the track is how new racing fans are developed. They don't suddenly decide to start going to an OTB when they are 21.

I think kids would be much more interested if Mom and/or Dad said "We're going to the track. You can't go. You aren't old enough."

Then, when they hit 21, they'll REALLY want to go to the track.

/It's not like Mom and/or Dad aren't going to go to the track. This way it's more of a forbidden pleasure to  kids.
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« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2007, 10:51:46 AM »

I think kids would be much more interested if Mom and/or Dad said "We're going to the track. You can't go. You aren't old enough."

Then, when they hit 21, they'll REALLY want to go to the track.

/It's not like Mom and/or Dad aren't going to go to the track. This way it's more of a forbidden pleasure to  kids.

Hah. Then when they're able to go, they'll develop a serious gambling problem. Which I suppose is good for people like me, who can take thier pari-mutuel funds. But the point is, alcoholism, improper drinking and an overall inability to drink responsibly is in some way causally related to the forbiddenness of alcohol. Granted, the French still die from cirrhosis (sp) at an alarming rate, and there are plenty of winos there, too, but the culture of alcohol is extraordinarily different (for the better, in my opinion) over there, and I think it has something to do with being exposed to it at an early age.
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2007, 10:55:22 AM »

I don't necessarily agree that racing makes new fans by bringing kids to the track.I would have to see some proof of that.I think more fans are made in any sport by going out with dad or friends and getting others involved.I think mothers take some of the pleasure out of it for dad and he passes it on that feelong to the kids.
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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2007, 10:56:40 AM »

I think kids would be much more interested if Mom and/or Dad said "We're going to the track. You can't go. You aren't old enough."

Then, when they hit 21, they'll REALLY want to go to the track.

/It's not like Mom and/or Dad aren't going to go to the track. This way it's more of a forbidden pleasure to  kids.

Moon,

You really are anti-kids. Horse tracks have ALWAYS been both a family outing and for hardened gamblers. There are different areas to go to in the track if you don't want to see the children. They are easy to find.

I really don't know why you are so against children, because for a man that is the age you profess to be - you are one of the most immature posters that I've ever seen on this site. I'm not trying to mean, or to be an ***hole, or to start an argument - I'm just stating a fact.
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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2007, 11:04:03 AM »

Also, Moon said something like "horse racing is adult entertainment. It's gambling." And a great deal of the appeal is from the gambling. But gambling isn't necessary to being a spectator at a horse race. In fact, on those rare moments when I can watch a race without _any_ trace of handicapping in my consciousness or unconscious, it's quite a remarkable experience--much different than watching a race with the intent of obtaining information valuable to handicapping, money on the line or not.
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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2007, 11:11:57 AM »

Moon,

You really are anti-kids. Horse tracks have ALWAYS been both a family outing and for hardened gamblers. There are different areas to go to in the track if you don't want to see the children. They are easy to find.

I really don't know why you are so against children, because for a man that is the age you profess to be - you are one of the most immature posters that I've ever seen on this site. I'm not trying to mean, or to be an ***hole, or to start an argument - I'm just stating a fact.

I like kids. I don't like kids at the track.

I don't like kids in Vegas.

I don't like kids in a bar.

I don't like kids in a nightclub.

I don't like kids at a concert.

I don't like kids at the opera.

There are adult ONLY things, and they should stay that way. Gambling is one of them.
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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2007, 11:14:07 AM »

Also, Moon said something like "horse racing is adult entertainment. It's gambling." And a great deal of the appeal is from the gambling. But gambling isn't necessary to being a spectator at a horse race. In fact, on those rare moments when I can watch a race without _any_ trace of handicapping in my consciousness or unconscious, it's quite a remarkable experience--much different than watching a race with the intent of obtaining information valuable to handicapping, money on the line or not.

"Why can't you all just watch the horses go around the track?"

That got one of the biggest laughs in "Let It Ride".

Let's be serious. Very few people go to the track to watch the horses run around. What is it, 2 minutes x 10 races for an afternoon that lasts 5-6 hours?
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2007, 11:26:17 AM »

There are dozens of official training tracks for botht-breds and harness around the country where there is NO gambling. They get several hundred people every day who come out for a nice breakfast or brunch and to watch the horses work-out, and they usually have short "mock" races.

Before my Dad died, he used to go to one of them that wasn't very far from his home in DeLand, Florida (close to Daytona). He loved going there and watching the majestic horses on the track.

There would be entire families, individuals, etc. They would stay for the entire time to just watch the horses jog, walk and or run.
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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2007, 11:31:37 AM »

That's GOOD. Let's send all the people who want to watch the horses run around the track THERE!

/Just a guess: MOST of those are there because they are watching their horses train.
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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2007, 12:27:51 PM »

Yesterday at Hollywood they had around 3500 on-track and wagered just over 1 million.
What is the betting/per head at AP, about $35  Cheesy
Maybe if they lower the legal  betting age to 6 that will help.
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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2007, 12:40:03 PM »

Anyone know which bathrooms the Diaper Changing Tables are in... I am bringing my three year old Saturday
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2007, 01:02:29 PM »

I don't necessarily agree that racing makes new fans by bringing kids to the track.I would have to see some proof of that.I think more fans are made in any sport by going out with dad or friends and getting others involved.

What is the difference between bringing kids to the track and going out with dad?
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2007, 01:42:09 PM »

Just wondering: In my experience at Arlington, I'm not sure I've ever really seen any kids actually handicapping races or studying between races. My impression is that of
1. Stroller kids too young to know anything
2. Kids in the park occupied with what's going on there
3. Myopic teenagers listening to music devices and bored to death.
4. Kids sitting in the center court area not really doing much of anything.

The picture of Dad or even Mom going over races together with their kids or explaining the tote board does not register. I'd be interested to hear your observations.
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2007, 01:47:03 PM »

CLOCKERTERRY,

Mother / wife is not along for the ride as Dad teaches his son about the finer things in life if it's going to the track or any other sporting event.Women,drinking,gambling sports etc Father and son share moments that are  different if mother is along for the ride.My dad being from the old country believed wrestling was real and we all know it isn't but I went along with him and enjoyed it.

Most guys will tell you they got hooked on some sport because of their dad.IMO
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2007, 01:54:29 PM »

Just wondering: In my experience at Arlington, I'm not sure I've ever really seen any kids actually handicapping races or studying between races. My impression is that of
1. Stroller kids too young to know anything
2. Kids in the park occupied with what's going on there
3. Myopic teenagers listening to music devices and bored to death.
4. Kids sitting in the center court area not really doing much of anything.

The picture of Dad or even Mom going over races together with their kids or explaining the tote board does not register. I'd be interested to hear your observations.

I agree. This pretty much somes up AP on Sundays
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2007, 01:59:36 PM »

But gambling isn't necessary to being a spectator at a horse race.

This is one of AP's problems. Too many people (mothers/kids/seniors) sitting around doing everthing else but betting. I'm not sure they even watch the races.
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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2007, 09:34:44 PM »

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Take is easy on bashing the kids.   My austic 8 year old even made a song about what happens on Sundays.   He sang it of the AP folks but it got cut because he would refer in the song about "swiping your card".   His song also mention the Junior Jockey Club.
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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2007, 07:49:59 AM »

a trip to arlington is a trip to the zoo, it is  a reflection of the way the women in the northwest suburbs dominate every aspect of life in suburbia there, and reflects on just how stoneless the men in that area are. they even control how the track is operated now, since time began a male dominted venue, now controled once agin by the mobs that just don't want to stay home and be loving parents, i guees its too difficult to be a mommy, easier to pretend you are a man.
Mother's Day at AP, is a great day. However, I do hope Mary Z. (trainer ?) takes a bath before her Rio Rose thing. As far as Liane Davis's Rio Rose, she definately deserves this. She has wonderful kids and her family is VERY hard working. She does a good job.
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2007, 08:02:47 AM »

This is one of AP's problems. Too many people (mothers/kids/seniors) sitting around doing everthing else but betting. I'm not sure they even watch the races.

Well, there's no chance of them betting at all if they aren't at the track to begin with. As long as they pay their admission, and buy some grossly overpriced admissions, and occasionally place a wager, they're paying customers.

Take it easy on the visitors, everyone. Have you ever been to a steeplechase? Tens of thousands of people all there for the sporting event and the socializing, with nary a legal wager in sight. Some people like to watch horse races, and some like to socialize. They have a right to the track same as you. Besides Mother's Day and Father's Day, the park is big enough for everyone.

OTOH, the redcoat brigade COULD occasionally say something to the parents whose little Biffette or Buffette is running wild, unsupervised. But for the most part, they're under control.
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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2007, 08:06:27 AM »

CLOCKERTERRY,

Mother / wife is not along for the ride as Dad teaches his son about the finer things in life if it's going to the track or any other sporting event.Women,drinking,gambling sports etc Father and son share moments that are  different if mother is along for the ride.My dad being from the old country believed wrestling was real and we all know it isn't but I went along with him and enjoyed it.

Most guys will tell you they got hooked on some sport because of their dad.IMO

Well, some families like to go all together, not just jr. and dad. All the time I see dads out there playing horses, with the bigger kids helping him place bets, while mom supervises the youngest varmints. Even the little kids carry around handfuls of losers playing bet.
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2007, 08:32:03 AM »

carrot
Take is easy on bashing the kids.   My austic 8 year old even made a song about what happens on Sundays.   He sang it of the AP folks but it got cut because he would refer in the song about "swiping your card".   His song also mention the Junior Jockey Club.
The next generation, good for your son. Austism is rough for a family to deal with, you should be very proud.
carrot
Take is easy on bashing the kids.   My austic 8 year old even made a song about what happens on Sundays.   He sang it of the AP folks but it got cut because he would refer in the song about "swiping your card".   His song also mention the Junior Jockey Club.
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